Shooting Audio Visual Analysis, Butler, PA

The aim of this thread is to help in the collaboration and analysis of the gunfire audio and video evidence at the Trump Rally on 13/7/24.



Those controlling the investigation are on the suspect list. it is going to take time to go through the case and do what they do. With how things are going so far, prepare for a long game. How much of a difference is the election going to make? Hopefully any results and conclusions found here are consistent when the FBI eventually do make a statement about it.

A lot of cameras at that event it do provide an opportunity to triangulate the different audio recording locations. The millisecond changes in the gunfire shots when knowing the audio location can define where the shots came from. The more audio locations to work with, the more accurate the results get. The FBI is grabbing a lot of it up. With the way social media is there will still be some still out there, maybe some archives will turn up somewhere?

Brighteon Broadcast News, July 14, 2024 - EMERGENCY BRIGHTEON ALERT: Trump shot at rally, rifle round pierces ear, full forensic audio analysis confirms shooting was REAL

An initial audio analysis by Mike Adams start at 4:40 and goes to about 14:40 in the video link above. In this link he examines the sound emitted by the first three bullets as it leaves the gun and travels through the air to its target. From this he estimated about 400 yards from Trump to the shooter. Next is some rapid gun fire that does make it more difficult to distinguish, will take a more work.



This composition was put together by www.pointconsciousness.com the website is currently offline? It depicts 3 bullets in quick successions, one hits trump ear, the other 2 narrowly miss. Was this created with all the different recordings of the event? How will the event look when a larger picture is compiled using this method?

Link

The video in this link shows two people getting hit on the stage from a bullet.

a reply to: kwaka

That "Link" is a POS with inappropriate music and graphics added while people are suffering. #ing idiots.

How (in the video), can they announce Trump as the next president, when he hasn't won yet..... is this considered telling a lie.

Also that bandage looks really heavy, the way he holds his head it looks super heavy, or does he always hold his head like that, I try not to look at him too much. Ps not a Biden or Trump fan, personally, very much dislike them both.

a reply to: charlyv

That "Link" is a POS with inappropriate music and graphics added while people are suffering. #ing idiots.

That video has been taken down. I did have some questions about it. It did highlight some things to look for with where the bullets went. The video also had the crowd behind Trump as the gunfire took place.

Not a lot has been released yet of where exactly the injuries occurred and how this lines up with the shooters position. It is not my intention to focus on the suffering. As part of doing a gunfire analysis there will be some suffering involved. It is my intention to avoid a greater national suffering by verifying the facts of this case.

With the nature of the internet and media these days, I do not expect every source to be 100% accurate in everything that is shared and communicated. Mistakes are made, intentional and unintentional. With enough sources and a strong body of evidence it does help when sorting out the facts from the fiction.

The dead link above demonstrates the information challenges going on these days. On past threads, links fade away over the months and years. Some topics more than others. To start, here is a list of the current threads going on around the Trump shooting incident.

This is the first and main thread going on about this incident:

Shots Fired At Trump Rally Trump Looks Wounded


The other ATS threads so far:

Show Me The Ear

what does "the best of the best" look like?

Sacrifice and Death for Liberty and Freedom in Pictures

What do people in Russia think about the assassination attempt on Trump?

Was the Trump assassination attempt a set up?

The Donald Trump False Flag Assassination Attempt

Why did law enforcement ignore videos and reports of a shooter on the roof 7/13/2024

Let's Talk About a Possible Shooter on the Water Tower

Three witness.... shooter on water tower

Trump stock shorted day before assassination attempt

Trump stock shorted before attempt

WHY DID HE MISS???

Should We Trust the FBI to Properly Investigate the 7.13.24 Assassination Attempt of Donald J. Trump

A closer look at Trump's shooter: Thomas Matthew Crooks

what made the crazy kid do crazy kid things?

Trump Shooter Had 3 Encrypted Foreign Accounts Linked to Ukraine and Iran

Suspect #1: Thomas Matthew Crooks. Further referred to as the Kid. 20 years old.















Question: Why is the Kid not in a position on the roof to have Trump in his sights while keeping a low profile?



To help get familiar with the area, the following is a link to the google street view.. It is a big complex and need to go around the block to get closer to the Kids location:

American Glass Research Street Side View

originally posted by: kwaka
Suspect #1: Thomas Matthew Crooks. Further referred to as the Kid. 20 years old.

Question: Why is the Kid not in a position on the roof to have Trump in his sights while keeping a low profile?

To help get familiar with the area, the following is a link to the google street view.. It is a big complex and need to go around the block to get closer to the Kids location:

American Glass Research Street Side View

Yet? The photos from the ground could picture the shooter? Hmm

The shooter was at the apex of the roof with Trump at 150 yards away on a stage where Trump standing over 6 feet tall. Trump was in the target window of Thomas Matthew Crooks. The sources saying otherwise are blatantly wrong. Willfully lying.

originally posted by: kwaka

Question: Why is the Kid not in a position on the roof to have Trump in his sights while keeping a low profile?

abcnews.go.com...



The stage looks to be at least 4 feet off the ground. So placing Trump’s head who stands six feet tall at least 10 feet above the ground.

Your assumption is wrong. Not because I need it to be wrong if you’re going to go into some rant. Because you listened to some talking head with no actual care for the actual structures involved.

a reply to: kwaka

Funny you didn’t provide this perspective of the area???? Hmmm


apnews.com...

Some more current ATS threads about the situation:

Has anyone looked at the angles for the shooter

Interesting perspective from a Navy Seal Sniper

Veteran with Longest Confirmed Sniper Kill Has Theory About Trump Assassination Attempt

Butler Township Manager Tom Knights says his officers are not to blame

House Oversight Committee Chairman Comer Subpoenas Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle

GOP Senators Angrily Confront Secret Service Director At RNC

Cheatle is a Loose End...Keep Her Safe

Donald

Corey Comperatore Shannen Doherty Richard Simmons

a reply to: kwaka

Running away from the fact you are wrong about “ Why is the Kid not in a position on the roof to have Trump in his sights while keeping a low profile?”

So? Now your just spamming your own threat with what seems more like a ploy to create foot traffic for specific links? I’ll pass.

To acknowledge and pay respects to the 6 gun fire victims so far.

Corey Comperatore. Age 50. Father of two. Firefighter. Died protecting his family.



David Dutch. Age 57. Marine veteran, Worked at Siemens. Damage to his liver and broken ribs in the shooting.

James Copenhaver. Age 74. Grandfather. Retired. Life altering injuries. Critical and stable.

Donald Trump, Age 78. Grandfather. President candidate. Damage to right ear.

Nephew of Rep. Ronny Jackson, R-Texas. Identity unknown. Minor grazing damage to neck, received treatment.

The Kid, Age 20. Died on the roof. Damage to head.

USA Today source

BBC source

New audio forensic analysis reveals at least THREE SHOOTERS at Trump campaign event

This 45min video by Mike Adams is a preliminary audio analysis of the gun fire taken by Fox News. The location of this recording is the microphone Trump was using. Mike does acknowledge that more expert analysis is required. He does present a good start and tutorial on what to look for and how to measure gun shot audio.

The first sound is a snap as the sonic boom from bullet passes the microphone, traveling faster than the speed of sound. The second sound is a bang as the firing noise of the bullet catches up to the microphone later, traveling at the speed of sound. The time it takes between the snap and bang does help define how far away the shot came from. There are other factors to account for a more accurate reading, does make a good start.

Conclusions:
- Examines 7 gun shots.
- First 5 rounds at a distance of 400-450 ft.
- 6th round 600-700 ft
- 7th round 1100-1500 ft



This 32 min video by Chris Martenson is also a preliminary audio analysis. He did have trouble trying to separate the short burst of gunfire from Trumps location. To overcome this difficulty he got some audio from the location near the buildings with clearer results.

Conclusions:
- Identifies 10 gun shots.
- First 3 shots came from inside the building. Further away than the next 5-7 rounds.
- Shots 4, 5, 7, 8 come from the Kid outside, on the roof the building.
- Shots 6, 9 came from a distance 80 -100 ft further than the Kid's location.
- Shot 10 need more analysis. A more distant shot. Possible this shot hit the Kid around the left eyebrow region.
- At least 2-3 shooters at Trump.

a reply to: kwaka

From just audio, how do you determine what is echos and not. Why not use a silencer if there was a second shooter, which would be an obvious choice.

How the barn top counter snipers behind Trump fit in is causing a lot of problem with the censorship that is going on. Two of the first counter sniper videos on the main Trump shooting thread have already been deleted.

Page 22

Page 25

With these videos that have been deleted, they did include the audio of all the gun fire that did take place. As the gunfire starts, the counter sniper looks over the top of his rifle first. He then gets back into a firing position, slightly readjusts his aim and fires. The gun does produce a kick, knocking the counter sniper back and throwing off his aim for another shot. The response by the counter sniper was still quick, returning fire after the three first shots, during the sequence of rapid gun fire with the next 4-9 shots. The larger caliber rifle of the counter sniper made this shot more distinctive.

With the audio analysis done by Chris Martenson, the counter sniper shot fits in better with shot 6 or 9. Both timing and sound are consistent with recollections of the videos deleted. With two counter sniper teams behind Trump, did they both fire one round each to account for shot 6 and 9 as they do have a similar sound print and location?

One counter sniper video that remains so far is on page 28, X link

In this video the sniper shots the Kid the moment the first bullet is heard, implying the second shot came from the counter sniper. This is not consistent with the audio tracks analyzed so far.. This video was made for tv to give the appearance of fast reflexes by the counter sniper.

Counter Snipers Possibly Spot Would-be Assassin

The video in this link presents a similar timing of events, better quality. With the level of inconsistencies emerging so far more analysis is required. The possibility that large scale censorship, narrative shaping and information warfare is going on is one to be aware of.



To add further mystery to an already troubling situation, the red line in the image above shows the line of sight from the counter sniper on the barn to the location of the Kid on the roof. There is a large tree in the way that would of hindered spotting and shooting.

a reply to: kwaka

Asked you a question. Why is it you guys always think there is more than one shooter that “they” want to hide, go to great trouble to supposedly conceal that fact, but never put forth the effort to get the supposed 2nd and 3rd shooters silencers?

AR rifle used in Trump shooting from company with winding history, campaign visit

www.usatoday.com...


It has an average muzzle velocity around 2,800 feet per second — nearly three times the speed of sound, so bullets flying nearby sound like snaps or miniature sonic booms.


The rifles are roughly 32 inches long, including the stock, and weigh about 6.8 pounds. Most weapons in this line are replicas of the Army’s M4 in semi-automatic form. They’re all lightweight, gas-operated, air-cooled and magazine-fed weapons.

With just audio, how do you pick out actual shots vs “echoes”?

This video is done by AItelly. A channel that is is involved with the Military Industrial Complex with the history of videos they have been producing across many military themes.





These two videos are dome by Azget Industries. A small, independent company with a history in videos about criminal cases.

Both these presentations do have elements that are correct. Overall, more work is still required to build a complete and accurate picture of the events that did take place.

a reply to: Lazy88

With just audio, how do you pick out actual shots vs “echoes”?

To do it right does take skill, experience and knowledge. Crew men that work with sonar do it a lot. Do need to account for the shape of the solid surfaces around.

As a starting point for finding an echo, it will have the same audio print as the original sound. It will be delayed by the time it takes for the sound wave to bounce off another object and pass by the listening position again.

The echo will be at a reduced volume as the energy of the sound wave reduces the further it has to travel.