Why did law enforcement ignore videos and reports of a shooter on the roof 7/13/2024

There are phone camera videos of people reporting to the police and sheriffs, a man on the roof.

A policeman went up to the roof, saw the shooter who turned toward him and got off the roof.

There are multiple phone cameras that caught people trying to tell the law enforcement that there was a man on the roof with a rifle, over a minute before the shooting occurred.

There is evidence Crooks was reported to law enforcement as behaving suspiciously and they did nothing.

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What was the response?

Nothing, NADA

The Secret Service head said in an interview, the roof was too "steep" to put an officer on that roof and so they decided not to.

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Sadly, law enforcement, it appears, allowed the shooter to remain on the roof.

Do you think I'm wrong, please do post as to why you think I'm wrong.

I put this under conspiracy theories, because this will clearly become one.

Stay civil please, don't incite more violence, please respond calmly without pointing at any particular person. We can not ignore this evidence, but neither should we incite more violence.

Please discuss this as if you were discussing the weirdness around the JFK assassination.

Thanks.

I can only surmise that since they had their own snipers on some roofs they may have been confused as to whether the shooter was one of their own or not?

a reply to: quintessentone

Perhaps, except he was wearing a gray sweatsuit, had scraggly long hair and was not wearing a uniform.

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: quintessentone

Perhaps, except he was wearing a gray sweatsuit, not a uniform.

Well Biden ordered a full investigation as to the SS failures, so we will find out soon enough.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Is a darn shame, more and more videos are showing how the man was spotted from the time he was climbing the roof, is just incredible.

a reply to: quintessentone

I think we need an independent investigation outside of the agencies that failed so miserably, and outside of those who are responsible for those agencies.

Otherwise it will end up like the JFK investigation.

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: quintessentone

I think we need an independent investigation outside of the agencies that failed so miserably, and outside of those who are responsible for those agencies.

Otherwise it will end up like the JFK investigation.

I believe the investigation will be independent, anyone know for sure? It is what was reported on the news.

SECRET SERVICE HAD FULL KNOWLEDGE OF TRUMP ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT - MORE INSIGHT INTO THIS

The last part of this video puts together a timeline of events from many different video angles. The shooter was on the roof for at least two minutes before shooting. Don't know exactly when he first got on the roof, some time before that.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: quintessentone

Perhaps, except he was wearing a gray sweatsuit, not a uniform.

Well Biden ordered a full investigation as to the SS failures, so we will find out soon enough.

Oh I'm sure that will help. 😂

Lol, you're a riot. 😂 😂 😂 😂

originally posted by: Wookiep

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: TheSingleBillie
a reply to: quintessentone

Perhaps, except he was wearing a gray sweatsuit, not a uniform.

Well Biden ordered a full investigation as to the SS failures, so we will find out soon enough.

Oh I'm sure that will help. 😂

Lol, you're a riot. 😂 😂 😂 😂

Conspiracy theories don't cut the mustard.

a reply to: quintessentone

Unfortunately, many conspiracy theories turn out in the end to be true.

So we can't discount any theory at this point.

We need evidence, not collected by the people who have publicly said Trump was a danger to the US. Also, not by Homeland Security or the DOJ because all the failures are from agencies directly overseen by the DOJ and Homeland Security.

I'd suggest a congressional bipartisan (equal numbers on each side) commission, with Congresspeople and Senators combined, with each political side hiring independent agencies, outside the government to do the investigation, with full cooperation required by the DOJ, Homeland Security, FBI, Secret Service, and even the CIA.

That may be the only way not to end up like the JFK investigation.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

I agree with you on this one.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

Did he bring his own ladder to get on the roof?

Or was it just left there for people to use as they wish?

How does he just walk around with a rifle strapped to his
shoulder and then climb a ladder up fifty feet to a roof top
as if he's invisible?

A roof top mind you he couldn't of known had no sniper perch
waiting for him? Or did he? When there should've been one even.

But it's not what we know, or what we can figure out, or
even believe when we are given answers. It's what we can prove.
And if anyone can some how manage that without committing
suicide. Then maybe they should be the next President.

a reply to: Astrocometus

That is the biggest and most important question of all, who put that ladder there for the shooter to climb, other thing, the building that the shooter climbed was used as a stage place for the local police, this is the news now, then they did not even check their own surroundings?

Found this comment right now in a german newspaper, unfortunately without any links, will have to search them now:

"According to reports in the New York Post, snipers were posted in the building from whose roof assassin Thomas Crooks opened fire on Donald Trump on Saturday (local time). The factory building of AGR International Inc, is said to have been used as a “lookout post” - to search for threats.

According to the Post, the assassin, who killed one person and injured several, was able to climb onto the roof of the building unhindered while the police were inside. In addition, law enforcement sources said the house had been secured by police officers before the event.

The local sniper team had not climbed onto the roof for the event because, according to the Post, they may have been concerned that they would interfere with the Secret Service snipers - a hair-raising explanation given how the attack unfolded.

But that's not all: shortly before the New York Post revealed this information, the newspaper WPXI had also published shocking information: the assassin is said to have been spotted on the building 26 minutes before the shots were fired at Trump. A police officer from the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit is even said to have taken a photo of Crooks - before he pulled the trigger."

originally posted by: quintessentone
I can only surmise that since they had their own snipers on some roofs they may have been confused as to whether the shooter was one of their own or not?

Heads need to roll, there’s so many failures here …at the very least. That scenario you just surmised would have so many failures by multiple people, not just one.

The failure falls squarely on the team leader of the security detail. I and others here have experience with personal/event security and, speaking from my view, this was a fustercluck from the start. It's been many a moon since I've participated in a such a detail but there are general protocols that MUST be adhered to so let's start breaking issues down:

HVA/HVT (high value asset/target) protection will usually involve a 10-20 person detail (main agents) and 100-200 ancillary personnel (local leos and event security).

This was not conducted in a dense urban environment. The area was widely open with just a few buildings in the immediate vicinity . All buildings within 1000m should have been swept with roof access points secured (locked/chained/welded).

Counter snipers work in teams for multiple reasons:
1. 2 pairs of eyes cover more area that 1.
2. Double verification of questionable situations.
3. If all the snipers are paired, a single elevated shooter is a definite threat.

The rules of engagement SHOULD HAVE allowed for the elimination of an imminent without multi-level approval of said engagement.

From a security standpoint, it is better to err on the side of caution to protect the asset and deal with any repercussions during post action than lose an asset.

So ultimately, imho, the detail leader needs to be chaired and made to answer for the failings of that day and all branches of incompetence from that point up permanently relieved of duty.

Well, the excuse that the roof was too steep, is complete BS.

If you look at the roof the shooter was on, and then the one that had TWO snipers on it, the pitch is much steeper on the "official" snipers.
And why in the world were there 2 on one roof? They knew there was a line of site issue, with the trees?

And can anyone find a picture of the shooter, where you can see his glasses?

originally posted by: Kaiju666

originally posted by: quintessentone
I can only surmise that since they had their own snipers on some roofs they may have been confused as to whether the shooter was one of their own or not?

Heads need to roll, there’s so many failures here …at the very least. That scenario you just surmised would have so many failures by multiple people, not just one.

They had better find out where the failures were and fix it because if the political rhetoric from both sides is not controlled then this won't be the last violent act.

a reply to: TheSingleBillie

I think a good question to ask is could any LEO who was working security there have the option to pick up a radio and say, "shooter on the roof", which should have triggered SS to dive on Trump and move him out of the area. Perhaps things weren't set up for that, and if so, why? I'm an out of shape computer guy, and shouldn't be seeing faults in security from people who do security for a living.