Veteran with Longest Confirmed Sniper Kill Has Theory About Trump Assassination Attempt

originally posted by: fringeofthefringe

Crooks got lucky he got as close as he did.

a reply to: putnam6
I would respectfull disagree, he wasn't lucky....he had help. No way this could happen without help. That is my opinion. I could go on and on but simply put no way that, as you correcly stated, dumbass 20 year old could have just climbed the latter onto the closest roof with the best available sniper shot to Trump when the deep state, we know this, would do anything to prevent Trump from being reelected. I just cannot believe this was a "lucky" happenstance.

Now. That I agree with.

I keep seeing people saying he's a bad shot when it's confirmed had Trump not turned just right, at just the right time, he'd be dead. The shooter's aim was perfect, it was just bad luck on his part. By all accounts that shot was right on target, and by all rights, Trump should be dead with such a shot. The, he's a bad shot narrative just doesn't make sense, at least one of his shots was right on target. You can't get much closer and still miss. It's just a weird narrative I keep seeing, so figured I'd give my take in hopes we can stop saying weird things that make no sense.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: putnam6

For 175 yards yes it would...

Where did you see this I assumed he had a scope

Where did you assume that I assumed you said he had a scope? 135 years is still a good distance with iron sights. Easy with a scope, but a very small target with irons.

are you saying Crooks used iron sights? if so obviously its even more difficult of a shot.

Hell I haven't even seen a good picture of what rig he had, I was assuming he had a scope of some sort, if not he was even luckier

Not really. Your exaggerating.

Now who is gaslighting?

Ultimately for now we will have to agree to disagree

Is that still OK here on Above Top Secret or do we all need to think and act alike, regardless of our life experiences?

FWIW I respect your opinion, I'm not saying suggesting or inferring the shot was impossible for Crooks only that in my estimation from what is known so far he got lucky AF.

Hell, we don't know if it was an actual intact bullet that hit Trump it could have been shrapnel from a miss.

too many variables to make definitive statements in my book

but if we are going to argue the whole day I might need to clear my schedule, I'd rather not as Im questioning the whole he did it alone narrative thats likely to be coming down the pike soon.

Respectfully

I'd much rather hear your thoughts on this...

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a reply to: Aardwolfington

TO MY MIND: the predator TMC sighted & pulled trigger with DJT's right side temple in crosshairs ---the target at the same instant turned his head...and hence the ear hit that was not fatal to DJT...

I hope no 13th plots arise in DJT future

a reply to: network dude

From what I saw/heard was 2 from 5 head...7 from someone closer than the sniper to the camera I still don't know who did that...and 2 by the counter sniper whoch double tapped 5 heads...well...

a reply to: Lazy88

He was apparently a motivated individual that had experience and range time with a weapon that is made to learn with minimum effort to shoot targets out to 300 to 500 yards reliably with iron / peep sights.

At 300-500 yards a human target is about the size of the front post.

Can it be done? Sure. Minimal effort for a 20 year old to learn and do consistently, then take a shot with a racing heart with no military training (or life long country boy) Big doubt.

originally posted by: Aardwolfington
I keep seeing people saying he's a bad shot when it's confirmed had Trump not turned just right, at just the right time, he'd be dead. The shooter's aim was perfect, it was just bad luck on his part. By all accounts that shot was right on target, and by all rights, Trump should be dead with such a shot. The, he's a bad shot narrative just doesn't make sense, at least one of his shots was right on target. You can't get much closer and still miss. It's just a weird narrative I keep seeing, so figured I'd give my take in hopes we can stop saying weird things that make no sense.

I think he had help from some very knowledgeable and powerful people to have the ability and time to get to where he did and to have the time to shoot that he did.

We keep hearing about him getting lucky with the shot.

I believe we hear that for 2 reasons.
1. To keep those who helped him out of the spotlight.
2. More importantly, we are in a battle, which is not only physical, but spiritual. It is a true miracle that Trump turned his head when he did. I think saying the kid was good and God intervened is scarier to them than saying the kid almost got lucky.

FWIW, I took a GF out shooting once. After an hour, this girl of 22, could do 10 out of 10 in the target at 150y with a long rifle.

I often shot with no scope...not sniper distance, but between 100 and 200 yards. The idea being, in the heat of self defense, you don't have time to use your scope....learn the weapon.

Actually it’s 139 yards according to what Google Earth has to say.

Full disclosure. I am a firearms instructor, and I teach long distance rifle training, as one of my various jobs.

An AR15, with a 1x6 or 1x8 optic, with a bench zero of 1MOA in the hands of a trained marksman can get you sub MOA results. Meaning that at 150 yards, with proper ammunition, you could shoot a group smaller than 1”. It can be done, I myself have done it. It’s not that hard if you are trained.

A properly bench zeroed rifle, in the hands of even a casual shooter. Can get you 1 MOA, or sub MOA shot placement with simply breathing the right way.

With that being said, I have an entirely different theory and this is why the ear wound is so important.

A trained sniper likes the ear for one particular reason. The Amygdala of the brain. The Apricot. Punch that and its lights out. This is where I am going to go off into the weeds.

I would bet money, that if you were to take the recovered bullets, if there were any left, and compare them by the tell tale marks on the bullets themselves, that one of those bullets came from a different rifle.

Because I believe that there were two shooters. The Patsy, and the guy who was trained. Trump was standing at the podium. The first shot is taken by the would be Oswald. The second shot that was super quick to follow up, was taken by the Actual assassin, which when Trump turned his head, hit the ear.

Then there were the follow up shots by Oswald wannabe.

I do not believe for one moment that this was a ONE man operation.

When these events are planned, secret service and law enforcement regardless of manpower scouts these sights looking for places a moron with a gun can shoot someone. The kid in question could have simply shot up the venue, and it would still have been one of the things the secret service looks for. Then there’s the whole “Standing down until fired upon.”

Sorry, but that only applies to the battlefield or If you are under orders to. You had a secret service agent cap a car jacket who was guarding a Supreme Court justice. Imagine their directives on protecting politicians. There is no way that kid could spend 10 to 20 minutes getting into position, with a rifle, while being reported by bystanders, and be left alone. On top of that you had secret service snipers FACING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE SHOOTER. They knew where the shots were coming from.

It is only blind luck that Trump turned his head, and that he reacted. Thank God for that. a reply to: putnam6

a reply to: theatreboy

Agree completely. We need to hear more about any possible stand down orders from SS, and verify if the counter sniper was a local cop or SS. There is some stuff about a cop who supposedly got fired for disobeying a stand down order, and saying he had the guy in his sights for 3 minutes. Unverified as it’s from Tik Tok but obviously cannot trust MSM right now.

originally posted by: Unseendimension
Actually it’s 139 yards according to what Google Earth has to say.

Full disclosure. I am a firearms instructor, and I teach long distance rifle training, as one of my various jobs.

An AR15, with a 1x6 or 1x8 optic, with a bench zero of 1MOA in the hands of a trained marksman can get you sub MOA results. Meaning that at 150 yards, with proper ammunition, you could shoot a group smaller than 1”. It can be done, I myself have done it. It’s not that hard if you are trained.

A properly bench zeroed rifle, in the hands of even a casual shooter. Can get you 1 MOA, or sub MOA shot placement with simply breathing the right way.

With that being said, I have an entirely different theory and this is why the ear wound is so important.

A trained sniper likes the ear for one particular reason. The Amygdala of the brain. The Apricot. Punch that and its lights out. This is where I am going to go off into the weeds.

I would bet money, that if you were to take the recovered bullets, if there were any left, and compare them by the tell tale marks on the bullets themselves, that one of those bullets came from a different rifle.

Because I believe that there were two shooters. The Patsy, and the guy who was trained. Trump was standing at the podium. The first shot is taken by the would be Oswald. The second shot that was super quick to follow up, was taken by the Actual assassin, which when Trump turned his head, hit the ear.

Then there were the follow up shots by Oswald wannabe.

I do not believe for one moment that this was a ONE man operation.

When these events are planned, secret service and law enforcement regardless of manpower scouts these sights looking for places a moron with a gun can shoot someone. The kid in question could have simply shot up the venue, and it would still have been one of the things the secret service looks for. Then there’s the whole “Standing down until fired upon.”

Sorry, but that only applies to the battlefield or If you are under orders to. You had a secret service agent cap a car jacket who was guarding a Supreme Court justice. Imagine their directives on protecting politicians. There is no way that kid could spend 10 to 20 minutes getting into position, with a rifle, while being reported by bystanders, and be left alone. On top of that you had secret service snipers FACING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE SHOOTER. They knew where the shots were coming from.

It is only blind luck that Trump turned his head, and that he reacted. Thank God for that. a reply to: putnam6

Yes I agree I think he had help

So what do we need to determine there were two shooters?

One would assume he had a full magazine, and one would assume sooner or later we will know how many shots the counter-sniper teams took

But mostly can the shot that hit Trump be traced back to Crooks's location with enough accuracy?

Do we even have any of the rounds or even fragments of rounds that are the same as what Crooks fired?


Supposedly a semi-accurate diagram...




But what the BBC says is different FWIW

a reply to: putnam6

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Sorry. Anyone with decent motor skills, with a day at the range, with a decent AR, with peep sights, and ammo with only a 5 inch drop at 200 yards should be able to consistently hit a waste up silhouette target by aiming at center mass.

All military battle rifles and many “Dangerous Game Guns” have been fitted with peep sights for at least the last 70 years. There is a good reason for this. They are the fastest and most accurate iron sight you can put on your rifle.


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Luckly, you guys are gas lighting about a guy that miss Trump with their first shot. And only nicked him second shot.

a reply to: Lazy88

I’m not gaslighting, nor am I saying it’s not possible.

What I said is a normal 20 year old with minimal training wouldn’t be able to consistently do irons for 3-5 football fields as you said.

His shot was closer and I believe he had a scope. But I still think that’s not an easy shot for a 20 year old even with a bit of training.

People can have nerves for their first shot hunting animals. Trained soldiers can have nerves with their first shot against an enemy.

A 20 year old could certainly have nerves with an assassination attempt and a scope.

Granted, we now know it was the turn of the head that likely made this a miss.

But I do disagree with the premise we could just take most kids and have them use irons consistently at range after a couple of days.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lazy88

He was apparently a motivated individual that had experience and range time with a weapon that is made to learn with minimum effort to shoot targets out to 300 to 500 yards reliably with iron / peep sights.

At 300-500 yards a human target is about the size of the front post.

Can it be done? Sure. Minimal effort for a 20 year old to learn and do consistently, then take a shot with a racing heart with no military training (or life long country boy) Big doubt.

It’s been a while. But I don’t remember the waste up silhouette target at 200 yards having the relative size of the front post. Not even at 300 yards. I remember the sight window and the front post always being slimmer than the silhouette and the two being very distinguishable from each other.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: putnam6

We are a long way from your original statement. He was apparently a motivated individual that had experience and range time with a weapon that is made to learn with minimum effort to shoot targets out to 300 to 500 yards reliably with iron / peep sights. Where if the individual was properly trained, he would have been aiming for the chest.

Added. You really don’t have a valid argument. Just gas lighting.

So many assumptions and plain wrong. Doubtful the guy was familiar with the AR platform since they are evil black guns and unlikely to be used in a school shooting team! Do you really see a marksmanship team at a school using a rifle that the media vilified as the AR? Second off if the he didn't adjust his sights prior to taking the shot he would be off from his aim. After climbing up a building carrying it (?) You would have to adjust the sights from just banging around! And no the AR is not accurate at those ranges. The accuracy drops considerably at those ranges, the AR is for closer.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Lazy88


A 20 year old could certainly have nerves with an assassination attempt and a scope.

Kids in gangs kill others kids in gangs almost every day. With very little or no training. And this kid was motivated.

Here's a nice representation of Crooks's vantage point supposedly, it represents why sniper team one might not have had a clear shot

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Google Maps view from the parking lot with the building immediately to the right FWIW





Ladder set up on connection between buildings, looks like he was 35-45 feet from the edge and on the ridgeline

originally posted by: hangedman13

You would have to adjust the sights from just banging around! .

In boot camp. Adjusted the sights when you first get your rifle. Never touched them again. Qualified at the different ranges with no problem over the weeks. With all the movement and chaos of boot camp. Good ammo has a minimum drop at 300 yards. Maybe a drop of 5 inches at 200 yards. The reason you aim center mass, the chest, makes the bullet drop negligible.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Xtrozero

I just think 4 shots under max pressure and two were that close, one close enough to hit was either lucky (like winning the lottery lucky) or skill acquired through training. Maybe I'm wrong and anyone could do it. But it seems suspect.

Most likely first one was close, then it got crazy. The sniper shot him within a second after the first shot

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Xtrozero

I just think 4 shots under max pressure and two were that close, one close enough to hit was either lucky (like winning the lottery lucky) or skill acquired through training. Maybe I'm wrong and anyone could do it. But it seems suspect.

It was shown to my basic training outfit that if you can pull the trigger without making the barrel move you had a much better chance of getting it in the bullseye but we had various silhouettes to practice from at a distance with city boys shooting and we all figured it out pretty good. In fact if that fricken' 50 Meter target wasn't swiss cheese looking, then a lot more would have qualified expert. 300 meter target I caught on fast about the tumble, but when we discussed the situation, "Kentucky Windage" was the word we used back then. No tripods for sniper quality shots either. We had to shoot as the target passed thru the iron site.

originally posted by: putnam6
Respectfully at 175 yards man-sized target is tiny, it would be a miracle for an untrained shooter to come close

Well ... he was an untrained shooter and he came close.
Within 2 millimeters of blowing out Trumps brains.