Hey Lefties, can we talk about this yet?

originally posted by: Annee
Still the best prevention of no more unwanted children is not to have one.

The best prevention of no more unwanted children is to NOT GET PREGNANT.
By killing the baby, you are not 'preventing an unwanted child'.
That child is already here.
It's just that he/she doesn't have a voice to scream out that he/she doesn't want to die.
Killing him doesn't prevent him from coming into being. HE ALREADY EXISTS.
Killing him just kills him ...
A selfish moral failure by the mother.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee
Why not?

Abortion shouldn't be used as birth control because it's slaughter of unborn children.

It is prevention of another unwanted child.

What do you do for those unwanted or uncared for children already living?

If I told you I took one of those unwanted babies and raised it, would it matter?

Good for you.

Still the best prevention of no more unwanted children is not to have one.

My stance on this is identical to Wakupbeer. But other than someone who gets off on killing, I can't fathom why someone would be all for abortion, but not want to talk about birth control. Why not advocate for not putting yourself in the position of needing an abortion if you aren't ready for a kid?

The process is pretty much accepted. The question can be asked before the pants hit the floor. "do you want kids? If not, then use protection, or wait until you do.". There are millions of people who were able to navigate the world in this way. What deficiency causes the women you champion to not be able to understand the basics?

originally posted by: network dude
What deficiency causes the women you champion to not be able to understand the basics?

Annee proudly proclaims that she killed her child via abortion. So she wants everyone to do the same so she can justify her actions and feel good about herself and the fact that she stopped her own childs heart from beating and killed him.

a reply to: FlyersFan

How dare you assume the gender of that fetus!

a reply to: Annee

Your argument for abortion being a contraceptive is.....-checks notes- that unwanted children should never have been born to begin with?

You're the definition of evil

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Annee

Your argument for abortion being a contraceptive is.....-checks notes- that unwanted children should never have been born to begin with?

You're the definition of evil

Evil is a religious term

As long as you pump ‘em out — it’ll be all Rainbows & Sunshine.

a reply to: Annee

The whole "God" thing is kind of funny. If he's really there, he doesn't require you to believe he is, for him to actually be there. But, if you die, and find out he is there, and you were wrong, you have to come up with some answers pretty fast. Might want to rehearse some before time. Take a week and go to Camp David maybe.

originally posted by: Annee
Evil is a religious term

Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. Either way .. thinking the slaughter of unborn children is acceptable as birth control is evil. That is a moral failure. EVIL. And just because you stick your head in the sand and don't want to believe that evil things exist, doesn't change the fact that they do.

The dictionary definition of evil -

adjective

- Morally bad or wrong; wicked.
"an evil tyrant."

- Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.
"the evil effects of a poor diet."

- Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous.
"evil omens."

originally posted by: Annee
Evil is a religious term

What's a good secular word for that which is negative to the extreme?

But I doubt every usage of the word evil has religious connotations or context.

a reply to: Annee

And your point is....what? Are we going to have the conversation about moral relativism?

Words have meaning, and words have connotations. Pick 1000 people out in public from around the world and ask them what evil means and I'll bet serious money that they'll all return mostly similar responses to one another. Someone who does terrible things, believes terrible things, promotes terrible things, wants terrible things.

You say you care about alive children, but then you talk about what to do with all the unwanted children in the middle of your foaming at the mouth advocation for unrestricted abortion access and your support for abortion as a contraceptive as though those unwanted children would be better off dead. You don't care about alive children. You care about abortion. Your stance has absolutely nothing to do with saving or protecting or caring about living children. If it did, you'd care about the alive child in the womb.

You are the definition of evil, simple as that.

a reply to: MrGashler

Hey! Gotta pump out the kid.

That’s The only thing that matters.

Then you can have a clear conscience and tell everyone you went through the whole process.

As you walk away.

a reply to: Annee

Yes.
The child being alive is better than being dead.
I was unaware that this was a novel position to take.
Why are you so in favor of dead children?

originally posted by: MrGashler
Why are you so in favor of dead children?

Like I said .... She's wanting everyone to slaughter their children so that she can blend in with everyone else because she killed her own child in the womb. If everyone does it, then she can pretend she's just one of the crowd and that since everyone does it then the murder she committed must not be the moral failure that it really is. She failed to take personal responsibility, failed to care for her child, and stopped her own childs heart from beating all for her own convenience. EVIL.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Annee
Still the best prevention of no more unwanted children is not to have one.

The best prevention of no more unwanted children is to NOT GET PREGNANT.
By killing the baby, you are not 'preventing an unwanted child'.
That child is already here.
It's just that he/she doesn't have a voice to scream out that he/she doesn't want to die.
Killing him doesn't prevent him from coming into being. HE ALREADY EXISTS.
Killing him just kills him ...
A selfish moral failure by the mother.

Well Said . That which Exists in the Now is Not Forgotten . That which Never Was is Not...

She's right unwanted kids do need better support by society, our infrastructure on this is terribly lacking. This is not a talking point that should not be ignored and deserves way more attention than it gets because it's linked to the abortion debate and is treated by both sides as a left wing talking point when really it shouldn't be.

You're all also right, it's a murder of convenience and the child is their own unique human being, pretending it's anything but does no one any favors and prevents the conversation from ever moving forward.

That said, her point that we lack the infrastructure to give these children the support they need is not fixed by insisting she's just a baby killer.

That also said, getting those children the support they need isn't going to gain traction on the right as long as it's used as a means to defend the killing of children. It sours the point, especially as there's no recognition that the more such support exists the more abortion should in turn be restricted.

a reply to: Aardwolfington

I 100% agree. It cannot be argued that the adoption and foster care system don't need a complete rebuild from the ground up. The system is atrocious, but the notion that children in those systems would be better off dead is evil by definition and should absolutely be called out as such.

a reply to: MrGashler

Hey! Gotta pump out the kid.

That’s The only thing that matters.

Then you can have a clear conscience and tell everyone you went through the whole process.

As you walk away.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: network dude
What deficiency causes the women you champion to not be able to understand the basics?

Annee proudly proclaims that she killed her child via abortion. So she wants everyone to do the same so she can justify her actions and feel good about herself and the fact that she stopped her own childs heart from beating and killed him.

NO.

I terminated a pregnancy.

There is not — nor was there a child.

originally posted by: Annee

I terminated a pregnancy.

There is not — nor was there a child.

You are lying to yourself in order to cover up the moral crime you committed and so that you can live with yourself. That's what pregnancy is ... when a woman is carrying her innocent child in her womb. YOU paid a butcher to stop the heart beat of your own child. Now you want everyone else to do the same so you justify your actions and be able to say 'it's okay because everyone kills their children'.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: MrGashler

Hey! Gotta pump out the kid.

That’s The only thing that matters.

Then you can have a clear conscience and tell everyone you went through the whole process.

As you walk away.

Hey! Gotta kill the kid, refuse to acknowledge the child existed, and get everyone else to selfishly slaughter their own children too.

That's the only thing that matters.

Then you can have a clear conscience and falsely tell everyone you never had a child in the womb, even though his heart was beating.

As you walk away.