June 27 Presidential Debate livestream

a reply to: Imhere

The leaders that think Biden is good from overseas are all leaders from Ukraine. I am sure the war mongers running Ukraine also think Trump is bad because he will try to stop the war and the leaders in Ukraine will not be able to skim the aid they are getting to make their retirement portfolio keep growing. If they shut off money coming into Ukraine, the leaders would have to retire with a measly fifty million in the bank....But that is just what we know their personal wealth has grown from this war, how much money has been hidden from detection. I read before that Zelinski's net worth has ballooned...what is on the books anyway. It seems strange that Zelinski's full assets and money grew so much in a time that the war in Ukraine was happening. I guess his net worth now is around half a billion, most coming from his businesses. Most mafia people start businesses to hide illegal money, is this possibly what is happening with him? It appears his recent gold mine has found it's mother lode...you would think he would be worth less not more in a country that is at war.

This is just an idea I have because of his gain in wealth after the war started. The war seems to be great for his businesses.

a reply to: rickymouse

I guess his net worth now is around half a billion, most coming from his businesses.

Source?

For what it's worth (I think this is an AI answer).

Zelensky net worth
Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the President of Ukraine, has been the subject of various claims about his net worth. Here’s a breakdown of the facts and figures:

Official Figures: Zelenskyy’s official monthly salary is $930, and his annual salary is $11,160.
Declared Income: In 2020, Zelenskyy declared an income of $1 million.
Net Worth Estimation: Experts estimate Zelenskyy’s overall net worth to be around $20 million, based on available information.
Real Estate Portfolio: Forbes estimated in 2022 that Zelenskyy’s real estate portfolio is worth $4 million, including three wholly owned apartments, two co-owned properties, one commercial property, and five parking spaces.
Assets: Zelenskyy and his wife listed two cars and six luxury watches on their 2020 asset declaration, according to reports.
Kvartal 95: Zelenskyy’s main asset is an estimated 25% stake in Kvartal 95, a group of companies that produce humorous shows, which he transferred to his partners after being elected president.
Debunking Social Media Claims: Online claims suggesting Zelenskyy’s net worth is $1.4 billion or more are unfounded and lack credible evidence. He does not appear on Forbes’ global wealth rankings.
In summary, while there are various estimates and claims about Zelenskyy’s net worth, the official figures and available information suggest that his net worth is likely around $20 million, with a significant portion coming from his stake in Kvartal 95 and his real estate portfolio.

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

originally posted by: JadedGhost

I mean, interest rates were awesome, but that has very little to do with the government, let alone Trump.

I want you to read about interest rates and then just consider you might be really wrong about other stuff.

School me. How did Trump have any influence over the low interest rates, then how did Biden influence it in raising them?

Janice Yellin was picked by Biden, replacing Steven Mnuchin. Secutary of the Treasury can make or break an economy, as we have all seen under Mnuchin's and Yellin's direction.

a reply to: nugget1

PM Sunak.... "Hold my beer"
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Jane

Obama is sticking with Joe, issues statement - X

this election is still a choice between someone who has fought for ordinary folks his entire life and someone who only cares about himself.

a reply to: tarantulabite1

That could be interpreted either way. Weak statement.
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Jane

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: rickymouse

I guess his net worth now is around half a billion, most coming from his businesses.

Source?

It doesn’t take much.

You’ll find it.

When can we expect Biden’s withdrawal?

End of July? September?

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
Obama is sticking with Joe, issues statement - X

^^ Shows Obama is out of touch with Americans and/or Obama is actually running the White House and doesn't want to give that up.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: tarantulabite1
Obama is sticking with Joe, issues statement - X

^^ Shows Obama is out of touch with Americans and/or Obama is actually running the White House and doesn't want to give that up.

Bingo.

Having watched the debate again I have to agree with analysis that says Trump was pretty awful too.
He simply cant help himself with the hyperbole.
'best ever'
'everyone says'
etc...

It's cringeworthy and you have to wonder why he has not reined that in. Surely his advisors have told him that it plays really badly with the people he needs to convince.

I didn't mind him not answering some questions, after all CNN have no right to dictate what he wants to say. They lost that right to be taken at their word years ago and thus no one should follow any of their instructions, BUT the bragging from Trump is insufferable TBH. He is not going to win over people wavering with that debate performance IMO.
There may be a few Democrats who stay at home and dont vote for Biden - same with some independents that might have voted for him, but Trump lost an big opportunity here in my view. I don't think anyone would be swayed by his performance.

For those that may have missed biden being led down 3 stairs after the debates:



Imagine this during a sneak attack against the US or some kind natural disaster?

a reply to: UKTruth

Having watched the debate again I have to agree with analysis that says Trump was pretty awful too. He simply cant help himself with the hyperbole. 'best ever' 'everyone says' etc...

Unfortunately contrast makes it hard for people to see the landscape.

Biden isn’t equipped to be the representative of residents inside of a retirement community, much less the leader of a super power. He even couldn’t speak.

Trump had to make complete sentences and have composure to win.

His term was an economic disaster, there’s absolutely no arguing that. The only argument is that it wasn’t his fault because of COVID. But that would be like saying Obamas term wasn’t his fault because of 08’, or it wasn’t Bush’s fault because of 9/11. A vast majority don’t extend that courtesy to them, so why should we allow Trump to act like he had “the best” presidency.

All that said, it doesn’t really matter. No one challenged him. The GOP primary was a joke, and offered no clear viable alternative. And the left ran the weakest candidate in modern history. Even most of the media and the party have woken up to this, with the only ones defending him basically saying you’re not voting for him but his cabinet.

Trump is merely a symptom of a much larger problem. He always has been just a symptom while people refuse to look at the bigger systemic problems.

a reply to: UKTruth

It's one of the things I like the least about Trump, without a doubt. He's a blowhard. He absolutely IS. There's no other way to put it. And, he can't help himself about it either. It's like this auto-pilot just switches on and he goes into 'self-celebration' mode.

I really wish he'd restrain that, it really looks bad, and it reflects very negatively on him.

In the debate, he got really bad toward the end of the debate. By that point he had no intention of answering the question being asked and instead just hammering on Biden with talking points. This 'might' have been okay IF he would have responded to the question first and THEN gone on his diatribe. But he didn't do that, and it looked really bad.

I certainly hope that some of Trump's handlers have enough horsepower to advise Trump to knock that sh!t off, or at least tone it down, but I doubt it.

It's one of the big things against Trump, and frankly it's one of the reasons people get so polarized personally about him. It's the "arrogance" factor.

a reply to: Hakaiju

I love to find fault with Biden, and there's plenty of that to be found in the debate Thursday night, BUT that particular video segment isn't one of them. Sorry, but it isn't, and here's why...

Because of the lighting on a stage like that, particularly the floor lights shining upward, vertical separations like steps can be extremely difficult to see, even for people with good eyesight and coordination. It is not uncommon to see performers who are on stages like this every day stumble and/or fall on a stage for this exact reason. The one thing Biden did NOT want to do on stage Thursday night was to stumble and/or fall down...so he was being extra careful. I can't fault what I call 'The Biden' for this.

Again, I love to find fault with Biden, he's got lots of them, but I try to be objective, and I don't think this was one of those moments.

edit - If you look carefully, you can see Biden carefully trying to find where the step in the floor is, right at the upward shining light line. Remember, at the same time there are high intensity stage lighting shining down from above, blinding you. Plus, while Biden may have spent a week preparing for the debate at Camp David, he didn't spend a week navigating this stage. It was his first time. So nothing particularly wrong with his caution. HOWEVER...

The bigger fault that I DO find in this video is WHY he had to walk forward at all (and not exit the stage to the right like Trump did). THIS act I DO find fault with. In fact, I personally think CNN should have been required to kill all the lighting on the stage immediately following the event so NEITHER of the candidates could "grandstand" like what Biden and his wife did. And that's exactly what it was too, it was "grandstanding". That was wrong, and it was an example of CNN showing bias. CNN, to be completely objective, should have killed the lights overhead and on the stage. If they would have done this, then that "limelight" moment on the stage after the debate wouldn't have been possible.

Cenk from Young Turks calls it likes he see's it and he hates Trump, and wants the left/democrats to win.

x.com...

"He looks like he is barley surviving, not the debate, but life"
"He can't even talk"
"This is a guarantied loss"

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

It’s also clearly been slowed down to make it look worse than what it was and with all those stupid sound effects and commentary. I get it if it’s just supposed to be an immature joke… but it really doesn’t make any legitimate point.

In that circumstance, on live tv, lights shining in your eyes, even a young fit person would take some kind of caution walking off the stage like that.

a reply to: UKTruth

Agreed. And see my post above in response reinforcing your thoughts (and mine).

One thing Trump did right (in the debate) was to leave the stage without further 'grandstanding', unlike Biden and his wife.

That was a professional move. As I noted to member Hakaiju, Biden being able to linger around in the limelight after the debate was cheap, and it was free advertising for Biden on prime-time network television (which ain't cheap). That was wrong, and it looked wrong and biased by CNN. As I have commented in this thread on several occasions, I thought CNN did a pretty good job moderating this debate...right up until this point at the conclusion of the debate. Then, all fairness went out the window as CNN let Biden parade around on stage smiling and glad-handing with the CNN staff.

If were to score CNN on a 1 to 10 scale for objectivity and performance on the debate, I would have given then an 8, maybe even a 9. BUT, that little stunt at the end, letting Biden and his wife just hang around under the spotlight on national TV, reduces that very nice score down to a 5 or a 6. That's just how much impact that little stunt was worth.

I'm sure CNN's counter to this would be..."Well, he IS the President you know!...but my rejoinder to that argument would be that Biden wasn't the "president" at the debate, he was only a "candidate" just like Trump, no different. Biden took off his "Prez" hat when he walked on that stage, and he didn't get to put that hat back on until he walked off that stage.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: UKTruth
If were to score CNN on a 1 to 10 scale for objectivity and performance on the debate, I would have given then an 8, maybe even a 9. BUT, that little stunt at the end, letting Biden and his wife just hang around under the spotlight on national TV, reduces that very nice score down to a 5 or a 6.

I didn’t see that because the YouTube live stream I was watching cut out straight after the debate. But from how you’ve explained it, it sounds more like a personal choice by the candidates, rather than a CNN bias.

I mean, what was stopping Trump from hanging around if he wanted too? I highly doubt they escorted him off site as soon as it was over.