Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn’t enter Gaza

a reply to: TheWoker

Pieces of sh!t still took hostages though didn’t they?

Killed a bunch as well.

Grind HAMAS to dust.

a reply to: NorthOS

Yeah, right. And the IDF killed a bunch of children during the "March of Return" a few years before that happened, what did you expect? Confetti?

From my perspective they all look like monsters, that's a no brainer. Which is why it makes sense to assume Israel rejected any peace offer. Not unlike the US rejecting Taliban offers to hand over Bin Laden, or Boris Johnson flying to Istanbul in order to prevent peace in the Ukraine. You see where this is going? Money, power and real pieces of sh!t. Eyes on the prize!

originally posted by: TheWoker
It took me a minute to substantiate said talk of a deal with two different sources,...

No it didn't.

Israel is considering a deal for Hamas to release all civilian hostages in Gaza, officials say

Behind a pay wall. No one can read it.

Israel Considering Deal for Hamas to Release All Civilian Hostages in Gaza Strip, Officials Say

That is Seattle Times and it says the deal would be for SOME of the hostages. Not all of the hostages as the OP claimed.

you're making a fool of yourself

Nope. But you do a good job of it.

Like I said, there is no evidence to support the Opening Post claim that Israel turned down a deal for all of the hostages. AND EVEN IF IT DID ... Israel would have been foolish to take the deal because it would have left Hamas in power and Hamas has said they will do Oct 7 over and over and over again. So even if there was a deal offered, it was a sucky one, and Israel would have been right not to take it.

a reply to: FlyersFan

No one can read it.

Because that's what a paywall is, innit?
Okay, here's a good one absolutley nobody saw coming today:

Call me No One from now on?

a reply to: TheWoker

You are new here and don't know how to post yet. You put a link in and claimed it said something ... but no one can read the link. That's on YOU. The second link did NOT confirm what the opening post said. It said there was a deal for SOME of the hostages being discussed ... not all as the Opening Post claimed.

So you fail. Try again or give up. It's on you.

It's been 3 days and the author of this thread has failed to provide any evidence to support the mans claim. That's on the author. It's his thread, and he has failed to substantiate it. And you just did the same thing ... posted snark thinking you had a 'gotchya' when in fact you posted SQUAT.

Even if Israel had been given an offer to get all the hostages back in return for doing nothing to Hamas ... it would have been a bad deal and Israel would have been idiots to take it. Hamas said they'd hit again and again and again. No 'deal' can happen leaving Hamas in power. Bad deal.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: TheWoker
The second link did NOT confirm what the opening post said. It said there was a deal for SOME of the hostages being discussed ... not all as the Opening Post claimed.

Incoming false claim of "semantics" as if there's not an enormous difference between getting some or getting all of the hostages back.

This is the deal that was linked to.

Timeline - November 10. There were two deals going on. One to release 'a small number of people' and one that would release approximately 100 people. In exchange Israel would give Hamas a brief pause, more humanitarian aid, fuel for hospitals and the release of women and children in Israeli prisons. Those were what the talks were.

50 Hostages were released November 24. 14 Days of negotiations got that to happen.

So where is the big 'gotchya' ?? What is the point of this thread? I"m not seeing it. Negotiations were in the works. A release of 50 people happened during this time. So ?? No good offer was 'turned down' by Israel. The big 'gotchya' isn't there

Seattle Times - Israel Considering Deal for Hamas to Free SOME Hostages

Hamas and Israel are negotiating two hostage release proposals, one involving a small number of people and one that could involve 100 or more civilians being held in the Gaza Strip, according to officials briefed on the talks.

Hamas and other Palestinian groups are holding around 240 people hostage in Gaza, according to Israeli officials and others briefed on the talks. A little less than half of them are civilians, and the larger deal being negotiated would involve the release of all of those, one official said.

Under one proposal being discussed, Hamas would release 10 to 20 civilian hostages — Israeli women and children as well as foreigners, including Americans — in exchange for a brief pause in hostilities, one official briefed on the talks said. That could be followed by a larger release of about 100 civilians if terms are met.

In exchange for releasing all the civilians, Hamas is asking for a brief pause, more humanitarian aid, fuel for hospitals and the release of women and children in Israeli prisons, the official said, adding that Israeli authorities had expressed uncertainty about releasing their prisoners.

edit on 5/3/2024 by FlyersFan because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: TheWoker
Oh, I'm new here?

You've been here three weeks. You are new. And obviously you don't understand how to post. Linking to articles behind pay walls and then claiming they say something doesn't work around here.

articles with the same headline circulated months ago. It's not "just one guy",

One guy claimed Israel turned down getting all the hostages back. There is ZERO evidence to support that claim that there was a viable offer from Hamas to do that. None. There are articles showing that negotiations were going on at that time, but there is NOTHING substantiating that Israel could have gotten all the hostages back, not even just all the civilians, with a VIABLE OFFER. The 2nd article you posted to showed that talks supposedly were talking about up to 100 people. That's not all the hostages nor all the civilians.

Like I said ... even if Hamas had said they would give all the hostages back, or even all the civilians back, with the promise from Israel that they don't go into Gaza or that they leave Hamas in tact would not be a legitimate offer. There is no way Israel can do that. Hamas gets to slaughter 1200 people and take 240 people hostage, keeping half the hostages ... and they would expect Israel not to go after them??? That's ridiculous and not a serious offer.

Consider your bold hypothesis debunked.

Only in your mind. Good luck with that.

a reply to: TheWoker

None of this matters.

If someone breaks into my house, kidnaps my kid and kills the rest of the family any “deal” I make to get my kid back would be broken the second he or she is returned.

They kidnapped my kid and killed my family FFS! I would hunt them to the ends of the earth.

If that had happened the topic would be “Jews break peace deal.”

Would you be good with that?

Damned if they did damned if they didn’t.

a reply to: NorthOS

My account is 20 years old here and he just strangely called me a 'newbie'. His posts never make sense and he goes out of his way to be antagonistic. I think he must be posting drunk a lot. Really. I"m just ignoring him as much as possible.

anyways ... 3 days and no one has come up with information that confirms that Israel turned down a viable offer that included the release of all the hostages, or even of all the civilian hostages, within days of the Oct 7 terrorist attack in
exchange for Israel not entering the Gaza strip.

If there was such an offer, it wasn't viable. There is no way that Israel was going to take half the hostages, leaving the other half, and also allowing Hamas to keep it's power in Gaza. That's not a viable or realistic offer.

So the guy whining in the opening post that Israel could have gotten all the hostages back in the first couple of days in exchange for not going into Gaza is just ridiculous. Israel isn't going to leave half the hostages behind and let Hamas stay in power to hit them again and again. Unless someone has real credible information showing otherwise ... the guy in the opening post is still unsubstantiated.

What DID come up was that 5 weeks later Israel and Hamas agreed to a deal that released 50 hostages in exchange for a temporary cease fire. Dec 1 Hamas broke the ceasefire and Israel resumed it's campaign to wipe out Hamas.NPR

a reply to: TheWoker

If you look at FlyersFan's stats and assuming you can read and comprehend you will see she has been a member here since 2004.

And has over 46 million stars.

Now, back up your claims without any more snark, or, do one?

originally posted by: KrustyKrab

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

The other day I was wondering who had the most applause.
I think it's Benevolent Heretic
She has 746 applause. Some of which I gave her.

I miss his post and was sad to see him go. He always made well informed and put together post. Seems like there was maybe a rift between he and the owners maybe? I can’t remember that far back😂

SHe. She was a she. We fought often, but it was sad when she had a medical condition and stopped posting.

Hamas is to blame for everything in Gaza due to their unprovoked attack against civilians in Israel, and subsequent refusal to return the hostages & surrender.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
7 Hours later and 4 pages later ... and no one has come up with anything credible that backs up this guys claim about Hamas supposedly offering to give back all the hostages in the first couple days of all this. And a search of the internet turns up nothing. I'm still going with that this story is just garbage. Unless someone actually comes up with some credible proof .... and even then, Israel would have been stupid to take the deal, leaving Hamas intact to hit again and again and again ...

Well there was an initial offer but it was rejected immediately because the demands were just stupid. The Hamas proposal envisaged a three-stage process over four-and-a-half months, during which Israeli troops would gradually withdraw from the enclave, hostages would be released and Palestinian prisoners in Israel would be freed. The big fail is Hamas would continue to govern Gaza without any repercussions for killing Israelis.

I think had this happened to any country in the world its citizens would want to turn gaza into a parking lot. When a sovereign nation attacks another this is war. In war civilians always die its the nature of war. If the palistinians want to end this do what other countries have done in the past surrender. The people obviously has not had enough if they had Hamas would lose all support and the people would remove them from government.

Since this has not happened the majority must believe that Hamas is correct in attacking and killing Jewish families and therefore are responsible for any deaths that occur in the attempt to dismantle Hamas. You can't have it both ways either Hamas needs to surrender or they are responsible for all civilian deaths as they started the conflict. I think they underestimated the Israelis response. In the past they were quick to negotiate this time however crossed that line and they decided this will not happen again.

Hamas could end this anytime they want they are choosing to continue this conflict.