Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn’t enter Gaza

a reply to: ToneD

The intellect, has dropped to a single gidget IQ when the only thing added is name calling.

Excuse me, maybe it’s my IQ but what is a gidget? You say they can be dropped, are they fragile? Since you’re one of the smartest here, can you help me to understand?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
It turns out that. .
justification for the murder of thousands of babies,
babies in incubators, children, women,
the elderly and the sick,
we learned of this information through Israeli media:

“We later
found out that Hamas had offered on October . .
to release all the civilian hostages
in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip,
but the government rejected the offer.”
Times of Israel Source

If Israel did not accept the return of the hostages
(they themselves murdered many of them)
. . it is clear what is happening in Gaza,
it is not about the hostages, nor about Hamas,
It is about continuing an ethnic cleansing
that has been ongoing for 76 years.

Ya,
Straight from his own mouth :
Netanyahu Vows To Invade Rafah
With or Without a Hostage Deal
news.antiwar.com...
Yahu never gave a sh@t about hostages,
he had different plans from the beginning.
Meanwhile . .
Yahu could end the speculations by
allowing observers
into Gaza to investigate the mass graves.
But NOoo,
he has lots to hide.
Why else give an order to barr reporters and
snipe them out ?
It should Not have been his call anyways.
Gaza, West Bank, the GoldenH is Not and never will be
accepted as Israeli territory.

The families of the dead have a right
to know what happened.
Independent investigators must be
allowed immediate access. International Law.
twitter.com...

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a reply to: ToneD

How many hamas fighters have died during the war that hamas started?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
How many hamas fighters have died

No thanks to Yahu, who is barring investigators.
btw Palestinians are the ones that
ARE requesting investigators.
Independent investigators must be
allowed immediate access Re: International Law.
twitter.com...

What does Yahu have to hide ?

btw
Consular immunity privileges are described in
the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 (VCCR).
Consular immunity offers protections similar
to diplomatic immunity, but not as extensive However,
Bombing a Consular Office is a crime by International
standards.
The whole world witnessed israel's committing this
crime and many many more crimes.
One can Not hide crimes behind a curtain of 'religion'

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a reply to: ToneD

So you can regurgitate ALL the dead civilians and children and sob, but you can't name one fighter who has died.

originally posted by: ToneD

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
as a justification for the murder of thousands of babies, babies in incubators,
children, women, the elderly and the sick, we learned of this information. .

They care ONLY ABOUT #'s and$

So much so, that even God's innocent animals are
being killed ruthlessly by the zionists.
Zionists said the horse was 'hamas' :
twitter.com...

No rules followed by the zionists
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Wow... you are mentally broken aren't you? You poor thing. That's shaves years off your life.
Bless your heart!!!

originally posted by: Daughter2v2

originally posted by: Ohanka
Israel should intensify its demolition campaign by dropping 50 bombs per antisemite pro-Hamas demonstration in North America and Europe.

They also need to assassinate the retard who named his horse Hamas. Not the horse itself though. Horses are chill.

And using Israel (and I shouldn't say Israel because it's really Netanyahu's logic) that's exactly where things will end up.


The only way to bring peace through bombing is to destroy EVERYONE.

Maybe that's his plan.

When It comes to baby mutilating killer rapists like the Hamasastinians then bombing them to the stone age would be the only "peace" they know. You realize that Hamas wants to kill you and your whole family simply because you are not Hamas?
It's pretty obvious when they hide behind those who worship and support them...the Palestinians. Hospitals, schools, resource centers...ect..ect. that's where you will find Hamas...how can anyone supports these cowards? But...but...but...the civilians...well blame Hamas...it's on their hands and they could care less.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
I have published an interview from the former spokesman of Families Forum, from an Israeli source, without saying it is so false, look for his email and tell him. Have you found any information that refutes what Mr. Haim Rubinstein said in this interview?

You are new here and don't know how to post yet. That's not how it works. It's up to YOU to prove that his claim is true. YOU are the one who posted it and wrote as if the claim were true. It's not up to us to assume it's true and debunk it. And so far, you have not proven his claim is true. An Israeli source printed his claim ... that doesn't make his claim true. It just means it's a claim.

Anyone can make a claim. Doesn't make the claim true.

This guy is a nobody. He's just a spokesman for a group. He gives no information proving his claim. And there is NOTHING online from any source whatsoever proving his claim is true. If he were an eyewitness to something, it would be different. Then he'd be an eyewitness with information and evidence. But he's not. Also, the behavior of Hamas runs counter to what he is claiming. They are holding onto the hostages for dear life. So again, it looks like his claim is false.

If it is true then post something to confirm it. Go ahead. No one is stopping you.

As for the rest of your post ... it's the usual off topic personal insult and antisemitic tripe from you ... and will not be addressed.

originally posted by: YouSir
Ummm...The IDF was obeying their stand down orders...

Incorrect.

They were busy killing 1500 Hamas terrorists and 'palestinians' who came screaming into Israel mass murdering and raping. NBC News This information is widely available so your insinuations that no counter measures were taken won't fly.

ON TOPIC .... nearly 24 hours later and 6 pages later .... still nothing to back the claim by the guy in the Opening Post that Hamas offered all the hostages back in the first couple of days and that Israel refused because it was such a bad deal. He is not an eyewitness coming forward with information and evidence. If he were, it would be different. The opening post remains just a claim by some guy with nothing credible to confirm it. And even if it was true, Israel would have been insane to accept it, keeping Hamas in tact so they could hit them again and again. I'm still saying BOGUS on the claim in the opening post

We can't say that the opening post is debunked. But we can say that it is just a claim/rumor and that it is, at this time, not substantiated.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
How many hamas sharmuta piss-dog cowards have been killed?

Quoting for the OP to address. It has not been answered yet.

nvm

Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.

Ha. Anyone that would take that deal needs to reread the quote.

Of course they rejected it. It's like surrender. Yeah, sure just take the strip why not. LOL.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
How many hamas sharmuta piss-dog cowards have been killed?

YEP ... the OP ran away and refuses to address this question.

The author of this thread also can't come up with any evidence to support the claim in the opening post. No documents. No witnesses. No government statements. Nothing. The big 'gotchya' he thought he had against Israel turns out to be a nothingburger. No surprise.

/DEAD THREAD/

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: YouSir
Ummm...The IDF was obeying their stand down orders...

Incorrect.

They were busy killing 1500 Hamas terrorists and 'palestinians' who came screaming into Israel mass murdering and raping. NBC News This information is widely available so your insinuations that no counter measures were taken won't fly.

Over 350 IDF lost their lives that day.

Not including those wounded and taken hostage.

Who do send my 2¢ to? I had to interject my take on the subject.

Israel is defending its citizens, Hamas started the fight, Israel is finishing it. Best way to deal with a bully, beat 'em down till they had enough. Unfortunately it makes Israel look bad for doing exactly what Hamas would do if they could.

a reply to: rsvpepper72

Well put, and how it has been for time immemorial.

If the “rules” of war are to be changed it’s hardly fair to do so in the middle of one.

It’s telling how those who want to move the goalposts now were silent and good with the status quo prior to October 7th.

The Israeli media Zaman has also interviewed Mr. Rubinstein:

Chaim Rubinstein, until recently spokesperson for the families of the kidnapped, reveals details about the meetings with Netanyahu, about the pressure exerted by the Prime Minister's Office and the reasons why he gave up his life project. In an interview with Gideon Alon, he reveals: "In retrospect, we learned that Hamas offered to immediately release all kidnapped citizens if the IDF does not enter the Strip, but the government rejected the proposal. "

No government or IDF official informed the families of the abductees that the IDF is beginning the ground maneuver and entering the Strip. We did not understand how it could be that the families of those kidnapped were not informed of the implications this would have.

It was Shabbat night and around twenty representatives of families who were in the Plaza of the Kidnapped that day participated. We left the meeting very disappointed, because Netanyahu talked about the goal of the war being to destroy Hamas. He did not promise anything about the demand for the return of the kidnapped people . He only said that a military operation in Gaza is necessary to serve as leverage for the release of the kidnapped people.

"The main reason for this is the Prime Minister's refusal. On the one hand, Netanyahu told the families that the price of releasing the prisoners is not a factor, and on the other hand, he raised all kinds of security issues to prevent an agreement".

"Netanyahu knows that the day the hostages are released, Smotrich and Ben Gvir will resign from the government because, in their opinion, the price he will pay for the release of the hostages is too high. That is why Netanyahu has frustrated any dialogue for the release of the kidnapped. "
Zman Israel interview source

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

were not informed of the implications this would have.

These were some of the consequences that were not told to the families of the hostages, and that they would have no choice but to admit it in public:

Families of hostages and freed captives described in great detail what happens to those being held by Hamas; 'Terrified that it would not be Hamas, but Israel, that would kill us'.

Another former hostage who returned with her children, but whose husband remains in Hamas captivity, said: "We felt as though no one was doing anything for us. The reality is that I was in a hideout that was bombed and we became wounded refugees. This doesn't even include the helicopter that fired at us on our way to Gaza. You claim there is intelligence, but the reality is that we were being bombed. My husband was separated from us three days before we returned to Israel and was taken to the tunnels. And you're talking about flooding the tunnels with seawater? You are bombing tunnel routes exactly where they are located. My daughters ask me where their father is, and I have to tell them that the bad guys still don't want to release him."

"The second matter you raised, which is distressing, is hearing about the ordeals you endured with our bombings and military operations, those of the IDF, and it continues. It's true. I find it deeply saddening. I can assure you that it's not just saddening, as my colleagues will affirm, it also influences their operational considerations. And if you intended to convey this message, you have succeeded."

One of the individuals who was previously held captive in Gaza, and later attended a meeting with the War Cabinet at the Air Force House in Herzliya, relayed her experience after the meeting. She described their time in captivity, saying that "bombs from an aircraft were detonating above us".

She went on to share her impressions of the meeting, stating that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "didn't respond to the questions that were posed - instead, he read from prepared remarks on a piece of paper." She further noted that "Netanyahu stated that it wasn't feasible to bring everyone back, and questioned whether any of us thought that if such an opportunity was available, anyone would reject it."
YnetNews source

In tense meetings with relatives, Netanyahu admitted that the IDF attacked and killed his own civilians. He couldn't fool anyone there, he had hostages, right under his nose, who witnessed the attacks and bombings that the IDF carried out against the hostages.

In case of doubts about Netanyahu's opinion regarding the agreements.

'Won't Agree To Hamas Deal At Any Price': Hostages' Families Dismayed By Netanyahu's Rhetoric

"Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has bluntly told the protesting families of hostages held in Gaza that he won't agree to any deal with Hamas at any price.

He said that he won't agree to a hostage release deal if it threatens Israel's security. He also reportedly refused a request that all hosts be released together instead of in phases.

Channel 12 news reported the inside details from the meeting between Netanyahu and 18 representatives of the hostages' families. Later,Netanyahu said that Israel has red lines and it won't stop the war for hosts in a video statement. Hamas is currently studying a new hostage release proposal hatched in Paris by American, Egyptian and Qatari interlocutors and agreed to by Israel on Sunday."