Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn’t enter Gaza

a reply to: FlyersFan

/DEAD THREAD/

The only thing dead here are your manners and your lack of education.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan

/DEAD THREAD/

The only thing dead here are your manners and your lack of education.

How many Hamas fighters have died during the war that Hamas started?

*asking for a friend*

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
The only thing dead here are your manners and your lack of education.

I'm better educated than you are and have much better manners.
And I post much better as well. Something you need to work on.

You failed to address the question put to you. Running away from it.
Stop deflecting.

How many Hamas fighters have died during the war that Hamas started?

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

You poor thing ... you still don't get it. It doesn't matter how many news outlets interview the guy ... what he says is still JUST A CLAIM . There is nothing to back it up. Nothing. And anyone can make a claim. It doesn't make it true.

If he was an eyewitness or could produce documents or produce others to verify conversations ... then there would be a different conversation going on. But he isn't. Therefore ... this is a nothingburger unless you produce something to back up his claims that Hamas inexplicably offered to give back all the hostages in the first couple of days as long as Israel left Hamas alone. (A claim that runs counter to everything Hamas has done in the past 7 months) You have had 7 pages and 2 days to come up with something, but you fail to do so. Therefore ... DEAD THREAD

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

From your posted article.

He said that he won't agree to a hostage release deal if it threatens Israel's security.

Negotiations with hostage takers resulting in them getting their way is a threat to national security.

That is why it isn’t done. By most countries and police departments.

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan

/DEAD THREAD/

The only thing dead here are your manners and your lack of education.

It’s bad manners to ignore people.

You have ignored a number of posters that asked the following.

How many mighty Hamasshole warriors have been killed and wounded?

Educate us on this point.

a reply to: NorthOS

Let me help.

On October 7th Hamas killed over 350 IDF in one day.

It’s been 208 days since then.

So, assuming a”balanced response” that everyone expects and demands from Israel, that’s 350X208.

72800. Dead Terrorists.

Sound like Israel is taking it easy on them with the numbers that you stated.

Prove me wrong.

originally posted by: NorthOS

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan

/DEAD THREAD/

The only thing dead here are your manners and your lack of education.

It’s bad manners to ignore people.

You have ignored a number of posters that asked the following.

How many mighty Hamasshole warriors have been killed and wounded?

Educate us on this point.

It is also bad manners to call people moron, brainwashed etc.
Do any of you actually know the real numbers? No? Ok then why are you arguing about it as if it makes you right?

a reply to: jofafot

If you can find a post on ATS where I’ve ever called anyone a moron or stupid you win a prize.

We are discussing it because people are constantly quoting a bogus number with questionable origins regarding dead civilians.

Yet THERE ARE NO NUMBERS FOR DEAD TERRORISTS.

Where are they?

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: jofafot

If you can find a post on ATS where I’ve ever called anyone a moron or stupid you win a prize.

We are discussing it because people are constantly quoting a bogus number with questionable origins regarding dead civilians.

Yet THERE ARE NO NUMBERS FOR DEAD TERRORISTS.

Where are they?

Don't worry about the "moron" part. That was a reply to you but it is also a public post.
As for the numbers, doesn't israel have them?

originally posted by: jofafot

As for the numbers, doesn't israel have them?

You missed the point. The point is that Hamas claims 30,000 civilians, mostly women and children, have been killed in Gaza. They lump in dead terrorists with dead civilians and just call them all 'palestinians'. The number they give is impossible and not accurate. The OP of this thread refuses to answer the question of 'how many dead terrorists' because it would destroy his unending ProHamas narrative. He runs away from the simple question.

a reply to: FlyersFan
I think you missed my point too. You are asking him to provide real numbers but you also don't have the real numbers to confirm if he is saying the truth or not. This whole "numbers" argument is meaningless. But my question still stands, doesn't israel provide atleast some numbers? I'm kinda out of loop.

a reply to: jofafot

As of February 2024, 12000.

www.timesofisrael.com...

a reply to: NorthOS
12000 what? Total deaths or only hamas members? Like I said, I am out of loop, I am assuming that number is ever since october 7, am I right?

a reply to: jofafot

I agree with your point.

The reason we are bringing this up is that Hamas is telling us that tens of thousands of civilians have been killed, when a huge percentage of those may be terrorists.

The supposed numbers of dead civilians that are quoted in numerous ATS threads are the basis of the outrage and argument to stop Israel from finishing off Hamas.

It needs to be exposed as possibly bogus.

a reply to: jofafot

Israel claims that is the total number of Hamas killed since October 7th. As of February.

a reply to: NorthOS
Well, israel cannot finish off hamas. I wish they could so this bloodshed would end but we all probably know it can't be done (unless some very major event like world war 3 happens). I wish all the middle east countries would reach an agreement already but I suppose war is in best interest for some people who make huge profit from it.

EDIT: By the way thanks for the info. Right now my internet is very slow for some reason. Most of the times pages don't even load properly but I saved that link so I can check it later.

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: jofafot

Israel claims that is the total number of Hamas killed since October 7th. As of February.

Back in February, Hamas also gave a number for how many of their fighters have been killed. I posted about it here. Of course their number is much lower than Israel's claims. The real number is likely somewhere in between.

But even using Hamas's numbers, their numbers give a civilian-to-combatant kill ratio of about 4 to 1. The UN said in most wars the ratio is about 9 to 1, so even Hamas's numbers prove Israel is being extraordinarily careful.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You failed to address the question put to you. Running away from it.
Stop deflecting.

How many Hamas fighters have died during the war that Hamas started?

Your question, like that of your insistent friends, "is off topic." Why do you ask me for figures when you have published the thread of "those false Hamas death figures" and you have not been able to give us a number of either the civilian victims or the Hamas terrorists?

On the other hand, do you know why we only have the figures given by the Gaza Ministry of Health? Because your master, Israel does not allow anyone to investigate anything that is happening in the massacre.

So 34,000 murdered is the figure that we ALL handle and about which we will know more in detail, because, did you know that Gaza (even Israel) has a record of the people who were alive there before Israel's response? Well, you will know in detail when the Israeli occupation state is forced to allow independent organizations to investigate it.

And I repeat, to you who publicize so well and to your friends, that this thread is "Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza" and you are off topic. For that you created a specific thread, without contributing a single figure.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

As for the topic.

Never negotiate with terrorists.

As for the numbers. That’s what YOU base your outrage on.

A house built on sand.