Those Fake Death Numbers From Hamas Out Of Gaza

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
Subtracting the IDF figure from February gives a figure of 24,596 civilians killed by Israel.

That's still you assuming that Hamas is telling the truth about how many are dead. And the statistics given in this thread prove that those figures are a lie. And the statistics show that the claim that 70% of the dead are women and children is a lie.

Like the title of the thread says ... FAKE NUMBERS FROM HAMAS.


Just a reminder about the fact that civilians die in war ...
A few thousand or so dead in Gaza is not much ...
casualties in recent wars ...

World War II - 50,000,000 Dead

World War I - 40,000,000 Dead

Vietnam War - 1,353,000 Dead

Korea War - 525,000 Dead, over 1 Million Missing

Iraq War - Over 1 Million Associated Deaths

Iran/Iraq War - 500,000 Iraqi dead and 750,000 Iranian dead

a reply to: FlyersFan

How does Israel know that there are 12,000 Hamas fighters? Israel does not know the number of civilians it kills, but it does know the number of combatants?

Do you have a more up-to-date IDF source that talks about figures?

Why don't you answer the questions?

Just a reminder about the fact that civilians die in war ...
A few thousand or so dead in Gaza is not much ...
casualties in recent wars ...

World War II - 50,000,000 Dead

World War I - 40,000,000 Dead

Vietnam War - 1,353,000 Dead

Korea War - 525,000 Dead, over 1 Million Missing

Iraq War - Over 1 Million Associated Deaths

Iran/Iraq War - 500,000 Iraqi dead and 750,000 Iranian dead

How many millions of times are you going to publish this data? Renew your rhetoric.

All wars are bad, but this one has killed more journalists or UN staff than any of the ones you mention. Why?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
a reply to: FlyersFan



All wars are bad, but this one has killed more journalists or UN staff than any of the ones you mention. Why?

I think you got asked if Hamas that sanctioned murder, rape, torture and kidnapping surrendered instead of cowering behind human shields and hospitals, how many would still be alive.

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

Shrugs…


www.ifj.org...

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

Seems peace time Middle East is more dangerous to journalists than war zone Gaza?

a reply to: HopeForTheFuture

What is real in Gaza anyway?

Social Media Platforms Were Not Ready for Hamas Misinformation

www.csis.org...

Numerous accounts—some with pseudonyms, others posing as fake news agencies —misrepresented imagery from past months or inaccurate geographic locations as current portrayals of the violence in either Israel or Gaza.

Wonder how many Hamas members pose or claim “journalist” just as a shield…….

a reply to: Lazy88

It's going to be about 5820 dead journalists in Israel alone if they keep killing them at this pace. 97 have been murdered already, according to the more conservative count on CPJ.
This is a war on the free press as well.

originally posted by: TheWoker
a reply to: Lazy88

It's going to be about 5820 dead journalists in Israel alone if they keep killing them at this pace. 97 have been murdered already, according to the more conservative count on CPJ.
This is a war on the free press as well.

Don’t let terrorists use “journalism” as a shield in a war zone.

a reply to: Lazy88

Kill em all and let God sort out the real journalists, Arnauld Amalric?

And suddenly the staggering death count from the PA seems to be on point? You only inflated the number of actual Hamas targets with a more than questionable excuse for murder. Err... congrats?

originally posted by: HopeForTheFuture
Why don't you answer the questions?

Seriously? You need that answered? OBVIOUSLY Israel is estimating the number of dead Hamas from their intelligence information about how many Hamas are in the areas that they bombed/engaged. DUH. This is basic knowledge. You really need it spoon fed to you?

Why don't you ask your Hamas buddies where they get their estimates from? They pull the number out of their butts, that's where they get their numbers from. Just like when they falsely claimed that Israel airbombed a hospital and 500 people died. The truth was that the hospital was fine, and one of their own rockets misfired and landed in the parking lot killing 50 people or so. The math proves their numbers false. Common sense remembering that they have a history of LYING proves their numbers false.

How many millions of times are you going to publish this data? Renew your rhetoric.

I'll keep posting the information on civilian deaths in wars until it sinks in and the morons who keep falsely screaming 'genocide' get it through their heads that civilians die in wars and this one has a very low civilian death count.

All wars are bad, but this one has killed more journalists or UN staff than any of the ones you mention. Why?

There are more journalists now and if a journalist or UN member goes into an active war zone and gets killed ... it's their own fault for being so stupid as to go into an active war zone. DUH. Common sense.

originally posted by: TheWoker
a reply to: Lazy88

Kill em all and let God sort out the real journalists, Arnauld Amalric?

And suddenly the staggering death count from the PA seems to be on point? You only inflated the number of actual Hamas targets with a more than questionable excuse for murder. Err... congrats?

No. If you’re a journalist with integrity, why would you be a tool of Hamas that sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping. But the case is probably more Hamas has people that pose as journalists. And then drives a false narrative. How many times has Hamas and the Palestinian authority been caught lying?

Anyway. Evidently peace time Middle East is still more dangerous to journalists than the war zone.

Double post.

originally posted by: TheWoker
a reply to: Lazy88

Kill em all and let God sort out the real journalists, Arnauld Amalric?

And suddenly the staggering death count from the PA seems to be on point? You only inflated the number of actual Hamas targets with a more than questionable excuse for murder. Err... congrats?

Cracks are forming.

GAZA HEALTH MINISTRY CANNOT PROVIDE NAMES FOR MORE THAN 10,000 IT SAYS HAVE DIED

The economist Michael Spagat, who has consistently defended the ministry’s methods, found 3,407 records with errors in a dataset the ministry released at the end of March. These include duplicate records, records with invalid or missing ID numbers, and records that give no age for the deceased.

www.fdd.org...

a reply to: Lazy88

www.jpost.com...

Journalists embedded with Hamas on Oct. 7 violated all media redlines - editorial

The NGO noted some serious ethical concerns: “What were they [the photojournalists] doing there so early on what would ordinarily have been a quiet Saturday morning? Was it coordinated with Hamas? Did the respectable wire services, which published their photos, approve of their presence inside enemy territory, together with the terrorist infiltrators?

www.tabletmag.com...

And the Prize for Photography Goes to ... Hamas?

In their quest for prestigious industry prizes, did the Associated Press, The New York Times, Reuters, and other news organizations sidestep journalistic ethics?

When you play outside the rules and don’t notify a victim of an impending crime in order to get the scoop it doesn’t always end well.

UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza.

The UN also highlighted that the plurality of identified fatalities were men (40%), while children were (32%) and women (20%).


UN Halves Estimate of Women and Children Killed in Gaza

The United Nations seemingly halved the estimated number of women and children killed in Gaza, according to UN data published on May 6 and 8. The UN published the number of fatalities reported by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health or the Government Media Office in Gaza and Israeli authorities. The UN provided a disclaimer below the data: "The UN has so far not been able to produce independent, comprehensive, and verified casualty figures."

On May 6, the UN published data showing that 34,735 people had reportedly been killed in Gaza, including over 9,500 women and over 14,500 children. On May 8, the UN published data showing 34,844 people had reportedly been killed, including 4,959 women and 7,797 children.

The new figures showed the number of identified deaths as of April 30, which total 24,686 people; the new data also specified that 10,006 men had been killed and 1,924 elderly.

NOW ... add to that new 24,686 figure the fact that Israel says it estimates 12,000 dead Hamas fighters. If they are close to being correct, that leaves 12,686 civilian casualties. Men, women and children. VERY different from the figure of 34,000 dead women and children that Hamas is trying to bamboozle people with. And the fact still remains that NONE of them would be dead if Hamas and the 'palestinians' hadn't attacked Israel and if Hamas would lay down their arms and give up the hostages. (Which I doubt any are still alive given the abuse that the freed ones were going through)

IDF Says 12000 Hamas Fighters Killed in Gaza War

The Israel Defense Forces said Monday that troops have killed some 12,000 of Hamas’s estimated 30,000 gunmen in the Gaza Strip since war erupted on October 7, after a Qatar-based official for the terror group claimed it had lost half that number — some 6,000 fighters — during the four-month-old conflict.

Hamas is also believed to have thousands of operatives who are seriously wounded and unable to fight.

a reply to: FlyersFan

You don’t say. We’ve been right all along, imagine that. 🤷‍♂️

a reply to: KrustyKrab

Funny how this thread went dead all the sudden?

Even though the new death numbers are dramatically lower, and the statistics show that it's not 70% women and children being killed ... the UN is still using a Hamas source for their figures. Which obviously still can't be trusted since they have a history of lying and inaccuracies and agenda.


Foundation For The Defense of Democracies

The United Nations Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) revised its child fatality figure from the Gaza war sharply downward, reporting more than 14,500 deaths on May 6 but then 7,797 on May 8. OCHA also revised downward its figure for women fatalities from more than 9,500 deaths to 4,959 deaths. The Jerusalem Post first reported the changes on May 11.

The UN attributed its original, higher figures to the Hamas-controlled Government Media Office (GMO) in Gaza, whose figures OCHA has cited continually for the past two months. The UN gave no source for the lower figures in its May 8 update, but the figures precisely match those in a May 2 report from a different Hamas-controlled organization, the Gaza Ministry of Health.

“This change may signal that the UN has finally recognized the lack of evidence behind Hamas’s original claims that more than 14,000 children and 9,000 women have been killed in Gaza. If so, the UN should state clearly that it has lost confidence in sources whose credibility it has affirmed for months. While this change may only reflect the conclusion of one UN office out of the many operating in Gaza, it is a clear step forward.” — David Adesnik, FDD Senior Fellow and Director of Research.

If anyone wants to enter their email they can read this -
NY SUN - United Nations Reports Lower Identified Death Toll Among Palestinian Arabs Noting Conflicting Numbers From Hamas Run Health Ministry

The United Nations is reporting lower revised figures on the confirmed number of Palestinian Arab deaths in the Israel-Hamas war, calling into question the death toll that has been provided by the Hamas controlled Gaza Health Ministry.

‘In the fog of war, it’s difficult to come up with numbers,’ a UN official says.

a reply to: FlyersFan

Still tragic. But I wonder if Gaza children deaths are like children gun deaths. Where people under the age of 18 in gangs killed in gang violence and shootings are counted as child gun deaths? When it’s gang violence to actually blame. Which is a large portion of the teen statistics.

In other words. How many children deaths in Gaza are part of children under 18 fighting for extremists in some way?

Destroys 'The Lancet' magazine article that the pro-Hamas people like to put forward as some kind of proof that the numbers from Hamas are accurate. They simply are not.

Telegraph UK - Gaza Number of Dead Reported Doesn't Add Up

While in previous rounds of fighting, the numbers were based on official hospital records, this time an increasingly large percentage of reported deaths are coming, not from doctors, but from what the Health Ministry refers to as “reliable media sources”, as well as reports submitted by Gazan citizens via a Google Form.

At the time of writing, the authorities say there have been a total of 32,414 deaths. About 54 per cent of those are from hospital records, with 45 per cent coming from other sources.

[snip]

This appears to further strengthen the case for using the UNRWA female staff deaths numbers, and the closely matching numbers from hospital records, as a proxy for the actual mortality numbers in Gaza. If we did this, it would suggest that around 18,000 (not 32,414) had died in Gaza since Oct 7.