An easy question for the left

a reply to: Station27

People like me?

So , you found your answer.

Good.

Then post it?

You make claims, you post your sources.

That's how we do things round here.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Station27

People like me?



That's how we do things round here.

oh, it's on.

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
I find it funny that some on here can't accept that there are valid reasons why some on the left don't like Trump.

You just keep saying things like "it was a free and fair election," when it has been proven otherwise.

Great then you won't posting links to evidence that backs up your claim! I'll wait.

That's the problem it's never been proven otherwise.

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
Sure, but again we're talking about widespread voter fraud that caused Trump to lose

There you go again. You Lefties keep saying there wasn't "widespread voter fraud." There didn't have to be any widespread fraud! There wasn't widespread voter fraud - there didn't have to be to have changed the outcome of the election. Just a fraud here and there and that's what put Biden barely over the line to win. You Lefties refuse to acknowledge that possibility. Why is it not possible? Stop being so close-minded - learn to accept reality.

I do accept reality, and that's the what bothers you. For the last time, show me credible evidence that enough fraud occurred to change the outcome. We're on page 13 and still no one has done that. How come? I wonder why no one can provide the evidence that everyone says exists.

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
Sure, but again we're talking about widespread voter fraud that caused Trump to lose

There you go again. You Lefties keep saying there wasn't "widespread voter fraud." There didn't have to be any widespread fraud! There wasn't widespread voter fraud - there didn't have to be to have changed the outcome of the election. Just a fraud here and there and that's what put Biden barely over the line to win. You Lefties refuse to acknowledge that possibility. Why is it not possible? Stop being so close-minded - learn to accept reality.

I do accept reality, and that's the what bothers you. For the last time, show me credible evidence that enough fraud occurred to change the outcome. We're on page 13 and still no one has done that. How come? I wonder why no one can provide the evidence that everyone says exists.

hereistheevidence.com...

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
Except that's a list of allegations, and not credible evidence. Many of the links take you to something that someone posted on Twitter. I can post on Twitter right now and state that the sky is green. Someone can link to my Twitter post and claims that as credible evidence??? I think not.

That having been said there may be credible links on that page I didn't have time to go through all of the links that quickly. But many lead to twitter posts and youtube videos that anyone, anywhere, trying to prove anything can post. I would hope for something better than that?

You're being disengenuous. Because you're saying that people talking about the evidence doesn't prove anything. It doesn't. But, they're talking about the evidence which exists that people and organizations have collected and have in their possessions. Why should I listen to anything you say? It's just something somebody posted on a conspiracy site. Do you see how that works, now? You're trying to hold others to a higher standard than you yourself live by.

That's the thing i don't want you to listen to me. I want you to research topics and learn about the evidence yourself.

Which people and organizations have this evidence in their possession?? If they have it why didn't they give it to the courts when the cases were in front of the courts??

originally posted by: Station27
Bottom line:

I don't think any real evidence that would stand up in a court of law can be posted online.

Defendant to Judge: I got the evidence of my innocence off the internet.

Judge to defendant: Guilty as charged. Next!

So, why does the Left keep asking for real evidence on the internet? Why indeed.

Because Trump and the right keeps claiming it exists. So if it exists we want to see it.

Issue is there is no credible evidence, so here we are on page 13 and no one yet has provided anything verifiable, credible, etc.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: VoiceofReality

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: VoiceofReality
Sure, but again we're talking about widespread voter fraud that caused Trump to lose

There you go again. You Lefties keep saying there wasn't "widespread voter fraud." There didn't have to be any widespread fraud! There wasn't widespread voter fraud - there didn't have to be to have changed the outcome of the election. Just a fraud here and there and that's what put Biden barely over the line to win. You Lefties refuse to acknowledge that possibility. Why is it not possible? Stop being so close-minded - learn to accept reality.

I do accept reality, and that's the what bothers you. For the last time, show me credible evidence that enough fraud occurred to change the outcome. We're on page 13 and still no one has done that. How come? I wonder why no one can provide the evidence that everyone says exists.

hereistheevidence.com...

See my previous response. Links to a random person on Twitter is not evidence. Imagine presenting that in a court of law. How fast do you think it would get laughed right out of court?

You posting the same link that proves nothing is not bringing anything credible to the table.

a reply to: VoiceofReality

Are all the links just Twitter?

No.

You've made up your mind, please don't pretend.

It's an ugly awkward look.

Tacky.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: VoiceofReality

Are all the links just Twitter?

No.

You've made up your mind, please don't pretend.

It's an ugly awkward look.

Tacky.

Not at all and if you would have read my initial response to this webpage, I stated that there could be valid links in there but I did not have time to review them all. I"ll go ahead and copy/paste my exact words: "That having been said there may be credible links on that page I didn't have time to go through all of the links that quickly. But many lead to twitter posts and youtube videos that anyone, anywhere, trying to prove anything can post. I would hope for something better than that? "

I'm not making my mind up before reviewing the evidence so please don't accuse me of that. What I'm doing is waiting for someone to post the evidence so that we can analyze it and make up our minds based on this evidence everyone claims to have. Once someone posts that, it can be reviewed, analyzed critically, and conclusions drawn. But without anyone giving the evidence what am I supposed to do??

Still waiting for someone to post the PIllow Guy's evidence that ended up costing him $5 million because it was disproven. Or maybe some good dominion rumours. They've only cost Fox $787 million because it was all lies.

I'll stop the sarcasm and just wait for someone to post the data that everyone apparently has.

a reply to: VoiceofReality

I posted, you didn't read.

I get it.

Words are hard.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: VoiceofReality

I posted, you didn't read.

I get it.

Words are hard.

I read. You didn't like my analysis of questioning some of the links on your page.

a reply to: VoiceofReality

Did you read the evidence?

No.

You did not.

You have outed yourself, Kevin.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: CarlLaFong

We all know exactly who the OP is talking about, some are just ignorant to that.

I am most definitely ignorant to what 'left' means within the intent and context of this thread. Dude? What is the 'left'?

I dont know you or the OP from Adam and have only read a few posts on the first page of this thread but to me it sounds like you're playing games (trolling).

You wrote "still waiting", regarding your "question", only 8 minutes after the OP posted this thread, dude or dudette didn't even have time to make a drink and your complaining already

originally posted by: TheMisguidedAngel

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: CarlLaFong

We all know exactly who the OP is talking about, some are just ignorant to that.

I am most definitely ignorant to what 'left' means within the intent and context of this thread. Dude? What is the 'left'?

I dont know you or the OP from Adam and have only read a few posts on the first page of this thread but to me it sounds like you're playing games (trolling).

You wrote "still waiting", regarding your "question", only 8 minutes after the OP posted this thread, dude or dudette didn't even have time to make a drink and your complaining already

"What is Left" is a fair question -- especially since the thread title is directed at the Left.

Who/What is "the Left"? Defined by the OP?

How about you answer the question instead of complaining.

a reply to: Annee

Not MAGA

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: VoiceofReality

So while I claimed this was too much to do in a post, apparently I lied. Can you articulate what you don't like about each of those things?

eta: www.cnn.com...

Would love to. And honestly you've been very polite and easy to talk to, so sure I'll give it a go. So only going to review 13 of them, since I already stated I do agree with 2 of the things Trump wants to do. Fix immigration and get tougher on crime.

And away we go:

- Drug cartels - He wants to come down on drug cartels. I'm not against this per se, but there has been a formally declared "war on drugs" since Reagan. Almost everyone who has looked at that decades old war on drugs has declared it a failure. Drugs, and lots of them, still make it into the country every year. So although I'm not against improvements to the system, 30+ years has proven that we can't make much of a difference. So whether Trump does this or not I don't believe it will make lick of difference.

- Education - He wants to make it harder for schools to be a safe space for transgender kids. That is a very dangerous thing to do. My daughter has 2 trans friends, and one of them has parents who are very cruel to her over this in the home. Taking away the school as a safe space away from parents who don't understand in my opinion is bad. We should be providing as much safe space as possible for children who are struggling with any issue. I've seen what happens in a situation where the parents do not understand the child suffers because of it. In addition I've looked into that whole 1776 Commision he wants to start teaching and to me it's nothing more than Trump trying to indoctrinate people to believing only 1 side of history. Both sides need to be taught and folks have the right to make up their own minds.

- Health care - Trump has kept saying he's going to replace it but has never presented a plan. Can't go back to life before Obamacare, that would be disastrous. So not sure how I'm am supposed to support Trump's plan for healthcare when he promised a plan 5 years ago and he still hasn't seen it.

- Gender Care - To me this is removal a human right. Every time you tell another human being that they cannot live life they want they want you are infringing on a human right. Hard no on this one.

- Justice system - "Trump has promised to use the Department of Justice to attack critics and former allies. In several videos and speeches, the former president also laid out plans to gut the current justice system by firing “radical Marxist prosecutors that are destroying America.” Obviously any government who promotes using the justice system against a political opponent.....well that's what Russia does, not what the US does. This is clown world crap.

- Foreign policy - He doesn't like NATO, WHO or any other world level organization. This is hugely problematic. I hear on this board all the time how everyone is against the NWO.....one world governments, etc. The problem we face in the world today is that most of the problems we face we need to address on a world wide scale. Countries electing strong right, nationalist parties don't help this situation because they only worry about their own country. But if every country in the world only worries about themselves, who is supposed to fix the world wide problems? No one and they just continue to fester. If anything we need to invest and need organization at that level. Trump pulling away from this is a hard no again.

- New cities and flying cars - Okay this one is a bit grey On paper this sounds great, but rather than starting up 10 new cities that will fix all the problems in the country today, why not work on fixing the issues in the cities that do exist and just institute your vision there? I don't understand the logic of just building 10 new random cities. We have enough cities. FIx the issues those ones have.

- Electric vehicles - Yes. We need stricter EPA regulations and less usage of fossil fuels. It will kill the US auto industry? Okay well that's progress. Every major advancement in the history of mankind has required a major shift. People don't like change but sometimes it's necessary. Especially in the fight against climate change.

- Energy - “We’re going to ‘drill, baby, drill’ right away,” Trump told a crowd of supporters in Des Moines. No in fact that's the exact opposite of what needs to happen. Slow drilling down for the good of the planet.

- Trade - I'm against tariffs of all kind. This is one area I'm more moderate than left. I believe in the free market without interference from government. Given how far right Trump it really surprises me that this was his solution.

- Economy - Complicated one for sure. COVID and world supply chain issues had a lot to do with the origins of our economic woes. However a few facts are undeniable. Under Biden, the stock market is absolutely killing it. Biden got back all the jobs that were lost on Trump's watch. Inflation is coming down.

- Second Amendment - I was born and raised in Canada. The only reason you ever need to own a gun is to hunt. Needless to say I'm not a support of 2A. I respect those that are, but not me.

- Equity - For reasons I still cannot understand after all the years lurking on this board, the right does not seem to believe in equality and equity. I am a believer and supporter of programs that fix inequalities that existed beforehand. African Americans, women, etc. If we don't fix the inequality that exists today, then we don't progress as a society.

My humble responses and thank you for asking!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
hereistheevidence.com...

Danger Will Robinson!!!










Where do they keep coming from, DB?

a reply to: Station27

Smartest guy in the room, just ask him.😏

a reply to: VoiceofReality

I understand more about why you think like you do, so this was a good exchange IMHO. Obviously I don't agree with much of what you believe in, or we wouldn't be discussing the differences.
My parents are CNN liberals now. As I grew up, they were fiscally conservative, and not political about much of anything that I can remember, but I think retirement and a Television that seems to always be on CNN has something to so with how they think now. I try not to talk politics with my mother. Dad has Dementia and is just happy to remember he's here. He has a fantastic sense of humor and of all the things he lost with this disease, that wasn't one of them.

My way of thinking is from my life experiences. I assume yours are as well. (based on your growing up in the land of the moose)

I think you got some wrong ideas of how people on my side think of the whole "gender" thing. People all have the God Given right to be who and what they want to be. No laws or public stigma can change that. What (this is me speculating based on how I feel) seems to be the case is that children should not be able to make life altering decisions, such as changing gender roles. This isn't limiting them in who they want to be, It's offering them some time to mature, and fully understand what it is they are about to do. Kids make some dumb choices. Not because they are dumb, but because they lack life experience. that's not something against them, it's a simple fact, and one that is key to many things in a childs growth.

Electric vehicles and the energy issue, well, I'm going to go way out on a limb here and guess that you are a greenie. An environmentalist, believes in Climate change being man made, and staunchly against those who aren't on the same page. If that's wrong, please let me know. But as our environment is fragile, and we DO need to be sure we keep that at the forefront of our decisions, for the future inhabitants of this planet, we also need to make intelligent choices, and be sure we have solved the major problems we have before we react in a crisis manor. Do we have the right technology today to transition to all electric cars? Based on how things went over the winter, I'd say that's a negative ghost rider. And being from the way, way north, you should take very good notes on that one. Is our infrastructure able to deal with those changes today? Again, negative. If that's the direction we need to go, then a lot of work has to be done first and foremost, long before we mandate anything. the term 'putting the cart before the horse' comes to mind.

And lastly (not ignoring other answers, but working on the big ones) Equity as it stands today, is racism multiplied by a lot. A meritocracy where the most talented people are chosen for the most important positions is how you have the most effective system. Will there be some who just don't make the cut? Sure will. And they will have to find their place and accept that they won't be the head of a corporation or leading a nation. Not everyone is cut out for every job. But I do believe that everyone has value and if given the right circumstances, will find what they both love to do, and are good at. Some may not, due to many reasons, but not because of their appearance as much as because of their ability. We progress as a society by moving forward, and making things better. And rewarding apathy will not get is to a better place. IMHO.

Again, thanks for the conversation and I do hope that we can all start to talk TO each other more rather than AT each other.