Judge rules Trump ineligible to appear on Illinois ballot under 14th Amendment

a reply to: some_stupid_name

The excuse for that is a bunch of counts all got updated at a certain time. You’re going to have to do better than that to convince me “Stop The Steal” was not a false campaign.

originally posted by: JadedGhost
a reply to: DBCowboy

How many state supreme courts have to establish he is in fact guilty of insurrection for you to accept it?

Obviously more than 3… lol.

Just because a liberal court in a state thinks something is so does not make it so. In this country we actually have due process and you have to present facts. The fact is the man told people to go home and he wasnt even in the location. The only person armed were the guards escorting people inside the building. This was nothing more than a guided tour that got out of hand. Not to mention the fact that the only person that fired a shot was the guard killing an unarmed woman. Give me a break. If the conservatives wanted to start an insurrection you better believe we are armed and it would have gone off without a hitch.

a reply to: Station27

I notice you failed to address his pursuit of happiness. Why is that?

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Because the pursuit of happiness isn't necessary for Due Process to kick in, according to the 5th and the 14th Amendments.

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The states represent the people. As you know, these cases were brought before the state courts by the voters on behalf of their right to have a ballot free of insurrectionists.

That statement is a flat out lie. I live in the state of Illinois and we voters didn't bring any such thing to be voted on. It was just those Liberal Lunatics up in Chicago that brought it forward. Now refute that!

Sigh...

Cook County Circuit Judge Tracie Porter sided with Illinois voters who argued that the former president should be disqualified from the state's March 19 primary ballot and its Nov. 5 general election ballot for violating the anti-insurrection clause of the U.S. Constitution's 14th Amendment.
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The advocacy group Free Speech For People, which spearheaded the Illinois disqualification effort, praised the ruling as a "historic victory" in a statement.

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: Asher47

Starting a false campaign that he won the election qualifies as an insurrection.

You deflect by bringing up BLM.

originally posted by: ByeByeAmericanPie
a reply to: some_stupid_name

The excuse for that is a bunch of counts all got updated at a certain time. You’re going to have to do better than that to convince me “Stop The Steal” was not a false campaign.

No one here is obligated to convince you of anything.


If your ideas are better, theyll win out

If they are problematic, inconsistent or illogical, that too will show.

Kind of like your understanding of the 14th amendment. Sec 3 doesnt exist in a vacuum, it remains in context of the other sections.

In the greater context of the Constitution which tells the government what they cannot do.....like remove rights and liberty without due process for example....

originally posted by: [post=27315612]Sookiechacha
If The People, through their states, can't keep their states' electoral votes safe from insurrectionists, who can? The DOJ, that's part of the Executive Branch and led by a political appointee? Congress?

This is great. I will answer this question. Here is how you keep your electoral votes safe. You vote for who you think will be the better candidate. If that is not Donald Trump due to some made up bias charges of insurrection which were already dismissed at the federal level then so be it but the facts are that is how our system works. If you do not like the candidate on the ballot you vote for the other guy. If more people vote for the guy you dont like that hurt your feelings then so be it. THAT IS HOW THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WORKS. It is his right as a citizen of this nation to run for president. He has not been convicted of anything and the system is set up in a way so that states cannot in bias decide who they want to keep from running. It is not up to them who runs for president. We look like f'ing third world country pulling this crap.

originally posted by: ByeByeAmericanPie
a reply to: xuenchen

First y’all blame the FBI for staging the insurrection to frame Trump

Now y’all want to trust the FBI in their declaration that there was no insurrection.

Well the point is actually quite clear. Trump lost the election. But he declared he won, and fired up his supporters to protest the election certification. So unless you can prove he won, he clearly incited insurrection.

Pretty sure most of us could care less if Trump said he won or not. We saw what happened and most of us smelled the bull#. It was a complete and utter mess and left too many questions. You cant honestly say you thought everything looked on the up and up about that election and anyone would have done the same. Too much was on the line for him to just sit and say oh well shucks, guess I lost.

a reply to: TheTardis2

It is his right as a citizen of this nation to run for president.

Not according to the 14th Amendment.

He has not been convicted of anything

The 14th A, Section 3 says nothing about a conviction. Donald Trump was impeached by The House of Representatives for inciting an insurrection. (He was acquitted based on the fact that he was NOT the President of the United States at the time of the Senate trial, as his lawyers argued, and the Constitution doesn't allow the impeachment of a private citizen, according to Mitch McConnell.)

The Jan 6th Committee and the House impeachment was the evidence that the states of Colorado, Maine and now Illinois used to come to their rulings.

the system is set up in a way so that states cannot in bias decide who they want to keep from running.

The USA is "set up" so that insurrectionists may not run/serve. We have yet to see how SCOTUS rules on states' rights regarding the 14th Amendment disqualification. However, we are here now because a whole bunch of consequential people disagree with you.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The Supreme Court of the land will tell all those states, and the citizens in America who support those rash decisions to exclude Trump from specific ballots, to go fuk themselves.

a reply to: JinMI

So I guess "Unknown Candidate" will win by a large margin again.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If someone is acquitted of murder, they aren't a murderer.....(no matter how much someone wants them to be)

How can someone who was acquitted of "insurrection" still be an "insurrectionist"?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

The 14th A, Section 3 says nothing about a conviction.

Section 5 does


Is there an echo in here?

originally posted by: ByeByeAmericanPie
a reply to: randomtangentsrme

The election results, and DJT’s failure to contest those results legally, trumps the fiat of the commander in chief to oppose the election results.

Going by your logic, any president can declare war whenever they lose an election, and be immune from prosecution.

I think they call that a banana republic…

You should probably check and see how many previous presidents have questioned election results. Trump did not "declare war". I think you have been watching too much cnn. He questioned the election results and he questioned why others in his party and in government were turning a blind eye to what appeared to be a very iffy election after 4 years of being gone after. Check the list of those that questioned the results. Did you know that Hillary did exactly the same thing? She still to this day says the 2016 election was stolen.

I don’t know if anybody has posted judge porter’s actual current job but it’s quite funny that she would do what she did considering….

“Judge Porter currently sits in the Traffic Division in the Richard J. Daley Center in downtown Chicago, where she presides over minor traffic violations and Class A Misdemeanor matters.”
“Immediately prior to her appointment, Judge Porter practiced law in her own firm Tracie R. Porter, P.C. In her law practice, she represented clients in both transactional and litigation in matters involving business contracts, residential and commercial real estate, estate planning, probate, entertainment law and fashion law.”
www.cookcountydems.com...

A traffic court judge who specializes in fashion law. LoL
You cannot make this up 🤣

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: JinMI

So I guess "Unknown Candidate" will win by a large margin again.

I think if we're allowing democracy to prevail, Giant Meteor would win in a landslide.

a reply to: TheTardis2


Yeeh and even the guy who was hired by Trump torches the stolen election claims .


The man Trump 'hired to find fraudulent votes' torches stolen election claims


Trump hired me to find election fraud in Arizona. Here's what I found instead

a reply to: Kenzo

"Another astonishing and undeniable trend emerged when I compared the 2016 and 2020 election results," he argued. "In most of Arizona’s counties, Trump’s share of the vote declined in 2020 relative to 2016. That includes what I define as red counties because Trump won there in 2016 and 2020. A majority of Arizona’s 10 red counties saw a drop in Trump’s vote share in 2020."

So to rephrase, Trump lost the election because he got fewer votes.

.....k, thanks Kamala.


That wasn't the point and purpose of his job however.....


Why don't you like Trump now? He gave Ukraine Javelins......

originally posted by: Vermilion

I don’t know if anybody has posted judge porter’s actual current job but it’s quite funny that she would do what she did considering….

“Judge Porter currently sits in the Traffic Division in the Richard J. Daley Center in downtown Chicago, where she presides over minor traffic violations and Class A Misdemeanor matters.”
“Immediately prior to her appointment, Judge Porter practiced law in her own firm Tracie R. Porter, P.C. In her law practice, she represented clients in both transactional and litigation in matters involving business contracts, residential and commercial real estate, estate planning, probate, entertainment law and fashion law.”
www.cookcountydems.com...

A traffic court judge who specializes in fashion law. LoL
You cannot make this up 🤣

Like I said at the top of this thread, judge Porter is nothing but a product of affirmative action designed for people of color who are not very smart.

It took her 2 months after Colorado, to realize she too could get a sliver of spotlight, by removing Donald Trump from the Illinois ballot.

Dumb Grandstanding Heifer.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

The 14th A, Section 3 says nothing about a conviction.

Section 5 does


Is there an echo in here?

"The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

Trump was impeached and charged with insurrection, but was acquitted. Case closed.