Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: andy06shake

What I'm trying to say is, there's gradients of dumb in our society and creationism is on the less punishing end of that scale.

Dumb it is, given the evidence to the contrary.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Venkuish1
Are you challenging the Bible?

You must be new here. I do it all the time.

The Bible is the word of God after all.

My statement stands.
The bible is not the sole authority on Who God is or what He has done.

The Bible is the word of God according to Christians. You must have your own version but there is nothing in the Bible about science and evidence. Christianity is based on religious dogma that requires blind faith.


As I said in page5 the Bible preaches creationism in relation to

1) The origins of humans
2) The origins of life
3) The origin of Earth
4) The origin of the Universe.

Actually the Bible is all about creationism at all levels. Unless you don't want to accept the Bible is the word of God.

That poll sample was only 1000 people across the country. Really not significant given the population is about 240M.

This article is more accurate in its analysis I think:

Study: Evolution now accepted by majority of Americans

news.umich.edu...

The level of public acceptance of evolution in the United States is now solidly above the halfway mark, according to a new study based on a series of national public opinion surveys conducted over the last 35 years.

“From 1985 to 2010, there was a statistical dead heat between acceptance and rejection of evolution,” said lead researcher Jon D. Miller of the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan. “But acceptance then surged, becoming the majority position in 2016.”

Examining data over 35 years, the study consistently identified aspects of education—civic science literacy, taking college courses in science and having a college degree—as the strongest factors leading to the acceptance of evolution.

“Almost twice as many Americans held a college degree in 2018 as in 1988,” said co-author Mark Ackerman, a researcher at Michigan Engineering, the U-M School of Information and Michigan Medicine. “It’s hard to earn a college degree without acquiring at least a little respect for the success of science.”

Education is really the key here. Unfortunately, in the United States, science is given a relatively low priority in public schools. Some schools, like Oregon, don't even require basic mathematics. The proportion the of the population ignorant in the sciences is increasing. The Creationist crowd generally comes from below the Mason Dixon Line where evangelicals and other Christian sects construct their own interpretation of the Bible and science.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
The Bible is the word of God according to Christians.

The Bible is the word of God ... but it is not all to be read as literal history. Christian fundamentalists (Baptists, Church of Christ, etc) tend to read it all as literal history. But most Christians do not. Most of Christianity does not believe that snakes literally spoke, that Noahs flood destroyed the Earth, that language developed from the Tower of Babel, that Jonah was swallowed by a whale and lived in it for three days, etc etc. It is the 'word of God' as in all of it is inspired by God, but that doesn't mean to read it all as literal. Different Christians believe different things about the bible and how it is to be read.

You must have your own version but there is nothing in the Bible about science and evidence.

True

Christianity is based on religious dogma that requires blind faith.

True

originally posted by: Phantom42338
That poll sample was only 1000 people across the country. Really not significant given the population is about 240M.

This article is more accurate in its analysis I think:

Study: Evolution now accepted by majority of Americans

news.umich.edu...

The level of public acceptance of evolution in the United States is now solidly above the halfway mark, according to a new study based on a series of national public opinion surveys conducted over the last 35 years.

“From 1985 to 2010, there was a statistical dead heat between acceptance and rejection of evolution,” said lead researcher Jon D. Miller of the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan. “But acceptance then surged, becoming the majority position in 2016.”

Examining data over 35 years, the study consistently identified aspects of education—civic science literacy, taking college courses in science and having a college degree—as the strongest factors leading to the acceptance of evolution.

“Almost twice as many Americans held a college degree in 2018 as in 1988,” said co-author Mark Ackerman, a researcher at Michigan Engineering, the U-M School of Information and Michigan Medicine. “It’s hard to earn a college degree without acquiring at least a little respect for the success of science.”

Education is really the key here. Unfortunately, in the United States, science is given a relatively low priority in public schools. Some schools, like Oregon, don't even require basic mathematics. The proportion the of the population ignorant in the sciences is increasing. The Creationist crowd generally comes from below the Mason Dixon Line where evangelicals and other Christian sects construct their own interpretation of the Bible and science.

I have already stated the sample is small but the results very worrying. I have linked another poll showing similar trends in my OP.

The reality is that a large number of adults don't accept evolution at all no matter what study and survey you look at.

In the survey I linked 37% didn't accept evolution at all and 24% said they accept it but it was God who directed and keeps directing the process. You need to consider this percentage of the public that relates evolution to supernatural causes.

a reply to: Venkuish1

The real shocker ..and i havent read the responses yet,.. is how many people in this thread who will equate
"Creationism" with "chrisianity" while ignoring all other religions on the planet

And even some other ideas like simulation theories and directed evolution of planets

What a silly group of people some cults are

a reply to: Venkuish1


I don't think the results reflect anything we didn't know already. As I said, education is key. What proportion of the 1000 had a decent science education? How many came from the evangelical community?

At the end of the day, I don't think believing or not believing in evolution has any impact on society as a whole. American culture is primarily Christian. And the Christians have so many sects it's hard to keep up with them. Everybody creates their own narrative. And that's fine as long as they don't impose it on everyone else. That can be a problem in some states where the elected officials want to impose their values on everyone else.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Believe it or not, there are still kids out there with enough common sense to question why monkeys are still living among humans if humans evolved from monkeys. But hey, it's your choice to believe you evolved out of a monkey lol.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: nugget1
There's an increasing distrust of 'the science' these days, and not without reason. When academia partners with government 'the facts' can get muddy as they're mixed in with agenda.

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That's something very different to what I am describing. Creationism is not a modern view of the origin of humans or the world and the universe. Evolution is a fact and not a product of corrupt science/scientists.

Evolution is a theory, just like the Big Bang.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

Believe it or not, there are still kids out there with enough common sense to question why monkeys are still living among humans if humans evolved from monkeys. But hey, it's your choice to believe you evolved out of a monkey lol.

Can you please point to a biology textbook that says that humans came from monkeys. You don't understand evolution. Evolution is about speciation, not one species turning into another. When a population is isolated and cannot mate with the previous population, it is now a new species. They may be related genetically but they are a different species.

You don't understand "theory" either. Look it up.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: nugget1
There's an increasing distrust of 'the science' these days, and not without reason. When academia partners with government 'the facts' can get muddy as they're mixed in with agenda.

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That's something very different to what I am describing. Creationism is not a modern view of the origin of humans or the world and the universe. Evolution is a fact and not a product of corrupt science/scientists.

I guess since I am not at all familiar with you and you start stating stuff as absolute scientific fact I would like to know how you feel about other science facts so I can judge how smart you are.

Are MRNA jabs scientifically proven safe ? And can men have babies?

If your answer to either is yes then creationism it is.

Evolution is a fact and not a speculation.
You give vibes of a religious person by including the word 'absolute' next to 'fact'. Religious people like to use the phrases absolute truth, absolute fact, absolute morality. Classical arguments.

So you're here to tell us that the Theory of Evolution isn't a theory, right?

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
I dont care what people think I feel instinctively like there is more to it . And I trust my instinct.

Evolution does not disprove a creator at all . Maybe our creator planned evolution

That's what 24% in the survey answered. No evidence there was a creator by the way. All physical and biochemical processes have natural causes. There is none having supernatural causes.

Us living in a simulation is more likely than evolution

These statements show why the problem begins in the educational system imo.

You keep mentioning the education system and then, without skipping a beat, try to tell us that a theory is a fact.

Listen... True story.

There was ice in Greenland. Maybe it was Scotland? I can't remember which. Either way, the moral of the story remains:

They had "dated" the ice to be hundreds of thousands of years old; however, there was a ww2 plane that was found hundreds of feet underneath this "ancient" ice. Dated ice. Scientifically sound, methodically dated ice.

Basically, I think the issue at hand is that science, especially when it comes to carbon dating and any other sort of dating, is complete BS.

I think it's easy to believe in the spaghetti sky monster and Cthulhu when the "accepted" science is still questionable at best.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
I dont care what people think I feel instinctively like there is more to it . And I trust my instinct.

Evolution does not disprove a creator at all . Maybe our creator planned evolution

That's what 24% in the survey answered. No evidence there was a creator by the way. All physical and biochemical processes have natural causes. There is none having supernatural causes.

Us living in a simulation is more likely than evolution

These statements show why the problem begins in the educational system imo.

You keep mentioning the education system and then, without skipping a beat, try to tell us that a theory is a fact.

You don't really understand what scientific theory means just as another poster you.

Here is a peer reviewed scientific publication that you should have a look at but first you should start with basic definitions. I am repeating myself but every religionist and creationist makes the same erroneous arguments without even reading what has been said earlier and learn from these mistakes of your fellow creationists/religionists.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary theory explains more than observations, as the succession on the fossil record. Hence, evolution is also the scientific theory that embodies biology, including all organisms and their characteristics. In this paper, we emphasize why evolution is the most important theory in biology. Evolution explains every biological detail, similar to how history explains many aspects of a current political situation. Only evolution explains the patterns observed in the fossil record. Examples include the succession in the fossil record; we cannot find the easily fossilized mammals before 300 million years ago; after the extinction of the dinosaurs, the fossil record indicates that mammals and birds radiated throughout the planet. Additionally, the fact that we are able to construct fairly consistent phylogenetic trees using distinct genetic markers in the genome is only explained by evolutionary theory. Finally, we show that the processes that drive evolution, both on short and long time scales, are observable facts

Look it up on what a scientific theory means because you are confused.

a reply to: andy06shake

The problem is, in order to "pop in and out of existance" you have to have 2 things that, as far as we can tell, didnt exist before the "big bang"

Namely
1. Space (a place to pop in and out of existance)
2. Time (to actually give distinction to "in and out"

The Universe has not existed forever. It was born. Around 13.82 billion years ago, matter, energy, space – and time – erupted into being in a fireball called the Big Bang.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: nugget1
There's an increasing distrust of 'the science' these days, and not without reason. When academia partners with government 'the facts' can get muddy as they're mixed in with agenda.

.
That's something very different to what I am describing. Creationism is not a modern view of the origin of humans or the world and the universe. Evolution is a fact and not a product of corrupt science/scientists.

Evolution is a theory, just like the Big Bang.

Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. If you think a scientific theory is some kind of speculation based on beliefs or a speculation broadly speaking.

And we didn't evolve from the monkeys. I see you are asking yourself the same ridiculous questions other creationists have been asking over various threads.

'if we evolved from the monkeys then why don't monkeys evolve to become humans'

This is why the educational system has been failing for a number of years.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

Believe it or not, there are still kids out there with enough common sense to question why monkeys are still living among humans if humans evolved from monkeys. But hey, it's your choice to believe you evolved out of a monkey lol.

I accept it and question a lot the ability of the the educational system to do what is supposed to do. Clearly it has been failing the students.

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: Venkuish1

The real shocker ..and i havent read the responses yet,.. is how many people in this thread who will equate
"Creationism" with "chrisianity" while ignoring all other religions on the planet

And even some other ideas like simulation theories and directed evolution of planets

What a silly group of people some cults are

No I don't.

It's just that most creationists here seem to be Christians. All Abrahamic religions for example argue the same nonsense.

a reply to: Venkuish1

The people who woukd either teache "facts" or attempt to shame someone into agreeing with them have all utterly destroyed their credibility in other ways. That's called "the consequences of your actions." Maybe they'll teach that in schools someday to but, until, congratulations on learning on your own! Just kidding, I had to tell you

what i have a problem with evolution is,

what kinda self respecting single cell / group of cells decides they want to become an anus.