Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: pennylane123
I think people who do every thing they can to disprove a god are mostly immoral people who are afraid they might be judged .

But like I said eventually were all saying "well god if you are really up there I need you". So nobody is really 100% convinced there isnt one no matter what they tell ya

I don't see anyone trying to disprove God. I see people saying they see no evidence.

We aren't all saying " well God if you are really up there I need you".

You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Thank God !

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
I think people who do every thing they can to disprove a god are mostly immoral people who are afraid they might be judged .

But like I said eventually were all saying "well god if you are really up there I need you". So nobody is really 100% convinced there isnt one no matter what they tell ya

Nobody tried to disprove God.

Most importantly the burden of proof is on those who make the claims about God and creationism via supernatural intervention.

You need strong evidence and proof for these claims. You only have religious belief in the absence of any evidence.

you said this

Creationism in relation to the origin of humans is the outdated and debunked religious view that humans are not products of the evolutionary process but they were created by a supernatural force through divine creation and this is contrary to all the evidence we have and by completely dismissing and disregarding facts and science altogether.

you are trying very hard to disprove and call religious people dumb . And all of your other posts. And you still havnt answered whether you think the jabs safe But Im guessing I know why Because you trust the science

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: pennylane123
I think people who do every thing they can to disprove a god are mostly immoral people who are afraid they might be judged .

But like I said eventually were all saying "well god if you are really up there I need you". So nobody is really 100% convinced there isnt one no matter what they tell ya

I don't see anyone trying to disprove God. I see people saying they see no evidence.

We aren't all saying " well God if you are really up there I need you".

You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Thank God !

The other guy has said it many times that creationism is debunked . Like I said probably just immoral people wanting to do immoral things with no repercussions.

Which BTW I dont think there are going to be any

Yes!

Creationism had no leg to stand on as I here is no evidence whatsoever humans were created via supernatural intervention.

I didn't claim anything I just stated facts.
Evolution is a fact.

I know you tried to dismiss this paper based on your erroneous interpretations about the NIH but here it is again (stating facts)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary theory explains more than observations, as the succession on the fossil record. Hence, evolution is also the scientific theory that embodies biology, including all organisms and their characteristics. In this paper, we emphasize why evolution is the most important theory in biology. Evolution explains every biological detail, similar to how history explains many aspects of a current political situation. Only evolution explains the patterns observed in the fossil record. Examples include the succession in the fossil record; we cannot find the easily fossilized mammals before 300 million years ago; after the extinction of the dinosaurs, the fossil record indicates that mammals and birds radiated throughout the planet. Additionally, the fact that we are able to construct fairly consistent phylogenetic trees using distinct genetic markers in the genome is only explained by evolutionary theory. Finally, we show that the processes that drive evolution, both on short and long time scales, are observable facts.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
I think people who do every thing they can to disprove a god are mostly immoral people who are afraid they might be judged .

But like I said eventually were all saying "well god if you are really up there I need you". So nobody is really 100% convinced there isnt one no matter what they tell ya

Nobody tried to disprove God.

Most importantly the burden of proof is on those who make the claims about God and creationism via supernatural intervention.

You need strong evidence and proof for these claims. You only have religious belief in the absence of any evidence.

you said this

Creationism in relation to the origin of humans is the outdated and debunked religious view that humans are not products of the evolutionary process but they were created by a supernatural force through divine creation and this is contrary to all the evidence we have and by completely dismissing and disregarding facts and science altogether.

you are trying very hard to disprove and call religious people dumb . And all of your other posts. And you still havnt answered whether you think the jabs safe But Im guessing I know why

Creationism has no leg to stand on.
No evidence for the claims made in its favour. That's a fact. What I said above is correct.

The jabs have nothing to do with the conversation.
Whataboutism isn't a good tactic in these threads.

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
I think people who do every thing they can to disprove a god are mostly immoral people who are afraid they might be judged .

But like I said eventually were all saying "well god if you are really up there I need you". So nobody is really 100% convinced there isnt one no matter what they tell ya

Nobody tried to disprove God.

Most importantly the burden of proof is on those who make the claims about God and creationism via supernatural intervention.

You need strong evidence and proof for these claims. You only have religious belief in the absence of any evidence.

you said this

Creationism in relation to the origin of humans is the outdated and debunked religious view that humans are not products of the evolutionary process but they were created by a supernatural force through divine creation and this is contrary to all the evidence we have and by completely dismissing and disregarding facts and science altogether.

you are trying very hard to disprove and call religious people dumb . And all of your other posts. And you still havnt answered whether you think the jabs safe But Im guessing I know why

Creationism has no leg to stand on.
No evidence for the claims made in its favour. That's a fact. What I said above is correct.

The jabs have nothing to do with the conversation.
Whataboutism isn't a good tactic in these threads.

So that means you just blindly trust the science or whatever they put in their papers .

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

So are you 100% sure god does not exist?

originally posted by: pennylane123
Evolution does not disprove a creator at all . Maybe our creator planned evolution

^^ That. God can use whatever means He wants to create anything He wants.

And there is nothing 'shocking' about this poll. That is hyperbole.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
There are just assertions without any evidence to support them.

I think what others are trying to say is that you keep asserting that creationism has been "debunked," but you haven't provided any evidence to support your assertion. How does that make your claims any more valid than theirs? Maybe if you did provide some proof, it might help others to be more likely to listen to you?

originally posted by: Station27

originally posted by: Venkuish1
There are just assertions without any evidence to support them.

I think what others are trying to say is that you keep asserting that creationism has been "debunked," but you haven't provided any evidence to support your assertion. How does that make your claims any more valid than theirs? Maybe if you did provide some proof, it might help others to be more likely to listen to you?

Maybe you need to read my posts if you haven't done yet. I also recommend basic high school science

I didn't made any claims but I just stated facts.

Evolution is a fact. It is proven. Creationism is an outdated and debunked religious view, that's also a fact, and evolution has proven wrong the claims made by creationists and religionists.

If you think I need to provide evidence for a proven fact (evolution) then you have missed a lot of your science lessons or you didn't pay attention at all and that's what happens quite frequently.

Creationists and religionists never provided any evidence in support of creationism. It was just a religious belief and remains a religious belief in the absence of any evidence and that's why it is a belief.

What a few others have said are nothing more than attempts to justify their creationist views. Something they always do. The burden of proof is on them if they want to justify their beliefs. Nobody has to disprove their religious beliefs, this is an absurd proposition.

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

So are you 100% sure god does not exist?

There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of a supernatural creator.

Creationism - Man was made in Gods image - has been well and truly debunked.
Its staggering to think that some people still believe this nonsense.

Intelligent design?
I don't know.
Is there some omniscient, omnipotent, guiding hand that has designed the universe for some unfathomable purpose?
There's nothing to prove it just as there's nothing to disprove it - possibly one of the reasons I'm agnostic.

Based on all scientific and observable evidence available at present evolution is by far the best explanation we have.
There is an absolute mountain of evidence that suggests The Theory of Evolution is correct.
Do we know everything?
Most definitely not, which is why science is constantly questioning itself and the evidence and seeking to increase our knowledge and understanding of it.

Personally I prefer to put more belief in the constantly developing scientific process than blind faith in dogma and the unknowable.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: pennylane123
Evolution does not disprove a creator at all . Maybe our creator planned evolution

^^ That. God can use whatever means He wants to create anything He wants.

And there is nothing 'shocking' about this poll. That is hyperbole.

It is shocking as it's a huge number of adults who seems not to have basic scientific knowledge in the 21st century.

37% don't accept evolution at all.

Around 24% believe in evolution but that it was directed by God. This is contrary to what is written in the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible says anything about evolution but about creation purely on the basis of divine supernatural intervention.

originally posted by: nugget1
There's an increasing distrust of 'the science' these days, and not without reason. When academia partners with government 'the facts' can get muddy as they're mixed in with agenda.

The same goes for religion. I am a non believer, but intrinsically I am for anyone believing whatever they want as long as they don't try to preach to me.
Once the leeches get into any movement, it isn't nice any longer but used for manipulation.

Science isn't a belief though. It's a method, clearly structured to avoid belief and find truths without bias.
Anyone using the word or methods to gain power or money instantly renders it completely unscientific.

Therefore you can still trust science, it's sound and the best method we have to find out truths. Just don't trust those who abuse it.

If you say you can't trust science you have already become a minion of the leeches.

So 37% of Americans are religious nut jobs. Shocker.

Proof the education system is failing.

Oh and leave children's penis' alone.

a reply to: Venkuish1

The truth is usually found where you find overlaps in the diffrent narratives. If you take the Bible as a scientific attempt to explain the reality we observe, but with a lack of scientific vocabulary it's actually an interesting read.
When you think outside the box, a purely materialistic worldview has created for you, you'll realize that lots of it could be interpreted with modern science.
Obviously you'll not see any of that when you can't acknowledge the truth of mind over matter, and think in purely materialistic terms.

Do species evolve? They most certainly do, but the evolution theory as postulated by Darwin is most likely just as wrong about the origins of life like the one postulated in the Bible.

There are to many unknown dynamics at work to make definite decisions as to what's truly happening when change occurs.

a reply to: Venkuish1

I would suggest visiting school more often may help dispel such lunacy.

Then again I'm led to believe some of the educational establishments also embrace the crack pot concept.

Pretending you know something that you don't know isn't science, it's ignorance.

Provide an example where something came from nothing, I'll wait...

Explain the Law of Biogenesis and why you think we should set aside all the data. Science, right?

No matter what your belief system is, or lack thereof, you don't know sh#t, k?

Science, my ass...

a reply to: MykeNukem

provide an example where something came from nothing, I'll wait...

I suppose virtual particles appearing and disappearing in empty space may tick that box due to the uncertainty principle.

In quantum field theory, it's proposed that space is not truly empty but rather filled with constantly fluctuating virtual particles that pop in and out of existence all the time.