Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

Those aren't facts, lol

Yep we shouldn't be following the scientific developments but the online conspiracy theories and outdated archaic debunked worldviews. I don't know if it's going to work but let's try it.

Makes more sense than unproven theories.

a reply to: LSU2018

Mate if we dont calm it down to a frenzy rather soon we may well do it with a nuclear war.

We cannot stop change or the pace at which technology is progressing, to do so is to stagnate and die on the proverbial vine.

Humanity adapts and overcomes.......but can we summit the human condition?

We are our own worst enemy, especially so in large groups.

If nature or we ourselves manage to spawn humanity 2.0 with little to none of the short comings that plague the present iteration of humans, so be it.

"It is done"

And we will have had our time to shine under the sun.

He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.

a reply to: LSU2018

Maybe you mean sprites?

originally posted by: Venkuish1

My understanding is that schools are not doing what they suppose to be doing by teaching kids facts and basic science and by making sure kids are able to distinguish between reality and fiction.

Who cares... There are many layers to it from Intelligent design to the earth/universe is only 6000 years old. I bet of that 37% is mainly intelligent design.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

You buy into peer reviewed scientific articles that tell you how to think. You're upset at anyone in this thread who dares refute what you claim.

Nobody has refuted evolution if you haven't realised it.

The peer reviewed process is one of the most important in science. Imagine you want to replace it with wild claims and beliefs in the supernatural world?!

Imagine you can't accept my beliefs because it pains you tremendously to do so. I couldn't care less what you personally believe in, you need to understand that just because you do, doesn't mean everyone else will. This forum may provide you the soapbox you desire, but we're not all here to follow along with your bad takes and false science. That's all on you.

The aim of this thread has been achieved and in the so many pages I have shown clearly the survey it's likely to reveal similar results if the sample is much larger. A good number of adults and I suppose kids disregard completely basic scientific facts.

What's your conclusion? Hundreds of replies, dozens of posters' opinions, and only 7 flags?

Honestly, probably alphabet employee making lists.

originally posted by: theatreboy

And there is no evidence nothing existed and then 2 things collided and created everything, either. Actually, intellectually those events in that order make no sense.

The problem with intelligent design is it creates a chicken or egg dilemma.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You are "unsaved trash".

Apparently:

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originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

Those aren't facts, lol

Yep we shouldn't be following the scientific developments but the online conspiracy theories and outdated archaic debunked worldviews. I don't know if it's going to work but let's try it.

Makes more sense than unproven theories.

Evolution is a scientific theory and it's a fact regardless of personal opinion.

There is an entire scientific field that works on evolution. I am sure that if you have the evidence you can write your scientific papers and disprove the 'massive deception' of evolution.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

You buy into peer reviewed scientific articles that tell you how to think. You're upset at anyone in this thread who dares refute what you claim.

Nobody has refuted evolution if you haven't realised it.

The peer reviewed process is one of the most important in science. Imagine you want to replace it with wild claims and beliefs in the supernatural world?!

Imagine you can't accept my beliefs because it pains you tremendously to do so. I couldn't care less what you personally believe in, you need to understand that just because you do, doesn't mean everyone else will. This forum may provide you the soapbox you desire, but we're not all here to follow along with your bad takes and false science. That's all on you.

The aim of this thread has been achieved and in the so many pages I have shown clearly the survey it's likely to reveal similar results if the sample is much larger. A good number of adults and I suppose kids disregard completely basic scientific facts.

What's your conclusion? Hundreds of replies, dozens of posters' opinions, and only 7 flags?

.

Same as before.

A large number of adults don't have even the basic knowledge in science. We can extend it to a number of fields and areas.

Lack of education and failure of the educational system. Shocking

I think this would be the appropriate time to add this:

Three scientists challenged God saying that they could create man. "Our science has advanced enough where we can do what you did with Adam," said one scientist. So God reached down for some dirt and created a man right in front of their eyes. The scientists, in their turn, reached down to get some dirt, but God said, "Get your own dirt."

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: randomuser2034

originally posted by: Venkuish1
a reply to: randomuser2034

What is scientifically accurate?
That the planet and its inhabitants were created in six days or all the other claims made about life, different species, the planet and the 'heavens'...

Many Christians don't even accept the claims made in the Bible just like another poster who has replied to me in the last page.

There are no heavens by the way.
The works wasn't created in six days. These are false and debunked religious beliefs.

I debunked everything you just said in my post above. You didn't even take the time to give it a cursory glance. As your question was already answered before you asked.

And that is how sincere you are.

The world wasn't created in six days... That's what we mean a debunked claim.

Evidence?

2nd

Evidence for what?

The world wasn't created in six days together with its inhabitants (humans and animals). By world we mean earth and the 'heavens'

What evidence is there the world was created in six days. Who believes in these stories in the 21st century??

Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universe 13.8 billion years old. Did you miss your science lessons at school or you didn't attend at all?

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

Those aren't facts, lol

You do understand the world wasn't created in six days?

No I don't, and neither do you. Unless you hop in a time machine that can take to the very beginning, you will never know how or when the world and universe were created. You can only believe what science tells you, those are your beliefs.

Ooh the irony.

You answered me twice and I reply twice then.

No th world wasn't created in six days.

See post above.

education.nationalgeographic.org...

Earth is estimated to be 4.54 billion years old, plus or minus about 50 million years. Scientists have scoured the Earth searching for the oldest rocks to radiometrically date. In northwestern Canada, they discovered rocks about 4.03 billion years old. Then, in Australia, they discovered minerals about 4.3 billion years old. Researchers know that rocks are continuously recycling, due to the rock cycle, so they continued to search for data elsewhere.

a reply to: Venkuish1

I've been watching this thread from the beginning and I have to say you are quite irritating to watch. You're so arrogant and you talk down to people like you're some authority but you just keep saying the same things over and over again without ever actually providing anything of any real substance.

"You don't understand the difference belief and fact"
"You lack a basic understanding of science"
"[insert scientific dogma here] is scientific fact"

Buddy, the fact that you even use the phrase "scientific fact" is the greatest indication that YOU understand neither science nor facts. Here's something for you to wrap your brain around.
Science. Does. Not. Deal. In. Facts.
Science CANNOT deal in facts by the very nature of science itself. Facts are, by definition, immutable. As information changes, scientific explanations for phenomena changes. If scientific explanations for phenomena change then they CANNOT be facts BY DEFINITION.

Now I am in no way trying to diminish the value of science, but science is a process of questioning things and discovery. Facts cannot be questioned. The best explanation science can come up with for a certain phenomenon may be able to accurately predict the behavior of that phenomenon in 99.9999999999999% of cases, but that doesn't make that explanation fact and doesn't mean that there isn't a better explanation.

Your behavior is a perfect example of why people are starting to call people like you cultists. You pray at the altar of "science", but you've totally lost your ability to actually understand what science is and what it does. You've forgotten one of the most important tenets of science. Question things.
Evolution is not fact. Is it extremely likely that the theory of evolution correctly explains the processes? Yes. Is it possible that it isn't correct? Absolutely. There is no way to prove it.

Your shock and awe at the fact that a not insignificant percentage of the population believes that reality didn't just spontaneously coalesce out of the aether and/or that some entity/consciousness/being may have had a hand in making life come into being or reality exist as it is today is much less and indication of their education or lack thereof and much more and indication of your fundamental lack of understanding of what science is really about. And the great thing is that there are a not insignificant number of people who hold that belief that are much much more intelligent than you are.

Humble yourself. It will do you some good.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The problem with intelligent design is it creates a chicken or egg dilemma.

How so? Did God create babies? Or did He create men and women with the ability to produce babies? I know which answer is given in the Bible.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

But there is no evidence of the creator to have been talking about and no evidence he create the universe. This is a religious belief.

It is claimed in the Bible the world was created in six days but that's false. Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.8 billion years old.

You said your creator can do it in six days. But there is nothing to support this idea. On the contrary the six day creation has been debunked long time ago.

And there is no evidence nothing existed and then 2 things collided and created everything, either. Actually, intellectually those events in that order make no sense.

You don't make much sense in this post.

The religious claim in the Bible is false. The world wasn't created in six days. Start with this basis information and then we can discuss other things. You seem confused.

science.nasa.gov...#:~:text=When%20the%20solar%20system%20settled,third%20planet%20from%20the%20Sun.

When the solar system settled into its current layout about 4.5 billion years ago, Earth formed when gravity pulled swirling gas and dust in to become the third planet from the Sun. Like its fellow terrestrial planets, Earth has a central core, a rocky mantle, and a solid crust.

a reply to: FlyersFan

that creationism is

a belief that God, in some way, created everything.

is false. no "God" is needed for creation

originally posted by: MrGashler
a reply to: Venkuish1

I've been watching this thread from the beginning and I have to say you are quite irritating to watch. You're so arrogant and you talk down to people like you're some authority but you just keep saying the same things over and over again without ever actually providing anything of any real substance.

"You don't understand the difference belief and fact"
"You lack a basic understanding of science"
"[insert scientific dogma here] is scientific fact"

Buddy, the fact that you even use the phrase "scientific fact" is the greatest indication that YOU understand neither science nor facts. Here's something for you to wrap your brain around.
Science. Does. Not. Deal. In. Facts.
Science CANNOT deal in facts by the very nature of science itself. Facts are, by definition, immutable. As information changes, scientific explanations for phenomena changes. If scientific explanations for phenomena change then they CANNOT be facts BY DEFINITION.

Now I am in no way trying to diminish the value of science, but science is a process of questioning things and discovery. Facts cannot be questioned. The best explanation science can come up with for a certain phenomenon may be able to accurately predict the behavior of that phenomenon in 99.9999999999999% of cases, but that doesn't make that explanation fact and doesn't mean that there isn't a better explanation.

Your behavior is a perfect example of why people are starting to call people like you cultists. You pray at the altar of "science", but you've totally lost your ability to actually understand what science is and what it does. You've forgotten one of the most important tenets of science. Question things.
Evolution is not fact. Is it extremely likely that the theory of evolution correctly explains the processes? Yes. Is it possible that it isn't correct? Absolutely. There is no way to prove it.

Your shock and awe at the fact that a not insignificant percentage of the population believes that reality didn't just spontaneously coalesce out of the aether and/or that some entity/consciousness/being may have had a hand in making life come into being or reality exist as it is today is much less and indication of their education or lack thereof and much more and indication of your fundamental lack of understanding of what science is really about. And the great thing is that there are a not insignificant number of people who hold that belief that are much much more intelligent than you are.

Humble yourself. It will do you some good.

Thanks for your input but this is nothing more than a further attempt to justify the religious views in favour of creationism.

It could be irritating but facts don't care about someone's feelings.

press.princeton.edu...

Astronomers have determined that our universe is 13.7 billion years old. How exactly did they come to this precise conclusion? How Old Is the Universe? tells the incredible story of how astronomers solved one of the most compelling mysteries in science and, along the way, introduces readers to fundamental concepts and cutting-edge advances in modern astronomy.

The world wasn't created in six days. All these claims are false and devoid of any science.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Hey, if you want to be stupid and believe you were created by rocks and humanity evolved from there into the complex machines we are in spite of every scientific principal that shows that everything breaks down over time into chaos... you go ahead and do you... after all people today still believe in a flat earth.

As for me, i know were not alone in the universe, and among the universe is a being who created our world. He also lives outside of time and knows how everything ends....

which in itself is proof of His existence!!!

people forget there were OVER 300 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus alone... but when you consider the fact the bible also predicted the rise and fall of world empires before they existed...

God forewarned that Babylon would overthrow Judah and they would be captives for 70 years.. it happened.
God forewarned that Babylon would be overthrown by the medes and Persians... who would be conquered by Greece.. Greece was to be conquered by the empire of iron which we know of as Rome... it would be divided into 10 kingdoms which is what happened when the 10 barbarian tribes conquered Rome.

Each of these events God gives details that were 100% accurate and we know they were penned long before the events happened and they don't stop there... the bible goes on to foretell the rise of the Vatican, its 1260 year rule... the persecution of Christians which led them to flee to the new world, and the last world empire would rise on this continent.

So you can mock christians all you want for understanding that the complexity happening inside of just one cell is impossible to happen accidentally, and DNA is not getting stronger or better (evolving), but is an information system that is being damaged and breaking down from one generation to the next according to the natural laws.... personally, i think the unintelligent folks are the ones thinking this all happened all by itself.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Venkuish1

Creationism is an unsubstantiated belief with no merits at all.

You started the OP so I believe the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck 👌

I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims.

You need to be able to distinguish between these two.

Evolution is a fact.
Creationism is a false belief (fact).

The burden of proof are on those who claim humans are not a product of the evolutionary process but have fine to exist via supernatural interference and design.

The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

It was never based on facts but beliefs anyway and like I said I'd we hadn't program si much scientifically it made no difference as to how valid creationism is.

First you say…
I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims

Then this…
The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
You claimed it. Back it up.
Pretend we’re the math teacher and ‘show your work’.
Unless this OP is just a religion bashing pro atheist troll thread.

I don't have to back up a fact such as evolution. This is a scientific fact.

The explanation I gave it was for the progress of science over centuries when asked who has proved evolution is true and who has disproved creationism.

The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

That's clearly false and there was never backed up with any evidence because it's a belief.

Earth was not created in six days and it's rather old approximately 4.5 billion years old. Humans and other animals were not created in six days either but they evolved from their common ancestors. It takes billions of years from the basic forms of life to get where we are.

You sound be asking the creationists to back up their claims. They can't of course.
I just stated facts.

The thread is what it is: A shocking number of adults in the US dismiss and disregard basic scientific principles. We can make the same thread about how earth and the galaxy was created or even the universe. The creationist view doesn't change.

I find it quite strange that you take the literal interpretation of 'day'. As the Earth did not exist in the start of the creation, how is one to define day when a day is one rotation of said Earth. I see the six days is a description of a period of time. This period of time is not known as to how long each one really was.

Much like the divisions of time that science uses to divide history and prehistory into. There is no set length of duration.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

You are "unsaved trash".

Apparently:

Says welcomed unsaved trash...I guess that is better than "Infidel I'm going to kill you".