Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

Who really cares HOW we got here

The question of how we got here is of vast importance.

It's not only a matter of scientific curiosity but also holds significant implications for various aspects of human life, society, and understanding of the universe in general mate.

Everybody wants to know the answer to that question on some level whether they realise it or not.

Nah Andy, it's really not important how we got here. We're here now and nothing can change that.

This isn't like a strange glowing rock that suddenly appeared in your back yard, that would be worth looking into and researching to find out how it got there.

a reply to: whereislogic

The concept that humans are just another animal aisnt something new in our thought processes, Aristotle coined the term zoon politikon, in English, political animals.

He believed we were just like any other animal out there, but we organized in complex herds. Go back even further when we were starting to form mega settlements the centiments of man over coming beast was almost like a religion.

I'm not sure why critics keep hanging onto the "missing link" tho, I mean, if we have us, homo sapiens, and many different hairy critter cousins from great to lesser apes roaming around, and we find old fossilized remains of similar looking creatures that have subtle taxonomic traits as us, or a chimpanzee gorilla, and we even have found Neanderthal genetics in some people, why is it such a odd concept that we had, have or came from older ancestors?

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: LSU2018

like the theoretical missing link. Its there we just can not find it. Trust us though we could never be wrong.

Scientists in this area of "expertise" are the epitome of "trust me bro".

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: LSU2018

like the theoretical missing link. Its there we just can not find it. Trust us though we could never be wrong.

Scientists in this area of "expertise" are the epitome of "trust me bro".

Like for example Professor Stephen Hawking

originally posted by: Phantom42338
a reply to: LSU2018

Name one thing in science that is known with absolute certainty.

When we see lightning, it's striking from the ground up even though it looks like it's coming from the sky.

a reply to: LSU2018

Understandable, however, this forum isn't a scientific community.

Origins and creationism forum title aside.

We are discussing evolution, are we not?

Which is after all a scientific theory.

Evolution is the change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

We've been blobs, we've been monkeys, we've been knuckle-draggers, we're currently humans, what will we be next in your opinion?

Just spitballing obviously.

It depends on if we manage to master the likes of biology, genetics, cybernetics, or consciousness transfer, sky would be the limit then.

The question begs through what would be lost in translation if we are going to go down that road.

Then there is the possibility of strong AI at some point in the distant future should we survive that long as race without destroying ourselves for kicks and hoots.

If we birth that sort of entity, or it manages to somehow evolve, or emerge on its own, down to the ever-increasing complexity of our networks, humanity in its present form may well have served its purpose.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

I don't think anyone who is serious about attempting to explain how life began on this planet will tell you for sure come from an amoeba, or a pile of goo or slime on a rock.

But, they can give a good hypothesis, based on the piles of scientific evidence- facts - that life could have started off as something similar to that.
Now you as the individual can either take it as a scientific fact, based on evidence. Or you can not accept it.

It's up to you really.

Agreed, people can take what info they want and believe what they want. However, when you more or less call people stupid and uneducated for not believing in the theory of evolution as the OP did, giving a good hypothesis goes right out the window.

a reply to: LSU2018

Nah Andy, it's really not important how we got here. We're here now and nothing can change that.

And not for a long time, but a good time.

The question is still important through.

This isn't like a strange glowing rock that suddenly appeared in your back yard, that would be worth looking into and researching to find out how it got there.

Well this one time, at band camp..............

a reply to: LSU2018

Seriously?

Lightning rarely touches the ground.

a reply to: Venkuish1

a reply to: Venkuish1

The Genesis account is scientifically accurate. True there are fundamental Christians that believe that the universe was created in 6 literal 24 hour periods of time. But that is not what the Genesis account is talking about at all.


Genesis chapter 1 can be divided in two sections. The first section is the first verse. There it simply and accurately says: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."-Genesis 1:1. Due to the red shift in stars known as the Doppler effect, specifically in supernovae, astrophysicist have pretty much proven that the earth did start or have a beginning. For years this observed beginning has been known as the "Big Bang."

Did the Bible get it right? Yes. The universe did indeed have a definite beginning, sometime, unspecified in the Bible, in the distant past.

Now separate off the rest of Genesis chapter 1 from the first verse. You will very easily see that it is specifically referring to the transforming of the earth and preparing it for life and then the creation of said life on earth and how God progressively brought about these changes on earth. Verse 2 starts off where the earth already exists. Now the earth and our solar system is made up of heavy elements that were not around at the beginning of the universe, and could only be forged in the dying core of a giant star going supernovae. That is our sun and our solar system can only be the product of the remnants of a dying star. These stars known as red giants were extremely prolific at the beginning of the universe. And as they were extremely giant and took huge amounts of energy to fuel they burned out and at the end of their lives, they would fuse atoms into heavier and heavier elements until they known longer could contain themselves and they would explode. All the heavier elements which are very very rare in our universe come from such event. So hundreds of millions of years, perhaps billions passed before our sun came into existence along with the solar system. The Genesis account does not contraindicate this fact.

Genesis 1:2 takes us to an unspecified period of time in the past when the earth's surface was covered entirely by water, and their was a thick atmosphere of water called the "firmament" or "expanse":

"Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters."

Can you see the separation of events from verse 1 and verse 2? Verse 2 commences when the already created universe has already been in existence for billions of years, and our solar system with its sun and earth have now formed. And in what condition was this primitive earth? According to Genesis 1:2 we get the observation from Jehovah God's inspiration to his servant Moses. The earth was formless and desolate. Nothing existed on earth's surface in this point of its history. Only water. And there was darkness on the surface of the watery deep. Why? Because the earth's watery atmosphere was so thick in its stage of development that the light from the sun could not penetrate to the earth's surface.

How on earth (pun not intended) could a shepherd from the wilderness wondering around in Median for 40 years have known this? How was his simple but precise description so scientifically accurate? Notice the Genesis account continues unfailing in its accuracy of the development of events on earth:

"And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light. After that God saw that the light was good, and God began to divide the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, a first day."- verses 3-5.

This merely is explaining that the earth's thick watery atmosphere had cleared up enough during this stage of earth's terraforming that light from the sun could penetrate to the watery surface. Although the sun and the moon and the stars were still not visible from the surface because of the thick atmosphere, the light from the sun penetrated to the earth's watery surface.

It would be remiss to mention that the days in the Genesis account are not literal 24 hour periods of time. And you can see this by just going forward to Genesis chapter 2 when we are told the entire creation of the heaven and the earth and all the events related in chapter 1 was also a "day" (Hebrew ohm, which can mean a 24-hour period, or an unspecified period of time) that is an unspecified period of time. Even in English the word day can refer to a generation or a large amount of unspecified time:

"This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven."-Genesis 2:4.

Now in the next creative days in the Genesis account we are told that God by means of his active force roving to and fro over the earth's watery surface makes a division between dry land and the seas, God creates plant life on the land which can now flourish because the sunlight was now able to reach the earth's surface.

And it appears because of the creation of plant life on earth the earth's atmosphere cleared up enough by means of the process of photosynthesis that the light from the sun and the moon and the stars was finally able to penetrate the thinning atmosphere of water so that they became observable from the earth's surface and a division between night and day became evident.

Then God created the sea creatures, and the birds of the heaven. And then he made the animals on dry land and finally the man.

The Genesis account although not written to be scientific, is scientifically accurate. And the only way it could be so is if an observer was there at the creation to see how this all unfolded. It is very evident if you read the account from the correct perspective, even if you took the time out to read it and meditate on it at all you will see the divine inspiration in it.

God asked Job these questions and they serve you well as well:

"Brace yourself, please, like a man;
I will question you, and you inform me.
 4 Where were you when I founded the earth?
Tell me, if you think you understand.
 5 Who set its measurements, in case you know,
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 Into what were its pedestals sunk,
Or who laid its cornerstone,
 7 When the morning stars joyfully cried out together,
And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?
 8 And who barricaded the sea behind doors
When it burst out from the womb,
 9 When I clothed it with clouds
And wrapped it in thick gloom,
10 When I established my limit for it
And put its bars and doors in place,
11 And I said, ‘You may come this far, and no farther;
Here is where your proud waves will stop’?
12 Have you ever commanded the morning
Or made the dawn know its place,
13 To take hold of the ends of the earth
And to shake the wicked out of it?
14 It is transformed like clay under a seal,
And its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 But the light of the wicked is held back from them,
And their uplifted arm is broken.
16 Have you gone down to the sources of the sea
Or explored the deep waters?
17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
Or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
18 Have you understood the vast expanse of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all of this."
-Job 38:3-18.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

Been sick the last few days so been watching videos, saw an interesting one by Carl Sagan where he was talking about how if the universe was eternal then their would be no need for a creator its always been here and always will. BUT if its not the matter had to come from somewhere, which implies a creator but he was willing to admit on TV that he didnt know.

Then to be looking here in this thread and seeing so many posters talking in absolutes, that dismays me far more than any poll.

originally posted by: pennylane123

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
I'm just surprised that it's only 37%?

That was my thinking as well. I think its a lot more than 37% this is a very Christian religious country.

They only admit to that when it benefits them, like claiming Christianity is based on racism. Suddenly that number grows.

a reply to: LSU2018

Who claims that?

a reply to: randomuser2034

What is scientifically accurate?
That the planet and its inhabitants were created in six days or all the other claims made about life, different species, the planet and the 'heavens'...

Many Christians don't even accept the claims made in the Bible just like another poster who has replied to me in the last page.

There are no heavens by the way.
The works wasn't created in six days. These are false and debunked religious beliefs.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
a reply to: randomuser2034

What is scientifically accurate?
That the planet and its inhabitants were created in six days or all the other claims made about life, different species, the planet and the 'heavens'...

Many Christians don't even accept the claims made in the Bible just like another poster who has replied to me in the last page.

There are no heavens by the way.
The works wasn't created in six days. These are false and debunked religious beliefs.

I debunked everything you just said in my post above. You didn't even take the time to give it a cursory glance. As your question was already answered before you asked.

And that is how sincere you are.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

But there is no evidence of the creator to have been talking about and no evidence he create the universe. This is a religious belief.

It is claimed in the Bible the world was created in six days but that's false. Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.8 billion years old.

You said your creator can do it in six days. But there is nothing to support this idea. On the contrary the six day creation has been debunked long time ago.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

I've had the same boring argument with these "trust the science" people about carbon dating. There's absolutely no way to prove that any sort of dating like that is accurate unless you can travel back in time, see where that fossil, rock, ice block carbon deposit, etc., was left and when it was left there.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Old Testament?

That moved on after....Jesus?