Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

a reply to: Xtrozero

Harsh but, not fair?

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Venkuish1

Creationism is an unsubstantiated belief with no merits at all.

You started the OP so I believe the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck 👌

I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims.

You need to be able to distinguish between these two.

Evolution is a fact.
Creationism is a false belief (fact).

The burden of proof are on those who claim humans are not a product of the evolutionary process but have fine to exist via supernatural interference and design.

The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

It was never based on facts but beliefs anyway and like I said I'd we hadn't program si much scientifically it made no difference as to how valid creationism is.

First you say…
I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims

Then this…
The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
You claimed it. Back it up.
Pretend we’re the math teacher and ‘show your work’.
Unless this OP is just a religion bashing pro atheist troll thread.

I don't have to back up a fact such as evolution. This is a scientific fact.

The explanation I gave it was for the progress of science over centuries when asked who has proved evolution is true and who has disproved creationism.

The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

That's clearly false and there was never backed up with any evidence because it's a belief.

Earth was not created in six days and it's rather old approximately 4.5 billion years old. Humans and other animals were not created in six days either but they evolved from their common ancestors. It takes billions of years from the basic forms of life to get where we are.

You sound be asking the creationists to back up their claims. They can't of course.
I just stated facts.

The thread is what it is: A shocking number of adults in the US dismiss and disregard basic scientific principles. We can make the same thread about how earth and the galaxy was created or even the universe. The creationist view doesn't change.

I find it quite strange that you take the literal interpretation of 'day'. As the Earth did not exist in the start of the creation, how is one to define day when a day is one rotation of said Earth. I see the six days is a description of a period of time. This period of time is not known as to how long each one really was.

Much like the divisions of time that science uses to divide history and prehistory into. There is no set length of duration.

There are many who believe it literally to be six days. Others who are Christians and at least one in this thread saying that's not true and they don't agree with the Bible and others like yourself who says it's metaphorical or means something else. Unfortunately the Bible has no scientific value because of the massive ambiguity and lack of any evidence for the claims made in the book. You can see where the problem is.

originally posted by: SpeedRacer2023

Hey, if you want to be stupid and believe you were created by rocks and humanity evolved from there into the complex machines we are in spite of every scientific principal that shows that everything breaks down over time into chaos...

Seems you want to define what that chaos looks like. We do have rules as to how chemicals react so there is a level of order within that chaos. but going from simple ordered processes to the life we see today is chaos in a nutshell.

Each of these events God gives details that were 100% accurate and we know they were penned long before the events happened and they don't stop there... the bible goes on to foretell the rise of the Vatican, its 1260 year rule... the persecution of Christians which led them to flee to the new world, and the last world empire would rise on this continent.

Please post this scripture.

So you can mock christians all you want for understanding that the complexity happening inside of just one cell is impossible to happen accidentally, and DNA is not getting stronger or better (evolving), but is an information system that is being damaged and breaking down from one generation to the next according to the natural laws.... personally, i think the unintelligent folks are the ones thinking this all happened all by itself.

We had in the past a God for everything we didn't understand, today we have one to replace everything we don't understand...lol Why is the Christian God the correct one? BTW when was the last life form that spontaneously popped into existence? Why wasn't evolution just a tool God used? Why does it need to be a rabbit-out-of-the-hat magic trick? It sure seems your side is unwilling to meet anyone in the middle.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

Harsh but, not fair?

Just been called many things, so I don't care... it's the actions attached to bother me...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: theatreboy

And there is no evidence nothing existed and then 2 things collided and created everything, either. Actually, intellectually those events in that order make no sense.

The problem with intelligent design is it creates a chicken or egg dilemma.

Same as any theory of the beginning really. We won't know for sure. Probably ever.

I could get behind intelligent design, maybe. But to me, that theory is a cop out. It is like compromising. I can't do that.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

Those aren't facts, lol

Yep we shouldn't be following the scientific developments but the online conspiracy theories and outdated archaic debunked worldviews. I don't know if it's going to work but let's try it.

Makes more sense than unproven theories.

Evolution is a scientific theory and it's a fact regardless of personal opinion.

There is an entire scientific field that works on evolution. I am sure that if you have the evidence you can write your scientific papers and disprove the 'massive deception' of evolution.

So you are saying the fact is evolution is a theory?

Cause you say evolution is a theory. But you also say fact. Can't be both.

So is evolution a theory?
A fact?
Or the fact that IT is a theory?

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

But there is no evidence of the creator to have been talking about and no evidence he create the universe. This is a religious belief.

It is claimed in the Bible the world was created in six days but that's false. Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.8 billion years old.

You said your creator can do it in six days. But there is nothing to support this idea. On the contrary the six day creation has been debunked long time ago.

And there is no evidence nothing existed and then 2 things collided and created everything, either. Actually, intellectually those events in that order make no sense.

You don't make much sense in this post.

The religious claim in the Bible is false. The world wasn't created in six days. Start with this basis information and then we can discuss other things. You seem confused.

science.nasa.gov...#:~:text=When%20the%20solar%20system%20settled,third%20planet%20from%20the%20Sun.

When the solar system settled into its current layout about 4.5 billion years ago, Earth formed when gravity pulled swirling gas and dust in to become the third planet from the Sun. Like its fellow terrestrial planets, Earth has a central core, a rocky mantle, and a solid crust.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.


See, I can quote books, too!!!!

(And that seems to make it fact)

originally posted by: MrGashler

Science. Does. Not. Deal. In. Facts.
Science CANNOT deal in facts by the very nature of science itself. Facts are, by definition, immutable. As information changes, scientific explanations for phenomena changes. If scientific explanations for phenomena change then they CANNOT be facts BY DEFINITION.

There are many facts... Fire will burn your bare hand under normal conditions...fact

Facts are based on the evidence provided, if the evidence changes so does the fact. Faith is not evidence of anything, the Bible is not evidence of anything, so there isn't even a starting point to God outside of faith. With science, we have a lot of evidence that allows us to establish scientific conclusions based on that evidence. Religion is stuck in the abstract theories side of things with no escape.

As far as evolution, you might want to read up on it a little more...We are light years away from Darwin, that got a lot wrong but was still groundbreaking in itself.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Venkuish1

Creationism is an unsubstantiated belief with no merits at all.

You started the OP so I believe the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck 👌

I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims.

You need to be able to distinguish between these two.

Evolution is a fact.
Creationism is a false belief (fact).

The burden of proof are on those who claim humans are not a product of the evolutionary process but have fine to exist via supernatural interference and design.

The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

It was never based on facts but beliefs anyway and like I said I'd we hadn't program si much scientifically it made no difference as to how valid creationism is.

First you say…
I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims

Then this…
The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
You claimed it. Back it up.
Pretend we’re the math teacher and ‘show your work’.
Unless this OP is just a religion bashing pro atheist troll thread.

I don't have to back up a fact such as evolution. This is a scientific fact.

The explanation I gave it was for the progress of science over centuries when asked who has proved evolution is true and who has disproved creationism.

The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

That's clearly false and there was never backed up with any evidence because it's a belief.

Earth was not created in six days and it's rather old approximately 4.5 billion years old. Humans and other animals were not created in six days either but they evolved from their common ancestors. It takes billions of years from the basic forms of life to get where we are.

You sound be asking the creationists to back up their claims. They can't of course.
I just stated facts.

The thread is what it is: A shocking number of adults in the US dismiss and disregard basic scientific principles. We can make the same thread about how earth and the galaxy was created or even the universe. The creationist view doesn't change.

I find it quite strange that you take the literal interpretation of 'day'. As the Earth did not exist in the start of the creation, how is one to define day when a day is one rotation of said Earth. I see the six days is a description of a period of time. This period of time is not known as to how long each one really was.

Much like the divisions of time that science uses to divide history and prehistory into. There is no set length of duration.

There are many who believe it literally to be six days. Others who are Christians and at least one in this thread saying that's not true and they don't agree with the Bible and others like yourself who says it's metaphorical or means something else. Unfortunately the Bible has no scientific value because of the massive ambiguity and lack of any evidence for the claims made in the book. You can see where the problem is.

Yes I do see where the problem is. Your understanding of religion and science.

I am a big fan of science. I use technology made by scientific knowledge very often. I also believe in a creator. Don't get me wrong in that I detest organized religion. Organized religion is not the same as belief in a creator.

You seem to be in that phase of almost believing something but must convince yourself that you don't or you don't doubt something that you think you should not question. Doubting yourself as it were.

As stated by others in replies above, you make people question science by making it into a form of religious dogma much the same as organized religion makes belief in a creator into dogma to control the populas.

As I stated in my first reply, page 8 I believe, your op is flawed by the flawed questions in the survey.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Darwin still holds up into today's world. Because Darwim covered his ass by being a humble man and admitting that someone would come along and either disprove him or build upon his works.... and well, I think anyone who knows about evolution, he was vindicated.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: ashisnotanidiot
a reply to: Venkuish1

I believe your math is wrong....

37% of non evolution, and 24% of God-directed evolution is 61%.

And that's right in line with how many people worldwide believe in a God.

I don't see what's shocking about that.

My math is right. I don't know how did you get the idea I was wrong.

It's precisely what I have said in my OP

37% don't accept evolution at all
24% accept evolution but they attributed to supernatural intervention.... (bizarre)

It's really shocking that a large number of adults are at odds with basic science.

No, your topic title says 37% of Americans believe in creationism.

Yet 61% believe in creationism, based on the stats you posted in your op.

Technically, that makes creationism "fact" by consensus, even if it is fallacious.

And why you would argue about this basic math is beyond me. Your ego is really that inflated?

Hard to take you seriously when you don't know basic math...

Since you obviously don't understand what creationism is, and, based on your replies in this thread, you don't know what "fact" means, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling...

Oh, and by the way, evolution is not "fact." It's "theory," just like most of science.

Still waiting for you to tell us "who" disproved God.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

But there is no evidence of the creator to have been talking about and no evidence he create the universe. This is a religious belief.

It is claimed in the Bible the world was created in six days but that's false. Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.8 billion years old.

You said your creator can do it in six days. But there is nothing to support this idea. On the contrary the six day creation has been debunked long time ago.

So where did you get 4.5 billion years? Rock that formed when Mt. St. Helens erupted in the 80's, carbon dates over 2 million years old....but we can definitely know when the rock formed. And that, my friend, is what is known as a fact. It is documented and provable.

So maybe your gods got the dating wrong.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
ncse.ngo...

A recent Suffolk University/USA Today poll investigated U.S. public opinion about human evolution. Asked "What comes closest to your belief about humans and evolution?" 29% of respondents preferred "Humans evolved into their present form without divine intervention," 24% preferred "Humans evolved into their present form, but God directed the process," and 37% preferred "Humans did not evolve. They were created in their present form by God," while 8% were undecided and 2% refused to answer.

The survey was conducted between October 17 and October 20 of 2023 and 1,000 registered voters were asked via live telephone interviews from all 50 States plus the District of Columbia.

Anyone can argue this is a small sample and not representative but I am quite confident that a much larger sample will reveal similar results. Another poll was conducted back in 2019 producing similar results: 40% of Americans believe in creationism.

news.gallup.com...

Creationism in relation to the origin of humans is the outdated and debunked religious view that humans are not products of the evolutionary process but they were created by a supernatural force through divine creation and this is contrary to all the evidence we have and by completely dismissing and disregarding facts and science altogether.

The survey revealed that from the 1,000 adult participants around 370 answered humans were created by God and there is no evolution while another almost 240 participants (24%) answered humans evolved but God directed the process.

My understanding is that schools are not doing what they suppose to be doing by teaching kids facts and basic science and by making sure kids are able to distinguish between reality and fiction.

A Desert/Marist poll from the Public Religion Research Institute says Americans are losing their religion, so will creationism be lost along with it.

originally posted by: theatreboy

Same as any theory of the beginning really. We won't know for sure. Probably ever.

I could get behind intelligent design, maybe. But to me, that theory is a cop out. It is like compromising. I can't do that.

I see problems with the Bible's God and the intelligent design. The bible God puts man as the center of all with the whole Good/Evil thing, and the intelligent design just creates and lets the universe function as it created. I don't think they mix very well...and so faith comes into the picture.

originally posted by: Station27

How so? Did God create babies? Or did He create men and women with the ability to produce babies? I know which answer is given in the Bible.

Who created God, and who created God's God on and on.. see...

Within our universe time is a thing and there is nothing infinite since there seems to be a beginning and end to our universe, but as we think in terms of no time and infinite what is outside our universe could have zero time involved and infinite universes.

The concept is much like God in that he has always been here and always will be.

The issue is why does a God need to be of part it all in the first place, and so to me, it seems an extra ingredient is added but not needed.

originally posted by: strongfp

Darwin still holds up into today's world. Because Darwim covered his ass by being a humble man and admitting that someone would come along and either disprove him or build upon his works.... and well, I think anyone who knows about evolution, he was vindicated.

He got a lot right too, but the reality is what he did is considered a very simple form of what we know today. The point I was trying to make is it isn't Darwin's theory anymore for the other side to debate. Just things like mapping genome is a huge change in information we have to work with. The Human Genome Project took 13 years and today we can do it in 5 hours. The argument is dying at a fast rate but the creationists are just not keeping up and tend to want to debate the 1800s still. geez

originally posted by: ashisnotanidiot

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: ashisnotanidiot
a reply to: Venkuish1

I believe your math is wrong....

37% of non evolution, and 24% of God-directed evolution is 61%.

And that's right in line with how many people worldwide believe in a God.

I don't see what's shocking about that.

My math is right. I don't know how did you get the idea I was wrong.

It's precisely what I have said in my OP

37% don't accept evolution at all
24% accept evolution but they attributed to supernatural intervention.... (bizarre)

It's really shocking that a large number of adults are at odds with basic science.

No, your topic title says 37% of Americans believe in creationism.

Yet 61% believe in creationism, based on the stats you posted in your op.

Technically, that makes creationism "fact" by consensus, even if it is fallacious.

And why you would argue about this basic math is beyond me. Your ego is really that inflated?

Hard to take you seriously when you don't know basic math...

Since you obviously don't understand what creationism is, and, based on your replies in this thread, you don't know what "fact" means, I'm pretty sure you're just trolling...

Oh, and by the way, evolution is not "fact." It's "theory," just like most of science.

Still waiting for you to tell us "who" disproved God.

This is precisely the title of the topic

37% of Americans believe in creationism and don't accept evolution at all.

24% accept evolution but attributed it to supernatural forces. That's very different from the above category.

The title of the article stands correct and the author of the original article has it correct. And the author of another article had it correct here

news.gallup.com...

'40% of Americans believe in creationism'

A similar poll from 2019

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Forty percent of U.S. adults ascribe to a strictly creationist view of human origins, believing that God created them in their present form within roughly the past 10,000 years. However, more Americans continue to think that humans evolved over millions of years -- either with God's guidance (33%) or, increasingly, without God's involvement at all (22%).

The author knows how to differentiate between creationism in it's pure form and evolution either guided or unguided. It's precisely what I said.



Scientific theory is something very different to scientific hypothesis or speculation and it looks like you don't really understand it just like the other creationists on this thread. Look it up: Scientific theory

And here is a peer reviewed scientific publication on the topic

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary theory explains more than observations, as the succession on the fossil record. Hence, evolution is also the scientific theory that embodies biology, including all organisms and their characteristics. In this paper, we emphasize why evolution is the most important theory in biology. Evolution explains every biological detail, similar to how history explains many aspects of a current political situation. Only evolution explains the patterns observed in the fossil record. Examples include the succession in the fossil record; we cannot find the easily fossilized mammals before 300 million years ago; after the extinction of the dinosaurs, the fossil record indicates that mammals and birds radiated throughout the planet. Additionally, the fact that we are able to construct fairly consistent phylogenetic trees using distinct genetic markers in the genome is only explained by evolutionary theory. Finally, we show that the processes that drive evolution, both on short and long time scales, are observable facts.

First sentence: evolution is both a fact and a theory.

I mean it can email the authors and ask them for explanations.

Clearly you don't know what is a scientific theory but anyway in your question who has disproved God I don't think anyone made that claim here. All I and others said is there is no evidence for the existence of your supernatural being.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

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originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

CERN isn't dealing with evolution....
Is dealing with the universe, particles, and a number of other things.

My answer to your question about the big bang.

Clearly the universe and the earth were not created in six days or whatever the claims are. Do you see why these claims are debunked?

They just naturally fall apart because there is no evidence to support them.

I am sorry for the confusion, i thought evolution started when the process of creating everything began. Which you haven't been able to reproduce...therefore, you can't know if evolution is what happened.

And as to my bolding in your reply,

No, i do not see how the earth being created in six days has been debunked. I see where you don't believe it.

And I can see that CERN and man can't even START the process.

So yeah, my Creator can do it in 6 days...and your Gods can't even reproduce the beginning, much less finish the whole thing.

But there is no evidence of the creator to have been talking about and no evidence he create the universe. This is a religious belief.

It is claimed in the Bible the world was created in six days but that's false. Earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe around 13.8 billion years old.

You said your creator can do it in six days. But there is nothing to support this idea. On the contrary the six day creation has been debunked long time ago.

So where did you get 4.5 billion years? Rock that formed when Mt. St. Helens erupted in the 80's, carbon dates over 2 million years old....but we can definitely know when the rock formed. And that, my friend, is what is known as a fact. It is documented and provable.

So maybe your gods got the dating wrong.

Basic school knowledge that you probably missed at school or you didn't pay much attention. I have already linked a number of articles from National Geographic, NASA, and other sources. Do you think they somehow have it wrong and don't really know the age of the planet and the solar system?

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: BeyondKnowledge3

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Venkuish1

Creationism is an unsubstantiated belief with no merits at all.

You started the OP so I believe the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck 👌

I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims.

You need to be able to distinguish between these two.

Evolution is a fact.
Creationism is a false belief (fact).

The burden of proof are on those who claim humans are not a product of the evolutionary process but have fine to exist via supernatural interference and design.

The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

It was never based on facts but beliefs anyway and like I said I'd we hadn't program si much scientifically it made no difference as to how valid creationism is.

First you say…
I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims

Then this…
The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
You claimed it. Back it up.
Pretend we’re the math teacher and ‘show your work’.
Unless this OP is just a religion bashing pro atheist troll thread.

I don't have to back up a fact such as evolution. This is a scientific fact.

The explanation I gave it was for the progress of science over centuries when asked who has proved evolution is true and who has disproved creationism.

The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

That's clearly false and there was never backed up with any evidence because it's a belief.

Earth was not created in six days and it's rather old approximately 4.5 billion years old. Humans and other animals were not created in six days either but they evolved from their common ancestors. It takes billions of years from the basic forms of life to get where we are.

You sound be asking the creationists to back up their claims. They can't of course.
I just stated facts.

The thread is what it is: A shocking number of adults in the US dismiss and disregard basic scientific principles. We can make the same thread about how earth and the galaxy was created or even the universe. The creationist view doesn't change.

I find it quite strange that you take the literal interpretation of 'day'. As the Earth did not exist in the start of the creation, how is one to define day when a day is one rotation of said Earth. I see the six days is a description of a period of time. This period of time is not known as to how long each one really was.

Much like the divisions of time that science uses to divide history and prehistory into. There is no set length of duration.

There are many who believe it literally to be six days. Others who are Christians and at least one in this thread saying that's not true and they don't agree with the Bible and others like yourself who says it's metaphorical or means something else. Unfortunately the Bible has no scientific value because of the massive ambiguity and lack of any evidence for the claims made in the book. You can see where the problem is.

Yes I do see where the problem is. Your understanding of religion and science.

I am a big fan of science. I use technology made by scientific knowledge very often. I also believe in a creator. Don't get me wrong in that I detest organized religion. Organized religion is not the same as belief in a creator.

You seem to be in that phase of almost believing something but must convince yourself that you don't or you don't doubt something that you think you should not question. Doubting yourself as it were.

As stated by others in replies above, you make people question science by making it into a form of religious dogma much the same as organized religion makes belief in a creator into dogma to control the populas.

As I stated in my first reply, page 8 I believe, your op is flawed by the flawed questions in the survey.

Only you thinks the survey is flawed in this thread. There is another survey that was conducted back in 2019 and revealed very similar results.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Forty percent of U.S. adults ascribe to a strictly creationist view of human origins, believing that God created them in their present form within roughly the past 10,000 years. However, more Americans continue to think that humans evolved over millions of years -- either with God's guidance (33%) or, increasingly, without God's involvement at all (22%).

news.gallup.com...

There is nothing flawed in both surveys and they ask very legitimate questions. Creationism or evolution (either guided or unguided).

I don't believe in evolution. I accept it due to the overwhelming amount of evidence there is. Whatever objections people have it's because they are religionists or creationists and don't understand evolution or don't want to accept it because of their religious views.

If you try to argue that what is said in the Bible is metaphorical then you need to consider that six days means what it means with no further explanations. It's nonsensical in a few words because it's a religious text devoid of science.

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originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

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Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

Those aren't facts, lol

Yep we shouldn't be following the scientific developments but the online conspiracy theories and outdated archaic debunked worldviews. I don't know if it's going to work but let's try it.

Makes more sense than unproven theories.

Evolution is a scientific theory and it's a fact regardless of personal opinion.

There is an entire scientific field that works on evolution. I am sure that if you have the evidence you can write your scientific papers and disprove the 'massive deception' of evolution.

So you are saying the fact is evolution is a theory?

Cause you say evolution is a theory. But you also say fact. Can't be both.

So is evolution a theory?
A fact?
Or the fact that IT is a theory?

If you don't understand what is a scientific theory then you can look it up. Most of creationists don't but that not surprising. Here is a scientific publication that I have linked several times.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Evolution is widely observable in laboratory and natural populations as they change over time. The fact that we need annual flu vaccines is one example of observable evolution. At the same time, evolutionary theory explains more than observations, as the succession on the fossil record. Hence, evolution is also the scientific theory that embodies biology, including all organisms and their characteristics.

First sentence of the abstract: evolution is both a fact and a theory.

If you don't understand it you can email the authors or look it up.