Shocking poll reveals that 37% of Americans believe in creationism

a reply to: whereislogic

Great reply, I usually don't read the really long ones but you set it up perfectly. I couldn't agree more.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Venkuish1

Creationism is an unsubstantiated belief with no merits at all.

You started the OP so I believe the burden of proof is on you.
Good luck 👌

I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims.

You need to be able to distinguish between these two.

Evolution is a fact.
Creationism is a false belief (fact).

The burden of proof are on those who claim humans are not a product of the evolutionary process but have fine to exist via supernatural interference and design.

The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

It was never based on facts but beliefs anyway and like I said I'd we hadn't program si much scientifically it made no difference as to how valid creationism is.

First you say…
I started the OP by staying facts and not by making any claims

Then this…
The progress of science has shown creationism to be false.

Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.
You claimed it. Back it up.
Pretend we’re the math teacher and ‘show your work’.
Unless this OP is just a religion bashing pro atheist troll thread.

I don't have to back up a fact such as evolution. This is a scientific fact.

The explanation I gave it was for the progress of science over centuries when asked who has proved evolution is true and who has disproved creationism.

The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

That's clearly false and there was never backed up with any evidence because it's a belief.

Earth was not created in six days and it's rather old approximately 4.5 billion years old. Humans and other animals were not created in six days either but they evolved from their common ancestors. It takes billions of years from the basic forms of life to get where we are.

You sound be asking the creationists to back up their claims. They can't of course.
I just stated facts.

The thread is what it is: A shocking number of adults in the US dismiss and disregard basic scientific principles. We can make the same thread about how earth and the galaxy was created or even the universe. The creationist view doesn't change.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

Point is, the science will change again.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

Need to reply again to this because you don't seem to understand that once we were at the center of the universe because of false beliefs pushed mainly by religious circles and the church that wanted to control everything.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

a reply to: Venkuish1

You buy into peer reviewed scientific articles that tell you how to think. You're upset at anyone in this thread who dares refute what you claim.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

creationism , just says "we had a creator" the way you define that is up to you or the fundies or the buddhists or the mathematician or the biologist, or the physicist or me to define

maybe , at one point , it ment just the fundies or whatever but ..as many like to point out... things evolve

many people donnt believe in big "G" God but still believe in a creation ... i mean , hell... the big bang points at a creation .. if the "steady state" universe, that many scientists back in the day wanted, was born out and true then big "G" would , i think , been done away with long ago.

thats what "many worlds" is trying to overcome .. the , seemingly, created universe .

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

Right, so what's the problem in believing in one and not the other?

I don't have an issue with you doing so LSU2018.

As to the theory of evolution, just like with QFT, it's widely accepted within the scientific community.

And is supported by a vast amount of evidence from various fields such as genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, and molecular biology.

There are also key pieces of evidence that support evolution including the fossil records, molecular evidence, and biogeography.

Evolutionary theory(natural selection) is supported by an extensive body of evidence and is considered one of the most robust theories in science.

Possibly worth considering that the theory does not necessarily discount the notion of a creator and many people who are religious don't see a conflict between their religious beliefs and evolution.

Understandable, however, this forum isn't a scientific community.

As I stated, I don't dismiss things evolving, I dismiss humans evolving from cells to creatures to humans. We've been blobs, we've been monkeys, we've been knuckle-draggers, we're currently humans, what will we be next in your opinion? In mine, we'll still be humans and always have been.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

Not really. I've told you before, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Most Christians do NOT believe that the story is a literal one. The fundamentalists tend to (Baptist, Church of Christ, etc). But the vast majority of Christians do NOT believe the earth is 6,000 years old, that it was created in six days, that there were talking snakes, etc. Just like the vast majority do not believe in Noahs Ark or that the Tower of Babel is where language came from, or that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and got spit out, etc. Most Christians do not read those as literal history stories but instead as myths to teach about some aspect of God.

I've told you this a few times. Why hasn't it sunk in? I'm starting to think that you WANT Christians to actually believe in those stories as literal history. That way you can act superior and bash them a whole lot. It must be disappointing for you to find out that most don't think that they are literal historical truth .. cut's into your 'bash Christians' posting.

Christians believe God, in some way, created humans and all of creation.
Some believe the Genesis story literally ... most do not.
Christians can not prove that God created everything.
But that belief also can not be disproven.
Your claims that God creating everything has been disproven are false.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: Venkuish1

You buy into peer reviewed scientific articles that tell you how to think. You're upset at anyone in this thread who dares refute what you claim.

Nobody has refuted evolution if you haven't realised it.

The peer reviewed process is one of the most important in science. Imagine you want to replace it with wild claims and beliefs in the supernatural world?!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: LSU2018

If i have a stab at the difference colloquially a "theory" implies an idea or speculation.

However, in scientific terms, a theory is a well-established and thoroughly supported explanation of natural phenomena.

That can be tested and confirmed through observations and repeatable experiments.

Tell me it can prove humans evolved from single celled organisms as the OP has falsely stated throughout the entire thread. He probably thinks carbon dating is 100% accurate, too.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Venkuish1
The Christian religion argues that earth and whatever creatures it can accommodate were created in six days through divine intervention.

Not really. I've told you before, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in.

Most Christians do NOT believe that the story is a literal one. The fundamentalists tend to (Baptist, Church of Christ, etc). But the vast majority of Christians do NOT believe the earth is 6,000 years old, that it was created in six days, that there were talking snakes, etc. Just like the vast majority do not believe in Noahs Ark or that the Tower of Babel is where language came from, or that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and got spit out, etc. Most Christians do not read those as literal history stories but instead as myths to teach about some aspect of God.

I've told you this a few times. Why hasn't it sunk in? I'm starting to think that you WANT Christians to actually believe in those stories as literal history. That way you can act superior and bash them a whole lot. It must be disappointing for you to find out that most don't think that they are literal historical truth .. cut's into your 'bash Christians' posting.

Christians believe God, in some way, created humans and all of creation.
Some believe the Genesis story literally ... most do not.
Christians can not prove that God created everything.
But that belief also can not be disproven.
Your claims that God creating everything has been disproven are false.

That's what on your religious book. And it's a debunked view of the world. What Christians choose to accept it's another story and not related to the unchanging dogma.

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

a reply to: theatreboy


All you need to do is to see that your belief in the supernatural world and creationism has no leg to stand on. It's really that simple. Outdated views created back at the bronze age.

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: theatreboy

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: pennylane123
a reply to: Venkuish1

Just like you dismiss simulation theory,

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

I am glad you make that distinction....

Then you can honestly admit that Evolution is a theory. A theory written around what we see and think happened. Nothing is proven.

Nothing.

It's yobs like you that are making me question the logic of the earth being a sphere.

I think you misrepresented me...

Is not a scientific theory but a speculation. No evidence exists we live in a simulation. On the other hand evolution is both a scientific theory and a fact.

That we live in a simulation is speculation and not a fact. Evolution on the other hand is a fact. It's also described as a scientific theory but I understand that you are not able to make the distinction between scientific theory, scientific hypothesis, speculation, and so on.

I haven't admitted anything, only stated facts. But every creationist in every thread around here makes exactly the same erroneous arguments.

You are not worth trying to have a logical conversation with.

As you know, we once were the center of the universe...oops, the sun....ooops, we are on the outskirts of the galaxy.

I wish more Christians had the faith in Christ, that you have in mortal man(scientists). This world would be a much kinder place.

It was false belief devoid of any facts propagated mainly by religious circles and the church.

Aristotle was a christian?
Was Galileo a Christian?

No. Those beliefs came from many places.

Scientists are not God. They make mistakes. They make bad decisions. They succumb to peer pressure. They will say their bias' do not play a part. But they do, you are proof.

You do not have an open mind, you will believe what you are told because you will not think for yourself. I'll bet you don't even change your own blinker fluid because it is easier to have the shop do it. I mean after all, they are the experts, you aren't and blinker fluid is a real thing...a scientist (mechanic) said so.

In reality, from the tone of your replies, you are seriously questioning your beliefs. I will add you to my prayers, may you find the spiritual peace you are looking for.

Still false beliefs in the case of scientists who may have accepted the geocentric system. Now we have evidence about not being the center of the universe.

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

Excellent!! Bolding mine!

Then you, YES YOU, can solve this once and for all. YOU can end it for all time...

When you do, I will stream live on ATS, and admit you were right.

So, all you have to do is reproduce the big bang. Create all the life, and physics, etc. And, here is the catch, it has to able to self perpetuate and exist on it's on forever more.

Now, get to it, I can wait for you to reproduce it and prove us wrong. (re read what i highlighted in your reply)

CERN has been trying to reproduce the conditions of the first moments of our baby universe. Have you missed that out?

Well, according to your post:

I rather open a book and I don't just 'believe' in science. In science we can independently verify and reproduce claims, observations, experiments and measurements.

And then I just bolded the word in your latest reply:

TRYING

So they have been trying to reproduce it, but they haven't.

So, therefore, from your posts and words, Evolution is not fact, it is theory. Because you have NOT been able to reproduce it yet.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: LSU2018

Scientific theory isn't the same as me having a theory of how my cat got stuck in a tree or something.

I know, I understand that possibly over 27 decades of research have gone into the scientific theory of evolution. What I don't believe, is that scientists have proven that a human can eventually evolve out of an organism that began as an amoeba. They haven't even scratched the surface of proving that. In my opinion, that's a lot of time wasted when they could have been living life and focusing on far more important things. Who really cares HOW we got here, it's not that serious.

It's not a matter of belief.
Beliefs exist when there is no evidence around like religious beliefs about creationism or even flat earth.

You can believe whatever you want but science is a process that doesn't deal with beliefs in the supernatural world and beliefs in general.

It's definitely about belief. You're sharing your belief that we evolved from single celled organisms and basing it on papers that a group of scientists said were true.

Obviously I can't believe whatever I want or I wouldn't be 12+ pages deep trying to explain to you why I don't believe in the theory of evolution.

I am not sharing a belief but simply stating facts. I know it's difficult for creationists to accept science and facts and that they struggle a lot with basic concepts but the problem is more serious than it seems. The educational system plays a very important role and it has failed students quite a lot.

a reply to: Venkuish1

You leave already?

originally posted by: Venkuish1
That's what on your religious book. And it's a debunked view of the world. What Christians choose to accept it's another story and not related to the unchanging dogma.

You don't know how to read the bible. It's not all to be read literally. Some is history. Some is prophecy. Some is myth that is to teach a lesson on God. Some is poetry. Etc etc.

For you to continue to claim that every bible story is supposed to be taken as literal history by Christians is hysterical. You are an ATHEIST with NO CLUE on how to read the bible. I keep telling you how, but you keep insisting on reading it wrong.