Reincarnation is there proof .

a reply to: Venkuish1

You may want to rephrase by saying: not a shred of evidence exists to support reincarnation.

And not a shred of evidence exists to support the authors refutation.

a reply to: Venkuish1
I think the point was that the author of that online article is using the same kind of woo that you claim to be avoiding, so why did you use their article?

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Venkuish1

You may want to rephrase by saying: not a shred of evidence exists to support reincarnation.

And not a shred of evidence exists to support the authors refutation.

You may want read the article again.

This is from the article (3rd paragraph)

Dr. Ian Stevenson, psychiatrist and reincarnation researcher, spent much of his life investigating children with memories of past lives and found a case - the Case of Jasbir first published in Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation - that proves beyond doubt that discarnate personalities exist and can impress an individual with its thoughts, feelings, beliefs and memories. The significance of this case cannot be over-emphasized because it demonstrates that every other case investigated by Dr. Stevenson is really a case of overshadowing or obsession

The burden of proof is on the claimant I am afraid. There is not a single case of proven reincarnation in the scientific literature and no evidence reincarnation is real.

I have past life memories, and read a lot of stories from others, the University of Virginia is one of the few western schools that is looking into it


med.virginia.edu...

originally posted by: Venkuish1

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

Venkuish1

Not a shred of evidence exists to support reincarnation.

Reincarnation is as legitimate as flat earth and creationism.

You do know by your statement you include any and all religions or any type of afterlife .

Correct!

Not a shred of evidence exists to support incarnation and life after death.

INCORRECT! There is tons of evidence. You just don't seek it out, nor would you accept it anyway. A lot of the evidence isn't physical which doesn't mean it's not evidence, just that you don't accept it.

Any further exploration would lead you to documented cases of people, children usually, remembering life so vividly that their parents took them to whatever city they said they used to live in, and have been able to corroborate dates, names, events, etc., and any normal person would have to admit SOMETHING is going on, at the very least, some kind of psychic ability on the part of the child. But assuming you would not accept that, I doubt you would go searching for it since it's obviously something you don't want to believe and have decided to religiously adhere to your present stance at all costs.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
...discarnate personalities exist...

That would be ghosts. Personalities without a body.

How are you going to use someones article using a paranormal idea to debunk another paranormal idea, while still thinking you are arguing against the paranormal?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Venkuish1
...discarnate personalities exist...

That would be ghosts. Personalities without a body.

How are you going to use someones article using a paranormal idea to debunk another paranormal idea, while still thinking you are arguing against the paranormal?

You may want to see what I ve written earlier in this thread and I think is on page1

It's this:

Strictly speaking there is nothing much to refute due to the absence of any evidence reincarnation is real.

I find this article very interesting and like I said it's not my views but the views of the author. I agree there is not a shred of evidence reincarnation is real and if you ask me then I will say the same thing about discarnate entities/overshadowing and possession. To make it clear I don't accept any of these.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
Having memory and knowledge of things you haven't experienced and haven't lived sounds impossible.

And yet it happens.

there are many too who have seen virgin mary and jesus or have spoken to them.

And yet it happens.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
... and no evidence reincarnation is real.

I suggest you reread the thread. Some has already been given. People with past life memories having information that they couldn't know about, but do. This is evidence that it could be reincarnation. You continually stating that there is no evidence simply isn't true.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Venkuish1
... and no evidence reincarnation is real.

I suggest you reread the thread. Some has already been given. People with past life memories having information that they couldn't know about, but do. This is evidence that it could be reincarnation. You continually stating that there is no evidence simply isn't true.

I will agree with the author of this article

www.lankaweb.com...

Reincarnation is a highly contradictory and controversial philosophical-religious and cultural concept. Belief in reincarnation has some epistemological implications. It is a belief in the absence of valid empirical data. There is no scientific evidence to prove reincarnation. The suggestive cases of reincarnation (past-lives” testimonies) cannot be independently verified, and there are psychological and cultural factors that can influence such claims. These testimonies are the products of social conditioning rather than actual memories of past lives. From a scientific and empirical standpoint, the concept of reincarnation remains unproven and subject to skepticism.

a reply to: Venkuish1

And yet it remains a fact that people have memories and information that they couldn't possibly have, and those memories and information are verified by others. This is evidence that reincarnation is a possible explanation. (A pretty good one, and I say that as someone who hopes that it isn't real)

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Here is some Zen.... Existentialism for you:

From the bare ground comes a tree
The tree bears seed
The tree ages, dies back into the ground going with its it's seed
It's seed in the bare ground comes a new tree...

Over and over...over and over..again and again.

There is abundant proof.....

God Bless ✌️

Do we have proof? No.
Do we have evidence? Yes.
And here are my questions.
Do we have a way to verify those evidences to know for 100% sure that it proves reincarnation is real?
I don't think so.
And, even if we had a way to actually prove reincarnation is real, can we even determine what kind of reincarnation we are dealing with?
Is it a natural process that all living beings go through(for example imagine a being that was originally born as an insect, can it reincarnate as a human?) or is it exclusive to humans?
Or is it an artificially forced rule, enforced by aliens? Is it possible to be reincarnated as an alien?
Do we always reincarnate as a human or can we reincarnate as any other living being(for example can we go from human to insect, basically exact reverse of previous question)?
Or is it just as simple as dying and immediately being born as another human being again?
Or is it something like what this person is describing:

originally posted by: ARM19688
Well it happens, but not how you think it does. When you die everything ends. There is nothing. Except an almost infinite amount of time passes, but you’re unaware of it. That is until everything aligns again, every atom, the whole universe (new) and you are born again, just like the last time - just like every time. A few memories occasionally impinge, a few vague deja vu moments, as usual, but you remember almost nothing, perhaps only a couple of random things. This has to happen. It’s impossible for it not to.

I don't think we have the means to prove reincarnation is real, let alone determine what kind of reincarnation we are dealing with.

originally posted by: Venkuish1
www.reincarnationrefuted.uk...

Check this site (UK)
Reincarnation Refuted Online

The doctrine of reincarnation has been circulating the globe for millennia; yet, not a shred of evidence exists to support it. Contrary to the claims of reincarnation researchers, memories of past lives, including knowledge of recondite things known only to specialist historians, do not support the doctrine of reincarnation (see the Case of Jasbir). Real memories of past lives - often referred to as "previous" lives by believers - are the result of a well-known phenomenon called "overshadowing" or, in extreme cases, "obsession" or "possession."

Overshadowing occurs when a discarnate personality, currently occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth, "approaches" a psychically sensitive individual and impresses him or her with its thoughts, feelings, beliefs and memories. The individual will feel a sense of "ownership" over the memories and may interpret them as memories of a previous life - especially if the individual believes in reincarnation. This overshadowing phenomenon works both ways and the discarnate personality will have access to the individual's thoughts, feelings and memories and may, for its part, believe it has reincarnated in the body of its "host." By transference, the discarnate personality will impress - or reinforce - the host's mind with the conviction that he or she has lived a previous life on earth.

Strictly speaking there is nothing much to refute die to the absence of any evidence reincarnation is real.

So reincarnation isn’t real, but discarnate personality’s occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth are real?
Did you even read your own link?
Lol

Real memories of past lives - often referred to as "previous" lives by believers - are the result of a well-known phenomenon called "overshadowing" or, in extreme cases, "obsession" or "possession." Overshadowing occurs when a discarnate personality, currently occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth, "approaches" a psychically sensitive individual and impresses him or her with its thoughts, feelings, beliefs and memories. The individual will feel a sense of "ownership" over the memories and may interpret them as memories of a previous life -

originally posted by: AllisVibration

originally posted by: Venkuish1
www.reincarnationrefuted.uk...

Check this site (UK)
Reincarnation Refuted Online

The doctrine of reincarnation has been circulating the globe for millennia; yet, not a shred of evidence exists to support it. Contrary to the claims of reincarnation researchers, memories of past lives, including knowledge of recondite things known only to specialist historians, do not support the doctrine of reincarnation (see the Case of Jasbir). Real memories of past lives - often referred to as "previous" lives by believers - are the result of a well-known phenomenon called "overshadowing" or, in extreme cases, "obsession" or "possession."

Overshadowing occurs when a discarnate personality, currently occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth, "approaches" a psychically sensitive individual and impresses him or her with its thoughts, feelings, beliefs and memories. The individual will feel a sense of "ownership" over the memories and may interpret them as memories of a previous life - especially if the individual believes in reincarnation. This overshadowing phenomenon works both ways and the discarnate personality will have access to the individual's thoughts, feelings and memories and may, for its part, believe it has reincarnated in the body of its "host." By transference, the discarnate personality will impress - or reinforce - the host's mind with the conviction that he or she has lived a previous life on earth.

Strictly speaking there is nothing much to refute die to the absence of any evidence reincarnation is real.

So reincarnation isn’t real, but discarnate personality’s occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth are real?
Did you even read your own link?
Lol

Real memories of past lives - often referred to as "previous" lives by believers - are the result of a well-known phenomenon called "overshadowing" or, in extreme cases, "obsession" or "possession." Overshadowing occurs when a discarnate personality, currently occupying a domain of consciousness close to the earth, "approaches" a psychically sensitive individual and impresses him or her with its thoughts, feelings, beliefs and memories. The individual will feel a sense of "ownership" over the memories and may interpret them as memories of a previous life -

Check what I have said in the the thread before making conclusions.

Reincarnation is not real given there is no evidence in support of it and the same is true for discarnate entities/personalities. I just thought the link was interesting and that's why I used it but it shows another aspect of the story that even the people who believe in the paranormal don't believe in reincarnation.

There are several links online and I am very much in agreement with the one I have used earlier.

www.lankaweb.com...

Reincarnation is a highly contradictory and controversial philosophical-religious and cultural concept. Belief in reincarnation has some epistemological implications. It is a belief in the absence of valid empirical data. There is no scientific evidence to prove reincarnation. The suggestive cases of reincarnation (past-lives” testimonies) cannot be independently verified, and there are psychological and cultural factors that can influence such claims. These testimonies are the products of social conditioning rather than actual memories of past lives. From a scientific and empirical standpoint, the concept of reincarnation remains unproven and subject to skepticism.

Like I said several times in various threads there is no evidence for the claims made in relation to the paranormal activities, life after death, demons/angels, God, life and resurrection of Jesus. You should know this by now because you have replied to me in other threads.

My theory for reincarnation is it's universally abhorrent to have an experience of nothing. The only plausible thing that can happen after life is a similar experience to the one we are having now.

To think we as living beings are somehow not connected to the universally ebb and flow of life, death, and rebirth that happens all around us every day is preposterous thinking.

You know why most organized religions practice inside a temple, cathedral, or church? To remove you from the natural world, because that is our one true religion. Our connection to this planet and every living being upon it transcends any scripture or book. Anyone who has really spent time in the wild understands this connection.

a reply to: Venkuish1

Reincarnation is not real given there is no evidence in support of it and the same is true for discarnate entities/personalities.

Ok then how do explain people who say they remember a previous life, having knowledge of that previous life including factual details, that they can’t possibly know? Unless they in fact do have memories of that previous life?

I expect you will say it is all an elaborate hoax, the trouble with this idea though is they have no interest in making such a hoax, most of the time they prefer to keep these experiences out of public scrutiny. Interestingly enough because they go against their own or their families religious beliefs in many cases. Many of these are reported by children, who then go on to forget much of these memories later in life. Which suggests to me, we all might have had such memories to some degree or other, even just vague glimpses. But they are forgotten as the ego/personality construct develops.

Just because we don’t know how something is possible, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

originally posted by: AllisVibration
a reply to: Venkuish1

Reincarnation is not real given there is no evidence in support of it and the same is true for discarnate entities/personalities.

Ok then how do explain, people who say they remember a previous life having knowledge of that previous life that, including factual details, that they can’t possibly know? Unless they in fact do have memories of that previous life?

I expect you will say it is all an elaborate hoax, the trouble with this idea though is they have no interest in making such a hoax, most of the time they prefer to keep these experiences out of public scrutiny. Interestingly enough because they go against their own or their families religious beliefs in many cases. Many of these are reported by children, who then go on to forget much of these memories later in life.

Just because we don’t know how something is possible, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Do you really want me to take these claims at face value without knowing the individual circumstances?

It's the same as if you ask me how do I explain the visions some villagers had somewhere in Brazil where they saw Virgin Mary who spoke to them.

a reply to: Venkuish1
But you cited and linked the article as if its content was true and supported your argument.

...if you ask me then I will say the same thing about discarnate entities/overshadowing and possession.

That is the point.