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It’s because I’m not a footling, self-satisfied idiot. And a hypocrite to boot.
originally posted by: Kennyb75
a reply to: Venkuish1
Good metaphor! .. let's continue! .. Some people have such big heads and are so totally inflexible, that they can't even get their heads deep enough in, to see what is down there.
Lol, they can still eat the rabbit droppings though (i.e. rabbit excrement; used as a metaphor for the standard set of arguments and unverified beliefs/ideas/philosophies and myths/false stories).
originally posted by: Venkuish1
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Venkuish1
a reply to: chr0naut
Let me ask you again because you are dancing around religious beliefs and faith and have already said your arguments are based on religious apology (good you have admitted it).
Do you know of any physical end biochemical processes that have supernatural causes? Let me help you by saying we know none in science.
Saying that 'science doesn't know' is an argument from ignorance, isn't it?
You see, science is good at describing the things science knows about, and we call the things science knows about 'natural'. It is a powerful tool, but you don't use a crowbar to spray-paint your car.
And we do have historic examples where science has been used to do other things like direct ethics, or drive politics. In one particular instance, it led to the Holocaust.
The things science does not know about, are outside of nature - they are supernatural.
Being supernatural does not mean they cannot exist or are just fantasies.
There are many things that exist and science cannot explain and many things that were once though of as supernatural, now have natural explanations and that is because of science.
However, in answer to your repeated question, one that stands out to me is that photosynthesis works, and works well. But the transfer efficiency of energy from where it is collected, to where it is utilized is somewhat of a mystery.
The various calculated outcomes (one of which, for example, is a 26% transfer efficiency) are way way lower than the observed transfer efficiencies (which are nearly 100%), and everyone is still trying to come up with explanations why. If a natural explanation is not found, then the process is supernatural (i.e: it does not fit the gamut of things with a natural explanation).
An investigation into the energy transfer efficiency of a two-pigment photosynthetic system using a macroscopic quantum model
What makes you think our universe has been created by some supernatural force? What evidence is there?
The fact that its existence has no rigorous natural explanation. Therefore the origin must be outside of what has been explained by natural phenomena. It is supernatural.
You made a statement earlier that even in your soul you going evidence. Let me remind you that you don't get to choose what evidence is.
Then neither do you. So stop denying what I hold up as evidences: the circumstantial, the subjective and even some objective evidences, such as those that exist in the non-emergent integrated structures of mathematics and physics.
Feelings and beliefs don't constitute evidence and the 'soul' is an invention used extensively by religious people. No evidence exist for the existence of the soul.
So, you are saying that you are soulless?
LOL
I think you are actually confusing spirit and soul, although I can understand the confusion of someone who is in denial about half of our existence.
Our soul is our intellectual and cognitive 'person'. It is not supernatural. To use a weak metaphor, our soul is the 'program' running on the 'computing device' of our brain.
Our spirit is the non-corporeal equivalent of our body, and is the supernatural part of us. It also embodies our soul (or its direct analogue). Think of it as a redundant back-up, stored in another, less volatile, media.
It looks you create even more problems for your arguments when you make reference to further religious concepts for which there is zero evidence they are true.
Funny, I have no problem with them?
It seems that you are the one saying there is no evidence, in denial of the evidences I claim.
You misunderstood what I asked you as usual. Tell me what physical or biochemical processes have supernatural causes given that you believe the origin of the universe has a supernatural cause.
I didn't say 'science doesn't know' but I clearly said we know there is none which has supernatural causes. You are the one who is making the arguments from ignorance attributing anything we don't know to God just like the old times.
Again you failed to give me an example. Photosynthesis doesn't have a supernatural cause (not even creationists believe it) and the origin of the universe is not some form of God despite your very flawed logic and claims that science doesn't have a definite answer on a number of areas where there is plenty of research at the moment.
You may want to give it a go at NASA and the various universities next time arguing that the current research in the origins of the universe is futile because you are other creationists have Jesus in your heart.
The fact you call matters we don't know yet or we haven't found a definitive answer as 'supernatural' shows the confusion of your arguments and the mistake people have repeated throughout history. According to you then everything unknown must be attributed to supernatural causes. Going back a few hundred years what people were calling 'supernatural' turned out not to be that way after all. Everything had a natural cause as science evolved and we had better knowledge and understanding of the world and of natural phenomena.
Beliefs and feelings don't constitute evidence and you don't get to choose what evidence is (I am repeating this). You need to look up what evidence is according to the standards of science and research.
There is no evidence for the existence of the supernatural world, God, demons and angels, like after death. That's not debatable but a fact. I am not asserting beliefs but stating facts. If you really have evidence for the claims you made then it's best if you present them so there could be under the usual scientific scrutiny and see if they pass the major checkpoints.
But as always there is nothing other than beliefs and feelings.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Kennyb75
Speak for yourself!
Men and women of Above Top Secret, bow down! Bow down low, for we are in the presence of a saint.
sit down and ask yourself why that is.
It’s because I’m not a footling, self-satisfied idiot, and a hypocrite to boot.
originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: chr0naut
I was unable to locate any post of mine while skipping through it. So, it may well have been that I did not see any of your arguments in that thread?
I found the post I was referring to. It wasn’t on that thread but another. There were two posts: here’s one and here is the other. And here is a Wikipedia article about the evolution of morality.
Your questions, which are fair questions, are amply answered in the links, including the one embedded in the second of the linked posts. You may also wish to look up kin selection. This is a good (and critical) introduction.
Going back a few hundred years what people were calling 'supernatural' turned out not to be that way after all. Everything had a natural cause as science evolved and we had better knowledge and understanding of the world and of natural phenomena.
originally posted by: daskakik
originally posted by: Venkuish1
Unfortunately you don't get to choose what evidence is.
I made it a point to say this isn't objective evidence/proof but subjective proof (on a personal level).
Why repeat what was already said?
Science is what it is. It can't explain anything beyond what has been confirmed by it.
There is no point in making an argument from ignorance about things you can't prove one way or the other.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: Venkuish1
originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: Venkuish1
There is no evidence for the existence of the supernatural world, God, demons and angels, like after death. That's not debatable but a fact.
Out of body experiences are evidence of spirits, a spiritual realm, and the likelihood of spirits continuing to exist after the body dies.
Profound examples of reincarnation are also evidence.
But I'm not hear to argue, I'm just curious what it would mean to you if you found out that you were wrong about these things.
Would you be okay with part of yourself, let's call it a soul, continuing on after physical death?
No they are not.
Can you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt,as in you will stake your life on it?
And you know with absolute certainty that the bible was always a man made creation and not told to men to write down?
Most likely the answer wil be NO,because you are trying to prove a negative.
lack of evidence does not preclude lack of existence. Science just has not advanced far enough yet.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Venkuish1
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Venkuish1
a reply to: chr0naut
Let me ask you again because you are dancing around religious beliefs and faith and have already said your arguments are based on religious apology (good you have admitted it).
Do you know of any physical end biochemical processes that have supernatural causes? Let me help you by saying we know none in science.
Saying that 'science doesn't know' is an argument from ignorance, isn't it?
You see, science is good at describing the things science knows about, and we call the things science knows about 'natural'. It is a powerful tool, but you don't use a crowbar to spray-paint your car.
And we do have historic examples where science has been used to do other things like direct ethics, or drive politics. In one particular instance, it led to the Holocaust.
The things science does not know about, are outside of nature - they are supernatural.
Being supernatural does not mean they cannot exist or are just fantasies.
There are many things that exist and science cannot explain and many things that were once though of as supernatural, now have natural explanations and that is because of science.
However, in answer to your repeated question, one that stands out to me is that photosynthesis works, and works well. But the transfer efficiency of energy from where it is collected, to where it is utilized is somewhat of a mystery.
The various calculated outcomes (one of which, for example, is a 26% transfer efficiency) are way way lower than the observed transfer efficiencies (which are nearly 100%), and everyone is still trying to come up with explanations why. If a natural explanation is not found, then the process is supernatural (i.e: it does not fit the gamut of things with a natural explanation).
An investigation into the energy transfer efficiency of a two-pigment photosynthetic system using a macroscopic quantum model
What makes you think our universe has been created by some supernatural force? What evidence is there?
The fact that its existence has no rigorous natural explanation. Therefore the origin must be outside of what has been explained by natural phenomena. It is supernatural.
You made a statement earlier that even in your soul you going evidence. Let me remind you that you don't get to choose what evidence is.
Then neither do you. So stop denying what I hold up as evidences: the circumstantial, the subjective and even some objective evidences, such as those that exist in the non-emergent integrated structures of mathematics and physics.
Feelings and beliefs don't constitute evidence and the 'soul' is an invention used extensively by religious people. No evidence exist for the existence of the soul.
So, you are saying that you are soulless?
LOL
I think you are actually confusing spirit and soul, although I can understand the confusion of someone who is in denial about half of our existence.
Our soul is our intellectual and cognitive 'person'. It is not supernatural. To use a weak metaphor, our soul is the 'program' running on the 'computing device' of our brain.
Our spirit is the non-corporeal equivalent of our body, and is the supernatural part of us. It also embodies our soul (or its direct analogue). Think of it as a redundant back-up, stored in another, less volatile, media.
It looks you create even more problems for your arguments when you make reference to further religious concepts for which there is zero evidence they are true.
Funny, I have no problem with them?
It seems that you are the one saying there is no evidence, in denial of the evidences I claim.
You misunderstood what I asked you as usual. Tell me what physical or biochemical processes have supernatural causes given that you believe the origin of the universe has a supernatural cause.
I didn't say 'science doesn't know' but I clearly said we know there is none which has supernatural causes. You are the one who is making the arguments from ignorance attributing anything we don't know to God just like the old times.
Again you failed to give me an example. Photosynthesis doesn't have a supernatural cause (not even creationists believe it) and the origin of the universe is not some form of God despite your very flawed logic and claims that science doesn't have a definite answer on a number of areas where there is plenty of research at the moment.
You may want to give it a go at NASA and the various universities next time arguing that the current research in the origins of the universe is futile because you are other creationists have Jesus in your heart.
The fact you call matters we don't know yet or we haven't found a definitive answer as 'supernatural' shows the confusion of your arguments and the mistake people have repeated throughout history. According to you then everything unknown must be attributed to supernatural causes. Going back a few hundred years what people were calling 'supernatural' turned out not to be that way after all. Everything had a natural cause as science evolved and we had better knowledge and understanding of the world and of natural phenomena.
Beliefs and feelings don't constitute evidence and you don't get to choose what evidence is (I am repeating this). You need to look up what evidence is according to the standards of science and research.
There is no evidence for the existence of the supernatural world, God, demons and angels, like after death. That's not debatable but a fact. I am not asserting beliefs but stating facts. If you really have evidence for the claims you made then it's best if you present them so there could be under the usual scientific scrutiny and see if they pass the major checkpoints.
But as always there is nothing other than beliefs and feelings.
I feel that I, and others, have adequately and specifically answered your questions in this topic thread, but you keep denying the cogent points others make and just repeat your protective mantra as if asking the same question after an answer is offered, is some sort of intellectual win.
You can never learn unless you drop the mindset that will not countenance the answers.
I'm probably not going to give you further response, unless you perhaps ask some new and better questions.
originally posted by: Kennyb75
a reply to: Kurokage
This thread reminds me so much of the Origins and Creation Forum, same bunch of half wits, and dullards that star each other and try to squeeze out anyone who talks truth to them. You operate much like Hyena's circling their prey or injuns surrounding a covered wagon, whoop whoop, whoop ... difference is I have respect for hyena's and Indians.
Fact is! .. if the other half dozen or so cultists where not here, non of you would be starred at all because you all spout the same unproven mantra and present it as though they were facts.
I have a theory about the mental state of many of you here, I am sure some of you have heard this before.
Atheists and the like, are mentally challenged, simply because they are missing the most important function of their brains. We are born with two hemispheres and to operate correctly we have to maintain a coherence between them.
Left brain is the pragmatic hemisphere that deals with logic and facts. If the person doesn't receive data from the right hemisphere, they are missing their connection to their own soul and spiritual awareness.
The right hemisphere deals with intuition, creativity, inspiration, spirituality and common sense .. non of which, any of you appear to possess.
I can't be certain what has caused such a malfunction, although our education system has been geared towards academia, and has inadvertently or perhaps by design, caused many people to have atrophied right brain activity.
The globalists have produced generations of nodding donkeys, spouting data with zero understanding of the foundations behind it. I haven't experienced an ounce of independent thought or imagination from them, and nothing that one could describe as personal opinion or originality, because it is simply beyond them. You echo other peoples opinions, which is tedious to say the least.
The irony and the sadness is, that non of you are even aware that you have been damaged. It is understandable, that half brained people would be attracted to those who are equally as incapacitated and these forums are a magnet for those poor souls.
My best advice for normal people is to avoid any contact with them, and allow them to have their own safe space.
It really isn't fair and bordering on abuse, to expose them to critical thinking .. Its not their fault! .. remember that!
I believe that the noisy, tiny minorities like atheists, SHOULD be included in society with kindness, acceptance and understanding .. inclusivity is imperative in this day and age.
Have compassion and patience with them and who knows, given time and isolation they may start to think for themselves again.
All the best!
Have compassion and patience with them and who knows, given time and isolation they may start to think for themselves again
How would you know?
Thanks, I'll give them a read and get back to you
I have absolute knowledge of the existence of God .. but It can never be something, that someone can tell you, it is something very profound that you will find out for yourself.
I am experiencing the supernatural every day, I can't prove it to you but then why should I? I am simply stating the truth of my reality.
His knowledge is absolute and of course it has been revealed to him.
Christians, muslims and the like, are same blind iggnorant masses that stone people to death
They claimed to have a perfectly functioning moral sense.
You defend your science so vociferously and yet, now, it has become patently obvious that science is controlled by the globalists. Follow the money! .. The science is just fine .. the scientists themselves are lying traitors, as is the entire institute of the medical profession. Your science will be facing justice very soon.
Synchronicity
Reviewed by Psychology Today Staff
Synchronicity is a phenomenon in which people interpret two separate—and seemingly unrelated—experiences as being meaningfully intertwined, even though there is no evidence that one led to the other or that the two events are linked in any other causal way. Though many people perceive signs or spiritual meaning in synchronistic events, most scientists believe that such events are more likely coincidences that only seem meaningful due to aspects of human thinking such as confirmation bias.
That was probably the worst word to spell incorrectly.
From your little tirade here, i see you've never seen a Doctor?
Having family who have spent there entire working lives trying to help others as healthcare professionals, I see things a little different but the thread isn't about that. Lets just hope you won't need one in the future??
originally posted by: Kennyb75
When unusual synchronicities like this happen to you almost daily, sometimes, several times a day, you stop saying that was just a coincidence.
I don't understand why you can't see it. Why don't you experience those kind of events? .. Could it be that you do experience synchronicities but you just ignore them?
Most of the time I can't draw any specific message from each of those events. They appear to be just reminders that I am living in some sort of biological simulation. I am constantly experiencing the inexplicable.
Would a scientific mind, simply dismiss all of that, along with hundreds of other inexplicable "coincidences".