Does anyone else get the sense that something downright miraculous might be up ahead?

originally posted by: Venkuish1
I am not the one who is making an argument from ignorance. That goes to religionists who project God as a solution to all questions that are unanswered.

Both are if they can't back their claim. There is/isn't something besides the material world can't be proven by either side.

I don't reject people's personal experiences but they don't count as evidence in the way we consider it in science and research. I don't see how strange experiences have anything to do with the existence of a supernatural intelligent creator.

Again, you are repeating what was already stated in that post?

originally posted by: Kennyb75

It all boils down to conscious awareness and the whole purpose of our journey is to evolve our consciousness.

I am more than aware, for instance, that although we are all born as equals, there are younger and older souls.

God dumped us with a whole pile of noobies to educate .. It is our mission in life!

I am in awe of your delusion. Please seek therapy before you develop a messiah complex worse than the one you already have. As far as cognitive and physical traits, people are certainly not born equal. You may as well be writing fan-fic at this point, friend.

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

I am in awe of your delusion. Please seek therapy before you develop a messiah complex worse than the one you already have. As far as cognitive and physical traits, people are certainly not born equal. You may as well be writing fan-fic at this point, friend

Well I believe we are all born equal .. you just displayed your own messiah complex and also superiority complex. Being born equal has nothing to do with physical or cognitive attributes.

God see us all as equals, even you at a stretch.

a reply to: cooperton

Stop trying to gaslight him

I honestly didn't think he was, Kenny looked like a possible new member and the long time members here have all seen people suddenly join who seem to be having some sort of nervous breakdown, suffering a schizophrenic episode or are here as a cry for help, and some of the things Kenny described could be seen as symptoms. It's one thing to let people 'live how they live' and it's another to let someone feed their delusions without some attempt at intervention.

No offence meant to KennyB.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
My experiences with angels and demons and God Himself are supernatural.
You aren't in a position to be able to definitively determine that they aren't.
I can't speak to the personal experiences of others.
I have no idea what they are/were.
I can only speak to my own.

I mean, he is as definitive as you reasonably could be with your complete lack of evidence. You could interchange the words 'angels', 'demons' and 'god' with 'elves', 'goblins' and 'santa claus' and it literally wouldn't matter. Imagine you could hypothetically hold all of humanity at gun-point under the pretext that they have to answer 1 question correctly to live. If the question is "Has FlyersFan had personal, real-world experiences with angels, demons and god?"- 99.9% of humanity is unequivocally going to say no, absolutely not- and they wouldn't be shot in that hypothetical scenario, that's for sure.

a reply to: Kurokage

It's one thing to let people 'live how they live' and it's another to let someone feed their delusions without some attempt at intervention.

It's weird isn't it? .. and here's me, thinking I was assisting the spiritually dead to see the wonders of Gods creation.

You WILL understand one day.

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

I mean, he can be as definitive as you reasonably could with your complete lack of evidence. You could interchange the words 'angels', 'demons' and 'god' with 'elves', 'goblins' and 'santa claus' and it literally wouldn't matter. Imagine you could hypothetically hold all of humanity at gun-point under the pretext that they have to answer 1 question correctly to live. If the question is "Has FlyersFan had personal, real-world experiences with angels, demons and god?"- 99.9% of humanity is unequivocally going to say no, absolutely not- and they wouldn't be shot in that hypothetical scenario, that's for sure.

I just created another expression .. Spiritually retarded kinda sums it up.

Thanks for the giggles guys .. good night!

originally posted by: Kennyb75
a reply to: Kurokage

It's one thing to let people 'live how they live' and it's another to let someone feed their delusions without some attempt at intervention.

It's weird isn't it? .. and here's me, thinking I was assisting the spiritually dead to see the wonders of Gods creation.

You WILL understand one day.

It is weird, at least thats something we agree on!!

The trouble is, I went on the "spiritual" Journey and came out the other side. All I saw were people being taken advantage of because of a fear of dying or looking for a lost one. I never saw anything you could describe as miraculous, and found the 'you just need faith' lot to be gullible morons.

a reply to: Kurokage

In those cases the best and most moral thing to do is badmouthing, peer pressure, and bullying...

Psychology is science, try it... But be warned it's one of those fields that have the potential to make you see how you lie to yourself and most people find that a very unpleasant scientific discovery...

originally posted by: Kennyb75

Well I believe we are all born equal .. you just displayed your own messiah complex and also superiority complex. Being born equal has nothing to do with physical or cognitive attributes.

God see us all as equals, even you at a stretch.

Earlier you literally suggested that you have an older soul sent to Earth to educate younger souls- you have a messiah complex there, bud. You can believe whatever you want, it has no bearing on reality. It is a fact that people are not born equal, that is why it is up to society to not just treat everyone equally, but rather equitably instead. When you suggest that "god sees us all equally", that doesn't affect the inherent need for equitable treatment in society because it's an imaginary fantasy in your own head. Here is a classic image to illustrate the difference.

originally posted by: Terpene
In those cases the best and most moral thing to do is badmouthing, peer pressure, and bullying...

Psychology is science, try it... But be warned it's one of those fields that have the potential to make you see how you lie to yourself and most people find that a very unpleasant scientific discovery...

You should study the psychology behind delusions of grandeur....

a reply to: Kennyb75

I have my own spirituality and beliefs but I keep them to myself and don't force them on other folk.

I don't feel the need to post about them on an internet forum or claim to be "special" either.

Your spiritual journey should be an ongoing one, I very much doubt that you have all the answers.

Best wishes.

originally posted by: NovemberHemisphere

originally posted by: Kennyb75

Well I believe we are all born equal .. you just displayed your own messiah complex and also superiority complex. Being born equal has nothing to do with physical or cognitive attributes.

God see us all as equals, even you at a stretch.

Earlier you literally suggested that you have an older soul sent to Earth to educate younger souls- you have a messiah complex there, bud. You can believe whatever you want, it has no bearing on reality. It is a fact that people are not born equal, that is why it is up to society to not just treat everyone equally, but rather equitably instead. When you suggest that "god sees us all equally", that doesn't affect the inherent need for equitable treatment in society because it's an imaginary fantasy in your own head. Here is a classic image to illustrate the difference.

And that is a terrible example isn't it? it doesn't make one bit of difference, wether you use the equality example or the WOKE equity example .. it doesn't change the fact that they are different sizes, however you label them.

If I was an employer for instance, it would be the value that person could bring to my business, the small guy could be a genius because of his environment and the tall guy could be a p!ss head because of his environment, but we are all BORN equal in the eyes of God. It doesn't say we all die equal as you will find out when you get there.

a reply to: Kennyb75

You kind of miss the point.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Your spiritual journey should be an ongoing one, I very much doubt that you have all the answers.

I don't have many answers at all, I rely on logic a lot .. Logic relies on information, information relies on ones ability to gather and assimilate it. The information I have is real, because I have empirically established its veracity. I don't have to convince anyone else .. I just know!

"I don't feel the need to post about my beliefs on an internet forum or claim to be "special" either."

I am only doing it because we area discussing a topic, where spirituality is featured.

Best wishes too! ~ genuine

You kind of miss the point.

No I didn't.

The guy in red could have lifted the little guy onto his shoulder with the label 'humanity', Now that would have a real message

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

Imagine you could hypothetically hold all of humanity at gun-point under the pretext that they have to answer 1 question correctly to live.

If you hold someone at gun point, they are going to tell you what they think it is you want to hear 99.9% of the time. Regardless of what they really think.

a reply to: NovemberHemisphere

Low self esteem is often the reason somone is intimidated and accuses others with delusions of grandeur.

Low slef esteem is much more prevalent than actual illusions of grandeur...

Try again...

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Venkuish1
But there is nothing supernatural in the personal experiences described by the various posters in this thread.

My experiences with angels and demons and God Himself are supernatural.
You aren't in a position to be able to definitively determine that they aren't.
I can't speak to the personal experiences of others.
I have no idea what they are/were.
I can only speak to my own.

I leave it to you to tell me what is wrong with the premise of your argument.

You can replace the words angels/demons/God with anything you want for example ghosts/hobbits/gremlins.

a reply to: cooperton

Something miraculous could happen after all and satisfy the very peculiar understanding you have about evolution.

E.Coli may finally transform and become another bacterium and hence prove to you the version of evolution you have in your mind.

That will be a miracle!

originally posted by: Venkuish1
You can replace the words angels/demons/God with anything you want for example ghosts/hobbits/gremlins.

Except that what I experienced wasn't hobbits or gremlins.
My personal experiences are enough evidence for me.
If you had experienced them, they may be enough for you.
Or maybe not. I have no idea.

What I read out of cooperton and kenny ...
cooperton is a raging pseudo-scientist and kenny needs some intervention.

My final word - the topic of the thread is 'does anyone else get the sense
of something miraculous about to happen' - and my response is NO.
God doesn't usually work like that. He just lets us implode and suffer.
Sucks. But I guess there is learning that comes from it.

/out