Are you a BAMN never Trumper? And is that a bad thing?

originally posted by: opethPA
a reply to: network dude

Solid post and certainly worth the read regardless of if I agree with it all.

I do not believe that either Trump or Biden should be allowed anywhere near the office of President. If i had to pick i would choose Trump simply because he is younger than Biden. Still thats like choosing to be punched or kicked, neither one is going to feel good. Both parties have to do better then these 2 going forward.

TDS runs both ways though. He is not the cause of every problem just like he is not the solution. He isnt the White Knight that some believe him to be but he isnt the menacing evil waiting to destroy.

If he is found guilty of crimes and as a fucntion of that is prevented from running for office then he is accountable for that outcome. The same exact level of accoutability should be applied to Biden or better said to any POTUS regardless of party.

In this particular instance, you could change "Trump" with "literally any one else" to better understand what I'm trying to say here. Perhaps I'm wrong, but in my thinking, even the most ardent Trump haters (if they have integrity and morals) should at the very least see that we are going down the wrong path with how this is being done. Currently "the white house" is using the DOJ to attempt to make sure Trump can't be on the ballot, one way or the other. In my eyes, that's a totalitarian move, and not something anyone here should be cheering on. Hate him, vote for Joetatoe out of spite, vote for none of the above, but doing it this way is wrong and I have trouble seeing why so many allow it, or at least cheer it on.

Or am I wrong and just blinded by my total love and devotion to Trump?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33

If Trump ever tries to subvert the Constitution, then his followers will turn on him like a pack of rabid weasels.

So far, the democrats have supported; censorship, open borders. Directly in contrast, stark contrast to our Constitution.

They actually defend and support the elimination of the 1st and 2nd amendments also the entire premise of innocent until proven guilty.

I think being exposed has upset many on the left. But I do agree, if Trump was to do something anti-constitution, folks would be plenty pissed and he would know fast. He tried to do that thing with the Bump Stocks, and many had something to say about it. The lefties manufacture their own reality, so there is no need to try to get them to see the one we all live in.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33

If Trump ever tries to subvert the Constitution, then his followers will turn on him like a pack of rabid weasels.
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No you won't. He already did try to subvert the Constitution when he tried multiple illegal ways to stay in power after the Constitutionally mandated process for selecting the POTUS told him he lost. And you're fine with that. You make up all kinds of excuses and denials and try to normalize that behavior--"It was Nancy Pelosi"--"It was Antifa"--"It was the FBI". It was anyone EXCEPT the guy who called the Governor of Georgia and pressured him to make up fake election results. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who told his co-conspiritors in the swing states to make up fake slates of electors. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who scheduled a protest rally on the day that the joint session of Congress was scheduled to certify his loss. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who sat on his ass in the Oval Office throwing ketchup against the wall pissed off that the Secret Service wouldn't let him personally lead his mob to the Capitol building. No other POTUS in the history of the country has ever attempted that kind of crap. None.

Fortunately for the country, Trump is no more competent at running a coup than he was at running a Casino or Trump University. But he tried.

Own it.

I'm prepared to own it, but I first have to understand it.

Can you explain what actions Trump took that tried to "subvert the Constitution", with an example or two? What I saw was him giving a speech, complaining about being robbed of the vote, and getting a whole bunch of people good and pissed off by complaining about being robbed of the vote. Now that might be childish, it might be petty, and he could be totally wrong, and 81 million people really did vote for a dementia patient. But unless he met with groups of people and convinced them to go to the capitol and beat up some cops, and thought that would overturn the election, I just don't get it. I asked you this in another thread, but you usually don't have the stones to back up your words. We will see if this time is different.

a reply to: WingDingLuey

Hmm... you missed him working with Eastman and Guiliani and him speaking with the fake electors in Michigan about this? Don't worry, there are threads here and ongoing court cases related to this, so you can catch up.

So his Truth Social post was not just talk. He was actively involved in the plot.

a reply to: network dude

The only LEGITIMATE BAMN Never Trumpers are those with something to lose, or something that will no longer be kept secret, if Trump is President again.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33

If Trump ever tries to subvert the Constitution, then his followers will turn on him like a pack of rabid weasels.

No they won't.

They'll find a way to justify it.

Just like they do now with anything/everything Trump does.

Just like how the democrats are doing it?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: WingDingLuey

Hmm... you missed him working with Eastman and Guiliani and him speaking with the fake electors in Michigan about this? Don't worry, there are threads here and ongoing court cases related to this, so you can catch up.

So his Truth Social post was not just talk. He was actively involved in the plot.

What examples are there that The Constitution was violated? 😧

Any real ones not just hypos and conjecture and assumable ? 😀

a reply to: frogs453

what was the plan? Go to the capitol unarmed, have a tiny fraction of the people there take some swings at cops, then tell everyone to go home. I'm just not seeing the grand plan, but you do, so please explain it.

originally posted by: Boomer1947

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33

If Trump ever tries to subvert the Constitution, then his followers will turn on him like a pack of rabid weasels.
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No you won't. He already did try to subvert the Constitution when he tried multiple illegal ways to stay in power after the Constitutionally mandated process for selecting the POTUS told him he lost. And you're fine with that. You make up all kinds of excuses and denials and try to normalize that behavior--"It was Nancy Pelosi"--"It was Antifa"--"It was the FBI". It was anyone EXCEPT the guy who called the Governor of Georgia and pressured him to make up fake election results. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who told his co-conspiritors in the swing states to make up fake slates of electors. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who scheduled a protest rally on the day that the joint session of Congress was scheduled to certify his loss. Anyone EXCEPT the guy who sat on his ass in the Oval Office throwing ketchup against the wall pissed off that the Secret Service wouldn't let him personally lead his mob to the Capitol building. No other POTUS in the history of the country has ever attempted that kind of crap. None.

Fortunately for the country, Trump is no more competent at running a coup than he was at running a Casino or Trump University. But he tried.

Own it.

As usual, that’s a lot of Liberal fairy tales but we expect that from you guys.

Anyone with more that 2 brain cells knows what really happened and that ain’t it.

The left is ASSUMING that we'd act like them if Trump went full fascist.

They don't have the awareness that that is what they are doing right now.

a reply to: network dude

I can go further for you? I'm pot-committed to this now, might as well.

He's a freaking analog on Hitler in Munich without an impending final solution. Non-Geonocidal Hitler. Like reading Mein Kampf and applying it in the post-fascism world.

His entire approach has been nothing but his struggles at the hands of a dastardly ruling elite, the victim cards and boogeymen that are responsible for the loss of greatness in our society. That tries to keep him and by extension his country from it's glory.

He doesn't hurt my feels, his followers scare the sh,*t out me. He is just a further right republican on some things, but his followers have him in Messiah status. And that scares me.

And if Huckabee's fearful response is any indication, Trump is the vehicle of Christian Nationalism. Reminiscent of child-eating elites taking away the country for Satan and The WEF.

"The Great Awakening From The Woke" piggybacking on Trump better be secular and leave me the f*ck alone, and let my state constitution insulate me from the larger holy war taking place.

That's pretty much my concern on this.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: network dude

I can go further for you? I'm pot-committed to this now, might as well.

He's a freaking analog on Hitler

Stopped reading right there - get help

a reply to: Degradation33

"Mein Orange"?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Degradation33

"Mein Orange"?

"MAGA Kampf"?

a reply to: underpass61

It's always amusing to see those on the left who HATE the idea of living in a great country.

a reply to: DBCowboy

He's using it so well too. I actually have respect for his lack of tact being ultimately tactful. It's dislike at the same time it's astonishment how freaking adept he is at this.

It was a thing of beauty to do this while maintaining a legally defensible position (politically). Everything people tried gave him the fodder he needed to sell it further. And Biden failed so gracelessly its like it lacks ANY INDETERMINISM QUALITIES.

From the moment he lost, he won the 2024 election, regardless of what Joe did.

His struggles (Orange man witch hunts) definitely helped.


I honestly don't care. He's the next president. Hopefully states rights survive.

The BAMNinator

a reply to: Degradation33

They're becoming Socialist. Just call it what it is. The left is going left into secular socialism (Authoritative Nanny state) and the right is going towards christian nationalism. (Authoritative theocracy).

How exactly is the right leaning toward Christian nationalism?

Is there a certain set of policies that indicate that?

a reply to: Degradation33

He's a freaking analog on Hitler in Munich without an impending final solution. Non-Geonocidal Hitler. Like reading Mein Kampf and applying it in the post-fascism world.

You don’t recognize how deranged you sound?

a reply to: WingDingLuey

Michigan? Non elected electors? Signing fraudulent docs and then sent to Pence? Under the direction of Trump,Eastman and Guiliani?

ARTICLE II SECTION 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. * * * * * * The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

TWELFTH AMENDMENT The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—

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