Native American art is being covered up in museums across the country

a reply to: frogs453

It's not fair but that's what happens when you're conquered.

Quote from the article:

"Now the government is urging institutions to push forward with the information they have, in some cases relying solely on geographical information — such as what county the remains were discovered in."

In other words we are in some cases asking for permission from people that really had nothing to do with the objects in the first place.

Edit to add:

The people in this thread saying it's ridiculous that we don't know where these things came from are just wrong.

And the ones saying I haven't read the article seem to have not read the article.

Based on the posts in this thread I can assume most here were equally disgusted when they started taking down historic American statues.
I want my damn Thomas Jefferson statue back!

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

You sure aren't the brightest bulb in the bunch. I know a few museum curators, and all the items have permission to be there, and are given to the museums TO BE THERE, by all kinds of people. All native items in museums are there only because the tribes sent them there to BE THERE.

Your race baiting is pathetic.

originally posted by: Vermilion

Based on the posts in this thread I can assume most here were equally disgusted when they started taking down historic American statues.
I want my damn Thomas Jefferson statue back!

Yeah, I was just thinking about how the ani racist tore down a statue of Lincoln that was paid for by freed slaves.

I'm scared for this country. I truly am.

a reply to: 5thHead
I'm in Minnesota. Are there no reservations in your area were they may have there own museums?

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

You sure aren't the brightest bulb in the bunch. I know a few museum curators, and all the items have permission to be there, and are given to the museums TO BE THERE, by all kinds of people. All native items in museums are there only because the tribes sent them there to BE THERE.

Your race baiting is pathetic.

Yet the law in effect since 1990 states the tribes must give permission for the items to be displayed. These museums have not, therefore they cannot be displayed.

You call me a race baiter, yet the OP claims it's some vast conspiracy to make white people look evil. And that post I made, makes no mention of race. I would guess the OP is white because he's trying to make it seem like someone(not sure who) is only doing this to disparage white people.

Nice try though.

a reply to: Lichter daraus

No. They were erased from my area. Moved to reservations and as I've mentioned even speaking their language was outlawed.

The only place to learn would be a museum. ...or a place called moundville. Moundville was part of a culture that was gone before Europeans ever arrived on the continent. But I guess if we want to learn about the people that built the mounds we would have to ask permission from people that lived in tascaloosa county much later than the ones that built the mounds.

Weird how in Alabama there are so many names of places that are derived from native words yet the language was outlawed. In fact I'm pretty sure those laws are still on the books.

Believe it or not it's fairly difficult to find out about the history of Alabama before the white people took over. They erased the past almost completely.

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

You sure aren't the brightest bulb in the bunch. I know a few museum curators, and all the items have permission to be there, and are given to the museums TO BE THERE, by all kinds of people. All native items in museums are there only because the tribes sent them there to BE THERE.

Your race baiting is pathetic.

You call me a race baiter, yet the OP claims it's some vast conspiracy to make white people look evil.

Nice try though.

No. I'm saying that the same white people that claim to be anti racist, in this case the Biden administration, are effectively doing what they have always done. Get rid of other cultures.

Don't forget, the Democrats were the party of slavery. They were the party of Jim crowe. They were the party of the KKK.

And now under the guise of inclusivity and representation they are covering up non white cultural history with blankets and saying "well this stuff has been stolen so ...well it's offensive and well no one should be allowed to see this stuff". And all the half wits buy it hook line and sinker and pat themselves on the back for closing down native American exhibits across the country.

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK

Why do you ask?

Someone free of colonialism...lol OK

How many Americans do you think ancestors owned slaves or had ancestors back before let's say the Revolutionary War?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Worm hole here but...

Before the revolution they weren't Americans (as in United States of America) they were colonialists. Subjects of Britain.

As for slaves.... I don't know but the Choctaw and Cherokee and other tribes held black slaves.

White people aren't the only people that did horrible things.

a reply to: 5thHead

Hmmm, so tribes have been complaining for years(feel free to read numerous articles, I only linked one) about museums not following the law. Museums will now follow the law and its Biden's fault?

There were many long standing claims by federally recognized NA tribes that needed to be addressed. This law was entered as a proposed bill and passed into law. Again, they wanted and welcomed this law. In 1990 they also passed the Native American language law and Arts and Crafts law. All beneficial to Native American tribes.

So, you believe the NA tribes should just shut up and not be consulted by law as required and as they wish to be,because why? So that a few random people don't get upset and think the law is solely to make white people look bad?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

Hmmm, so tribes have been complaining for years(feel free to read numerous articles, I only linked one) about museums not following the law. Museums will now follow the law and its Biden's fault?

There were many long standing claims by federally recognized NA tribes that needed to be addressed. This law was entered as a proposed bill and passed into law. Again, they wanted and welcomed this law. In 1990 they also passed the Native American language law and Arts and Crafts law. All beneficial to Native American tribes.

So, you believe the NA tribes should just shut up and not be consulted by law as required and as they wish to be,because why? So that a few random people don't get upset and think the law is solely to make white people look bad?

Ok. I get it. You can't read.

Seriously, go read the article.

Firstly, yes, it's the Biden administration. The article says that very clearly. It's right at the beginning.

Secondly, no. If there is a legitimate issue then address the issue but if you read the article or half the posts I've made quoting the article you would see that much of the stuff being covered up or taken down can't be traced to existing tribes. You would have to get permission from people that have nothing to do with the objects.

Lastly, no. I'm not saying the law is to make white look bad. I'm saying that the democratic party and specifically the Biden administration is doing what the Democrats have always done historically. Erase non white cultures. These days they just do it by claiming their looking out for all the non white people.

But if you had read anything I've posted in this thread you would have already absorbed this information.

Cheers.

Edit to add:

The article you linked to doesn't address a lot of what I'm talking about. But that's not surprising considering the source. Please read the article in the op. It works fine for me. I didn't pay for it. I keep returning to it and posting quotes from it so if it doesn't work for you then I don't know why.

Here is a link to another article that has much of the same stuff.

www.nbcnews.com...

YES. It is the Biden administration.

And this is NBC. Something I'm sure YOU can trust.

a reply to: frogs453

Yeah, every place of business is doing it. It's all part of the Reconciliation program.

I think it's a great idea, but non-Indigenous people are hating it. I don't really get it, it's almost like non-Indigenous people have to give it a racist spin, and others perhaps fear that they will no longer be in control? I think I'm in a bit of a different position as my sister-in-law is Indigenous. As modern of a day that we live in right now, the cultures between the two have a really difficult time understanding each other, and my view is that non-Indigenous people don't even try to understand whereas the Indigenous are quite welcoming and non judgemental right off the bat. Both sides have issues, but there is so much work to do.

What is a territorial or land acknowledgement?

A territorial or land acknowledgement is an act of reconciliation that involves making a statement recognizing the traditional territory of the Indigenous people who called the land home before the arrival of settlers, and in many cases still do call it home.

originally posted by: frogs453

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

You sure aren't the brightest bulb in the bunch. I know a few museum curators, and all the items have permission to be there, and are given to the museums TO BE THERE, by all kinds of people. All native items in museums are there only because the tribes sent them there to BE THERE.

Your race baiting is pathetic.

Yet the law in effect since 1990 states the tribes must give permission for the items to be displayed. These museums have not, therefore they cannot be displayed.

You call me a race baiter, yet the OP claims it's some vast conspiracy to make white people look evil. And that post I made, makes no mention of race. I would guess the OP is white because he's trying to make it seem like someone(not sure who) is only doing this to disparage white people.

Nice try though.

That's BS. Tribes have given permission for all the museums I have been to. That's how the items got there in the first place.

If there's some rogue museums that have not been, then it's very few, since museums are all run by municipalities and have strict guidelines.

You are a race baiter. Cherry pick something and run with it is what the left has been doing for many years, then swoop in and pretend to be the superhero come to save the day and admonish the villains.

a reply to: BukkaWukka

Please read the article in the op.

They are removing things that are over12,000 years old. Who stole darts 12,000 years ago? Who do you ask permission to display things 12,000 years old?

Not everything is stolen. And getting permission from people that have no connection to the artifacts makes no sense.

There are many cultures that are no longer around to ask.

The article says some indigenous people are concerned they will be overwhelmed and not have the resources to deal with this.

The article even says you have to get permission just to research these cultures. Wow really? Going to the library and checking out books is research but I guess that's not ok unless you get permission.

This is crazy world

originally posted by: 5thHead

Before the revolution they weren't Americans (as in United States of America) they were colonialists. Subjects of Britain.

As for slaves.... I don't know but the Choctaw and Cherokee and other tribes held black slaves.

White people aren't the only people that did horrible things.

Ok I know... what is your point...

My post was to a Brit that stated " I didn't steal anyone's lands, and neither did any of my ancestors"

a reply to: Xtrozero

None. Lol

I'll butt out.

I guess we are not only on opposite days but in opposite year. Geez, it wasn't that long ago the liberals were complaining there is too much whiteness to history and museums etc.

Same for the age children reach adults...Wasn't that long ago Liberals were pushing the idea that it not until like 25, and then it is 7... WTF are they all thinking about...