Native American art is being covered up in museums across the country

www.nytimes.com...

There are several articles on this if you look, but I'm surprised this isn't a super big deal that everyone is talking about.

Basically, it looks like museums are covering up their native American displays because white people are evil and not allowed to talk about native Americans.

Funny how the people who claim to be anti racist are the same people who want to erase the history of non white people.

Yeah, I read about this. Native Americans really pushed for decades and decades to be represented and to have their cultures learned and appreciated ... and now it's all being taken down and/or closed off. Truly retarded.

a reply to: 5thHead
European colonist institutions basically stole their lands, so reading the article, it seems a reasonable request about returning artifacts if requested by tribes today.

I got no dog in this fight though, I didn't steal anyone's lands, and neither did any of my ancestors

a reply to: 5thHead

The OP link was paywalled, but I did find this:

The Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act was enacted in 1990, requiring museums and federal agencies to identify and send back stolen sacred items to their respective cultural groups, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland said in a statement. But after widespread complaints of poor compliance, the Department of the Interior issued new rules this month that strengthen the law, setting a deadline of five years for the federally funded entities to ensure their collections comply.

Washington Post
So not following this law for 34 years, and it's now being enforced really just means "white people are evil and can't talk about Native Americans"?

I hoped your stretched before that reach.

They just have to follow the law and get the approval to display the stolen items. That's wrong?

a reply to: AdultMaleHumanUK

If I find an arrow head in the dirt who do I ask for permission to put it in a display case? Who claims to have all the answers of which tribe shot or lost said arrowhead?

I know all the arguments, but in the end we are erasing history. Just a few months ago I went to a museum and by far the most interesting part was the native American section. It's hard to imagine all that stuff being covered up.... Erased.

And it's not just certain items in question. Entire halls are being closed off or covered. ...as if this history is too offensive to be viewed.

Up is down. We live on a very scary clown world.

a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

a reply to: frogs453

Link worked for me and I certainly didn't pay for it. IDK?

Well I guess the answer is just to get rid of all the displays and just cover up all native American history. /S

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: 5thHead

So, if I come to your property, kick you out, take all your stuff, never let you return, causing the death of you and your family most likely, your relatives would be cool with your stuff being in a museum, without their permission?

Yeah, like I said. Erase history. Kids shouldn't be allowed to view this stuff. Evil white thief's end of story.

originally posted by: AdultMaleHumanUK
a reply to: 5thHead
European colonist institutions basically stole their lands, so reading the article, it seems a reasonable request about returning artifacts if requested by tribes today.

I got no dog in this fight though, I didn't steal anyone's lands, and neither did any of my ancestors

It's not just things tribes have requested. It's everything has to be approved wether requested or not.

Who do you ask when you don't know exactly where it came from?

What will happen when tribes all of a sudden have all this stuff show up on their door step? Will they be overwhelmed? Do they have the resources to deal with all that? Seems like at best things will get lost and damaged and there will be less stuff in the end.

a reply to: 5thHead
From what I read, it seems more like museums doing their best to cover their arses like 'We've stopped showing the artifacts until permissions are clarified' so keeps the tribes happy temporarily, but passes the responsibility and work to tribes who now become overwhelm with permission requests.

Bottom line is the artifacts were stolen from indigenous people, and it's always gonna need sorting while descendants of the victims continue to make a claim.

I don't see anything screaming white people are evil in the article, or any similar articles I've now read on this topic.

Ok, land bridge. “You didn’t build that”.

Now please go back to Asia.

Bigfoot didn’t deserve the Asian invasion from over the land bridge. This is not your land.

Thankfully, the Europeans got here just in time.

a reply to: 5thHead

What are you talking about? This is a 34 year old law that is not being enforced. How does obtaining permission mean it will erase history?

You don't believe that the museums know where and what tribes these items came from? You think they have them listed as "random pot, found somewhere out there on NA land? They just have to approach the specific councils or whatever, why do they have to send them back at this time? There is this cool thing called technology where they can send them images, or perhaps invite them to view personally if they want. The items stay if approved and return to the tribe if they don't approve.

They can display them in their own museum if they want, they could display them however they want with pride.

I'm sorry but again to me you really seem to be searching for a reason to feel excluded or hurt over this.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

But that's the argument. You even just said it. Everything is stolen so it must be returned. Stolen by who? ...whitey.

If there is a display showing something that dates back to pre Colombian civilizations such as in moundville out side of Tuscaloosa AL. Is it stolen?

A lot of this stuff was dug up from the dirt.

a reply to: frogs453

Well it is being enforced, that's why the exhibits are being closed. It's kinda the point of the thread.

a reply to: 5thHead

Sorry but they are not erasing anything. The local natives where I live built there own museum to display all there artifacts. The museum is beautiful.


Peace

a reply to: 5thHead

I'm curious did you read the article?

The vibe I got was nothing of the sort to suggest history is being swept under the rug or re written, the museums are simply following new regulations to ask permission to display the art and artifacts.

It's a bit of a pain in the butt to sort through and then trace back every artifact, but this is what the native populations have clearly lobbied government for. The same sort of rules exist here in Canada.

originally posted by: 5thHead
a reply to: frogs453

Until they get permission as they should have done since 1990. If you are so dearly concerned about the history of NA people, how about you go and view their own museums, you won't be turned away because you're white, and if there is any fee to enter their own museum it will go directly to benefit those people. Seems like a good idea.

Well it is being enforced, that's why the exhibits are being closed. It's kinda the point of the thread.

Until they get permission. You know if you're very concerned about history being erased, or a display being closed for a few months, you could go to their lands and visit their own museums and displays.

Liberal Equality at work again. 😃

originally posted by: Lichter daraus
a reply to: 5thHead

Sorry but they are not erasing anything. The local natives where I live built there own museum to display all there artifacts. The museum is beautil


Peace

Do you live in NY city? Chicago? I'm not sure where you live but not everyone can travel to Arizona or wherever you are. They shipped these people off to reservations and now they want to do the same with these displays.

The colonialists wanted to wipe out all traces of these people and now it seems the Biden administration wants to do the same thing. Just get rid of them ship them out of here send them to reservations. Out of site out of mind.

Second verse same as the first. Sad people don't see what's really going on.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: 5thHead

I'm curious did you read the article?

The vibe I got was nothing of the sort to suggest history is being swept under the rug or re written, the museums are simply following new regulations to ask permission to display the art and artifacts.

It's a bit of a pain in the butt to sort through and then trace back every artifact, but this is what the native populations have clearly lobbied government for. The same sort of rules exist here in Canada.

I'm not sure I would be looking to Canada for advice on how to deal with native cultures.

following the regulations only closes the exhibits. Take a step back and look at the big picture. This is not the answer.