Arizona Republican Party chair caught trying to bribe Kari Lake

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Here is the exact law. Lake does not meet the definition of public official.

18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses

and yet the law doesn't specify that anyone involved must be a public official.


BTW, that's called a strawman.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Here is the exact law. Lake does not meet the definition of public official.

18 U.S. Code § 201 - Bribery of public officials and witnesses

and yet the law doesn't specify that anyone involved must be a public official.


BTW, that's called a strawman.

It’s astonishing how quickly these clowns will condone crooked, or at the very least, unethical sh!t when it goes against people they don’t like.

I would think that whether it’s criminal bribery or not depends on who the ‘people back east’ are.
If they are politicians or a foreign government it’s going to be very ugly.
We need names.

a reply to: network dude

(1)directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
(A)to influence any official act; or
(B)to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
(2)being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A)being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B)being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;

Tell us you didn't click the link without telling us you didn't click the link.

a reply to: RazorV66

I don't care what the GOP does to burn their own party to the ground. Just pointing out that bribery is only a crime in certain instances. This is not one of those times.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

(1)directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises anything of value to any public official or person who has been selected to be a public official, or offers or promises any public official or any person who has been selected to be a public official to give anything of value to any other person or entity, with intent—
(A)to influence any official act; or
(B)to influence such public official or person who has been selected to be a public official to commit or aid in committing, or collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)to induce such public official or such person who has been selected to be a public official to do or omit to do any act in violation of the lawful duty of such official or person;
(2)being a public official or person selected to be a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return for:
(A)being influenced in the performance of any official act;
(B)being influenced to commit or aid in committing, or to collude in, or allow, any fraud, or make opportunity for the commission of any fraud, on the United States; or
(C)being induced to do or omit to do any act in violation of the official duty of such official or person;

Tell us you didn't click the link without telling us you didn't click the link.

Bribery Law
The criminal offense of bribery involves offering or giving something of value to another person, usually a public official. The purpose of the conduct usually must be:

To influence that person in their official capacity;
To induce them to do something illegal or allow something illegal to occur; or
To induce them to do or omit to do anything else that would violate the law or contradict their official duties.
Many definitions of bribery also include what might be described as the reverse situation, when a public official solicits or demands something of value in exchange for an official act. It also applies to efforts to influence jurors and people who are preparing to give testimony under oath.

Bribery bears some resemblance to the crime of blackmail, since both are often intended to influence the actions of others. The difference is in the means used. Blackmail, much like extortion, involves the use of threats to influence someone’s actions. Bribery achieves its aims by giving, offering, or promising something of value. Once a bribery scheme is underway, the person giving the bribes could turn to blackmail by threatening to reveal the prior acceptance of bribes.

still the link to the source you aren't smart enough to read.

tell me you are making this up without telling me you are making this up.

a reply to: network dude

Sorry but a Justia link giving a brief overview of bribery law does not trump the actual law in question.

By the way, from your link:

The federal bribery statute prohibits individuals, businesses, and others from “giv[ing], offer[ing] or promis[ing] anything of value” to a public official, or someone who is awaiting final approval to a government position, in order to influence him or her in carrying out official duties. It also prohibits public officials from seeking anything of value in exchange for influence.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: network dude

Sorry but a Justia link giving a brief overview of bribery law does not trump the actual law in question.

By the way, from your link:

The federal bribery statute prohibits individuals, businesses, and others from “giv[ing], offer[ing] or promis[ing] anything of value” to a public official, or someone who is awaiting final approval to a government position, in order to influence him or her in carrying out official duties. It also prohibits public officials from seeking anything of value in exchange for influence.

so the law you quoted is THE bribery law, and all bribery charges fall under that law? Or is the law you cited SPECIFIC to elected officials?

originally posted by: Vermilion

I would think that whether it’s criminal bribery or not depends on who the ‘people back east’ are.
If they are politicians or a foreign government it’s going to be very ugly.
We need names.

Yea, that part is also problematic for the DERP brigade. If there is only one law for Bribery, and the only way bribery is a crime is when elected officials are involved, there might be some trouble with the elected officials that forced Jeff to pressure Keri through a bribe to drop out. Sure hope they aren't dems.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: RazorV66

I don't care what the GOP does to burn their own party to the ground. Just pointing out that bribery is only a crime in certain instances. This is not one of those times.

But your lack of integrity won’t let you admit that the offer of money to keep Lake from running is shady AF, if not a crime.

a reply to: network dude

It is one of two federal statutes pertaining to bribery. The other one, as your own link points out, pertains to bribery of government-funded programs, which clearly doesn't apply here.

a reply to: RazorV66

I never said it wasn't shady. But it's not a crime.

a reply to: Threadbarer

that is a relief. Since it could be construed that Keri pressured Jeff with the threat of releasing more damning recordings. She is in the clear! Thanks to you.

a reply to: network dude

Not necessarily. Blackmail falls under a different statute. If there's evidence of Dewit comitting a crime in the remaining recordings and Lake told him she would release it unless he resigned, then she would be guilty of blackmail.

a reply to: RazorV66

But your lack of integrity won’t let you admit that the offer of money to keep Lake from running is shady AF, if not a crime.

Isn't SAF the basis for Donny's entire platform?


This whole thing is shady... And a lot of it is coming from the side of Ms. Lake. It stinks of Project Veritas

I guess we'll see. Or, at least - some of us will

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: RazorV66

But your lack of integrity won’t let you admit that the offer of money to keep Lake from running is shady AF, if not a crime.

Isn't SAF the basis for Donny's entire platform?

How do you figure that?

America First is only shady to the people that hate America.

a reply to: RazorV66

America First is only shady to the people that hate America.

Where to begin?

Let me ask you a question: what is it about America that you love?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: RazorV66

America First is only shady to the people that hate America.

Where to begin?

Let me ask you a question: what is it about America that you love?

With the Democrats in charge, there’s not much to love at the moment.

a reply to: RazorV66

Are you afraid to answer the question?

I know having an actual conversation with people you don't like is difficult, but sometimes it's worth the effort

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: RazorV66

Are you afraid to answer the question?

I know having an actual conversation with people you don't like is difficult, but sometimes it's worth the effort

I answered the question.
That’s not good enough for you?