So this is what Hamas considers 'freedom fighting' ...

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ToneD

so this is what the 'chosen' say is SELF-DEFENCE ? ? ?

Not sure how this is "self defence" either.

But they're only Palestinians so guess it doesn't matter their age because HAMASS !!!

Remind me , who are the terrorists again ?

it's a good thing no children were harmed with HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th. Just think of how horrific it could have been if children were raped and killed. Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

All of Gaza was involved in the disgusting events of October 7th.

Any information from “experts” is coming from corrupt organizations on the ground AKA HAMAS.

Unless these experts are on the ground counting bodies and sorting civilians from Hamas bodies which is virtually impossible because the Hamas cowards dress like civilians.

Those experts are not on ground.

These liars are..

Britain, Italy and Finland on Saturday became the latest countries to pause funding for the United Nations’ refugee agency for Palestinians (UNRWA), following allegations its staff were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel, Reuters reports.

Set up to help refugees of the 1948 war at Israel’s founding, UNRWA provides education, health and aid services to Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. It helps about two thirds of Gaza’s 2.3 million population and has played a pivotal aid role during the current war.

The United States, Australia and Canada had already paused funding to the aid agency after Israel said 12 UNRWA employees were involved in the cross-border attack. The agency has opened an investigation into several employees severed ties with them.

www.middleeastmonitor.com...

originally posted by: gortex

Nobody is saying that but more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces , when is enough enough ?

That is a lot of people period, do we see mass graves? We also know Israel attacks targets with a military objective and not like Russia who launched millions of unguided 155 rounds and things like barrel bombs that are used just to create mass destruction. What you and others with the same viewpoints do not ask why are the people there in the first place. Why isn't Hamas working to get people out of the war zones, why did they blow up a flatbed of 70 women and children as people tried to get out? They are an extreme draconian rule and they do not give a crap about anyone but themselves.

Have you ever thought that Hamas doesn't want the civilians to leave, and is happy that so many might have been killed?

How many Israeli children have died fighting in Netanyahu's ill-conceived war ? .... at least 210 soldiers have died for his despotic regime and 258 sustained serious injuries , most of them conscripts.

Sorry, war isn't some fair fight...

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

No excuses then. Israel is responsible for what they've done and how they chose to handle this

Responsible for what? Responsible for a war they didn't start? We see it as maybe extreme to our viewpoints, but then we are 6000 miles away all comfy like and making opinions. Is America responsible for the 20 years of war after 3500 people were killed in NY? War isn't tit for tat in you shoot at me and then I shoot at you... It is you shoot at me and I kill you and all the people around you too. This isn't some sport.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Israel is responsible for what they've done and how they chose to handle this

Hamas and the so called 'Palestinians' are responsible. If they hadn't attacked Israel, then Israel wouldn't be having to defend themselves and no one in Gaza would have been hurt or killed. And the point of defending yourself is to keep yourself safe while wiping out the bad guy with overwhelming force, so they don't do it again. Hamas has promised never to stop, therefore Israel must not stop until Hamas is destroyed. Any collateral damage is the fault of Hamas ... they could end this instantly by returning the hostages, laying down their weapons, and giving up power.

And you keep deflecting and avoiding the actual topic of this thread and the question - How is RAPE 'Freedom Fighting'??

a reply to: Xtrozero

Responsible for what? Responsible for a war they didn't start? We see it as maybe extreme to our viewpoints, but then we are 6000 miles away all comfy like and making opinions. Is America responsible for the 20 years of war after 3500 people were killed in NY? War isn't tit for tat in you shoot at me and then I shoot at you... It is you shoot at me and I kill you and all the people around you too. This isn't some sport.

You already admitted they overreacted. Why are you still arguing?

No - it's not a sport. Why are you treating it it like it's a football game? With scores?

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Israel is responsible for what they've done and how they chose to handle this

Hamas and the so called 'Palestinians' are responsible. If they hadn't attacked Israel, then Israel wouldn't be having to defend themselves and no one in Gaza would have been hurt or killed. And the point of defending yourself is to keep yourself safe while wiping out the bad guy with overwhelming force, so they don't do it again. Hamas has promised never to stop, therefore Israel must not stop until Hamas is destroyed. Any collateral damage is the fault of Hamas ... they could end this instantly by returning the hostages, laying down their weapons, and giving up power.

And you keep deflecting and avoiding the actual topic of this thread and the question - How is RAPE 'Freedom Fighting'??

I'm here because someone else posted about how the retaliation for the crimes of Hamas is itself a crime. I agree with and support his position. If that's deflection, so be it

Report me and have my posts removed. I'm good with that

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
I'm here because someone else posted about how the retaliation for the crimes of Hamas is itself a crime. I agree with and support his position. If that's deflection, so be it

Self defense isn't 'retaliation'.
And that was off topic as well.
The topic is Hamas and rape ... how is this 'freedom fighting'??

a reply to: FlyersFan

Self defense isn't 'retaliation'.
And that was off topic as well.
The topic is Hamas and rape ... how is this 'freedom fighting'??

Sorry I can't play ball Flyers. Can't and won't

Like I said - I was only here to support someone else - and make a point. I'm done - you have your thread back to yourself

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

You already admitted they overreacted. Why are you still arguing?

So what? What does your "overreach" mean? As I said we are making opinions 6000 miles away. Has there ever been a war that people didn't overreach, whatever that means? Do I think they could have handled it differently, yes, but what do I know?

a reply to: Xtrozero

That is a lot of people period, do we see mass graves?

Yes.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Sorry I can't play ball Flyers. Can't and won't

So you came on a thread about Hamas and rape, refused to discuss Hamas and rape, refused to condemn Hamas and rape ... but instead jumped in to condemn Israel for defending itself. Okay ... got it.

a reply to: gortex

mass graves are also for legit enemies, not just innocent civies.

originally posted by: gortex

Yes.

Yes, people are dying, but 25k? There are about 50 there, so I guess we need another 500 of those ditches.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
They do not want the proof, otherwise they would find it themselves.

Oh yes lets make random claims and then expect people to find proofs for our own claims.

I've seen things. Real things happening to real people. Back when the most popular news were about isis they livestreamed all kinds of things. You know what I am talking about. They were even on social media such as facebook and twitter. Here is the funny part about your claims. You can claim isis was doing certain things to people and you can prove it easily because they recorded and shared videos of themselves doing it. Their videos are all over the whole internet. Now you claim hundreds of people were raped, specific area(s) on their body are mutilated, their children were cooked alive in ovens, their babies were beheaded and yet somehow hamas never uploaded any of those things, not a single one. Do you actually think hamas draws the line at rape or age
If you don't think so, please explain lack of videos from them. You know, the videos of things that you think actually happened. I scouted a few sites that specialize in bloody stuff and I've never seen anything related to your claims.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
The proof is easy to see, even Hamas recorded it.

You seem so sure about it yet you fail to provide any proof, why

originally posted by: Xtrozero
We watched a man get his head cut off with the hoe as he lay dying, we watched a young naked dead girl get paraded through the streets of Gaza to the cheers of everyone there, did they do a rape kit check on her...do we even need to know as they took her there and killed her in the end and used her body as a victory cry for people to come out and beat her dead body and spit on her etc. We have phone recordings of Hamas calling the hostage's family on their phones in very vicious ways.

And none of these events proves your claims.

originally posted by: NanomachinesSon
Now you claim hundreds of people were raped, specific area(s) on their body are mutilated, their children were cooked alive in ovens, their babies were beheaded and yet somehow hamas never uploaded any of those things, not a single one. Do you actually think hamas draws the line at rape or age?

I didn't claim a thing BTW... I don't remember anyone suggesting they cooked babies, but they killed everyone they could, would you agree? They killed families, workers, and anyone within their path. They would have killed 50,000 if there were enough people there, but they got 1200. What else do you want to know? This isn't enough? They also by tradition rape at will, and once again they would when they could...

What is it that you are trying to say here?

And none of these events proves your claims.

What are my claims?

originally posted by: NanomachinesSon
Now you claim hundreds of people were raped, specific area(s) on their body are mutilated, their children were cooked alive in ovens, their babies were beheaded and yet somehow hamas never uploaded any of those things, not a single one. .

No one said a word about children being cooked or babies being beheaded. Those are topics for another thread.

originally posted by: NanomachinesSon
Do you actually think hamas draws the line at rape or age

If you don't think so, please explain lack of videos from them. .

It's very simple. Rape is against Sharia law. If they admitted to rape, they would be breaking Islamic law and would be 'bad muslims' and subject to the death penalty. read here . It is NOT against Muslim law to put invaders and/or so called colonizers to death, even women children and the elderly who are usually off limits, therefore they filmed themselves murdering the alleged invader Jews and freely admitted to doing so. But rape supposedly goes against Islam (even though they do it all the time) and Hamas is pretending to be good Islamics freeing the countryside of Jews. Therefore, there is no admittance of rape and no filming of it by Hamas.

So you will only believe that rape happened if Hamas took the time to record it and put it on the internet? You refuse to believe the rape victims, the forensic evidence left behind on both the living and dead bodies, the doctors treating the victims, the forensic doctors examining and identifying the dead, the first responders who found the dead bodies with their pants removed and their genitals and butts obviously raped and bloody underwear, etc etc

Sure .. whatever helps you sleep at night ... pffft.

UN Representative on Sexual Violence Invited to Israel to Gather Information on Sexual Assaults by Hamas

Israel Presses UN to Investigate Sexual Violence by Hamas

UN Commission Investigating Hamas Sexual Violence, Gathering Evidence

Israel Says the UN is Moving Too Slow in it's Investigation of Hamas Sexual Violence

mass rape and genital mutilation on Oct 7

Hamas terrorists dressing female hostages up as ‘dolls,’ rescued Israeli claims: ‘Could do what they wanted’

USA Today - Sexual Violence - Hamas Rapes Hostages

At Least 10 Freed Hostages - BOTH MEN AND WOMEN - Were Sexually Abused by Hamas While In Captivity Says Doctors

Evidence Points to Systematic Use of Rape by Hamas

Eyewitness Testimony - Hamas Raping and Killing a Woman, and then Again Raping Her Dead Body - Laughing as they did it

The BBC has seen and heard evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks.

Israel presents evidence, witness testimonies of Hamas's sexual violence in Oct. 7 attacks

NBC - Their Bodies Tell the Stories - NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

UN Cites 'Growing Body of Evidence' of Hamas Sexual Violence

UN Hears of Sexual Violence During Hamas Attack

There's a lot of evil being committed on both sides of the table as far as that conflict goes!

Have you all ever even entertains the fact that a common element has a hand in both sides of the conflict? as per usual!

They've been starting wars in every country in the world for hundreds of years now. It's the satanic cabal and they bring us all into conflict with each other for their own benefit and for their own ultimate control of everything which is their ultimate goal. World domination/ One world government/ the New world order!

Wake the f****up everybody!

a reply to: Misterdata

wow. Synagogue of Satan? Dude ... get a grip.

And ... you are off topic. This thread is about Hamas and rape,
not your anti-Israel fantasies.

edited to add ... I see you edited your post. Erased
three paragraphs of whack ... smart move but I already saw
it and know what is in your mind and heart.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Sorry I can't play ball Flyers. Can't and won't

So you came on a thread about Hamas and rape, refused to discuss Hamas and rape, refused to condemn Hamas and rape ... but instead jumped in to condemn Israel for defending itself. Okay ... got it.

Why did you start this thread Flyers? Did you actually believe you were hosting an intellectual discussion about rape?

Or are you only seeking reassurance that Hamas is bad?

Hamas already did all the heavy lifting on that one. Hamas is indeed bad

Hamas is bad for Israel and Hamas is bad for the Palestinians

Why did the Palestinians choose Hamas? Because people often make unwise choices. They very often choose strength, the illusion of protection and a chance at righting some wrongs. They don't always go with wisdom

Thats why people are now stuck with Bibi and this despicable war

Interesting how you decided that I refused to condemn Hamas or rape

I will always condemn crimes against humanity, so you got that part right

I'll leave you to your unnecessary catalogue of rape and other heinous crimes

originally posted by: FlyersFan
No one said a word about children being cooked or babies being beheaded. Those are topics for another thread.

What is the difference between one unproven claim and another? In the end both are just claims, theories until proven otherwise. So unless you intend to spread your "truth" by making yet another thread and posting israeli "news" sites in it I don't see why we shouldn't talk about those too.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
It's very simple. Rape is against Sharia law. If they admitted to rape, they would be breaking Islamic law and would be 'bad muslims' and subject to the death penalty. read here . It is NOT against Muslim law to put invaders and/or so called colonizers to death, even women children and the elderly who are usually off limits, therefore they filmed themselves murdering the alleged invader Jews and freely admitted to doing so. But rape supposedly goes against Islam (even though they do it all the time) and Hamas is pretending to be good Islamics freeing the countryside of Jews. Therefore, there is no admittance of rape and no filming of it by Hamas.

Lets pretend your theory is correct and they filmed themselves doing it. According to you someone is going kill them(because of death penalty). And again, according to you they are not doing it because they are scared of this someone. So here is the big question, who is that someone? Who is going to enforce "islamic law"? Israel? ISIS? USA? Palestinian civilians? Do you realize how stupid your theory is

Also, wtf is a "muslim law"? Are there also "jew law" too?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
So you will only believe that rape happened if Hamas took the time to record it and put it on the internet? You refuse to believe the rape victims, the forensic evidence left behind on both the living and dead bodies, the doctors treating the victims, the forensic doctors examining and identifying the dead, the first responders who found the dead bodies with their pants removed and their genitals and butts obviously raped and bloody underwear, etc etc

You'd be surprised to know I also don't believe jewish rape tunnels in nyc. A lot of evidence there too, but unlike you I am not taking them as proof just because it fits my narrative. So, until someone who is not an israeli(correction: jew, because you seem to think this is about muslims vs jews) can prove all your claims, all those evidences of israeli doctors, eye witnessess and testimonies are worthless, they are literally nothing more than "trust me bro".

And here's the thing. You are not the only one making those claims. Other side(palestinians) also makes the same claims as you do. Other side also have the same "evidence" as you have. But you don't know about them, you only care about your "truth", don't you? After all you only care about your version of truth. So it is no wonder you keep accusing me of being "anti-semite" just because I want to know the real truth.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Sure .. whatever helps you sleep at night ... pffft.

Are you implying I am trying to "cope"? I am not the one who keeps justifying civilian deaths by using existence of hamas as an excuse. Here's a fun fact, did you know hamas was supported by israeli government before? Prime minister publicly said everyone should support hamas against plo. Crazy how things turned out, huh? But sure, whatever helps me sleep at night. My conscience is clear, I never killed someone just because they were in remote vicinity of a potential terrorist(muh "civilian shields"), can you say the same about you guys You guys even killed your own people because you thought they were hamas too. And yet you keep claiming your army cares about civilian casualties and they take them very seriously etc

originally posted by: FlyersFan
UN Representative on Sexual Violence Invited to Israel to Gather Information on Sexual Assaults by Hamas

Israel Presses UN to Investigate Sexual Violence by Hamas

UN Commission Investigating Hamas Sexual Violence, Gathering Evidence

Israel Says the UN is Moving Too Slow in it's Investigation of Hamas Sexual Violence

mass rape and genital mutilation on Oct 7

Hamas terrorists dressing female hostages up as ‘dolls,’ rescued Israeli claims: ‘Could do what they wanted’

USA Today - Sexual Violence - Hamas Rapes Hostages

At Least 10 Freed Hostages - BOTH MEN AND WOMEN - Were Sexually Abused by Hamas While In Captivity Says Doctors

Evidence Points to Systematic Use of Rape by Hamas

Eyewitness Testimony - Hamas Raping and Killing a Woman, and then Again Raping Her Dead Body - Laughing as they did it

The BBC has seen and heard evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks.

Israel presents evidence, witness testimonies of Hamas's sexual violence in Oct. 7 attacks

NBC - Their Bodies Tell the Stories - NBC News has reviewed evidence that suggests dozens of Israeli women were raped, sexually abused or mutilated during the Oct. 7 Hamas terror attacks.

UN Cites 'Growing Body of Evidence' of Hamas Sexual Violence

UN Hears of Sexual Violence During Hamas Attack

Post more unverified claims It is always "heard, saw, witnessed, told". Where are the proofs? Oh wait I shouldn't ask that because that makes me an anti-semite