So this is what Hamas considers 'freedom fighting' ...

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ToneD

so this is what the 'chosen' say is SELF-DEFENCE ? ? ?

Not sure how this is "self defence" either.

But they're only Palestinians so guess it doesn't matter their age because HAMASS !!!

Remind me , who are the terrorists again ?

it's a good thing no children were harmed with HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th. Just think of how horrific it could have been if children were raped and killed. Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

originally posted by: network dude

so the answer to feeling oppressed is to invade, kill, rape, and take hostages? Is that your position?

These so-called Palestinians are Jordanians and Egyptians, so one just needs to go back and look at why those two countries didn't want these people to be a part of them too. These groups have been extremists for a very long time, and that is why Egypt walled off Gaza back when they controlled it. Both Jordan and Egypt said here you go Israel and good redience...

We need to remember that back in the day Israel agreed to a two-party state and they did not, they wanted it all. Then Israel fought 3 or 4 wars and set the boundaries we see today. Colonial expansionism is such a joke to use here when Israel was willing to share and ended up fighting over and over for their independence, and while the whole world used Colonial expansionism as a common way the vast majority of countries were formed.

Did Jordan, Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon need to fight for their freedom too? No, they were just invented by the Brits and French and magically became countries...It is such a joke for people to suggest Ireal has no rights to their country as all the other countries around them were invented by Colonials... geez

a reply to: gortex

Any dead or injured "civilians" in Gaza are the fault of Hamas and the Palestinians who support them. Those people wouldn't have been hurt if Hamas and the Palestinians hadn't attacked Israel and Israel hadn't have had to fight back. Blame Hamas for hiding in with civilians and using civilian infrastructure .. not the Israelis who are protecting themselves. Collateral damage .. the fault of Hamas.

BTW .. you failed to address the topic of this thread .. how is mass rape 'freedom fighting'??

originally posted by: network dude

it's a good thing no children were harmed with HAMAS attacked Israel on October 7th. Just think of how horrific it could have been if children were raped and killed. Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

The one thing we do not see or hear about is what Hamas does to the people in Gaza too. These groups are not nice to the people around them. Look at ISIS, Taliban, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Boko Haram ETC. They are as bad on the population as they are on their enemies. Hamas is no different...they would kill 100 children if they could pin it on Israel in a heartbeat.

So yes we all can agree we see Israel as going overboard in their responses, but holy hell do you all understand how evil these groups on the other side are actually like?

a reply to: ToneD

6 pages and you haven't addressed the topic of this thread.

Why are you so afraid to actually discuss the topic if this thread?

Why are you afraid to answer the question?

How is Hamas kidnapping, and continually raping for months, teenage girls .. freedom fighting?

How is Hamas raping, murdering, and then raping the dead bodies ... freedom fighting?

How is Hamas mutilating genitalia ... freedom fighting?

Common sense says that it's SEXUAL PERVERSION and criminal behavior, not freedom fighting.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
They do not want the proof, otherwise they would find it themselves. .

True. The evidence of mass rape on Oct 7 of both men and women, and rape of both the male and female hostages is overwhelming. Forensic evidence on the bodies. Testimony of those handling the bodies of the dead which had clearly been raped. Testimony of the victims themselves with collaborating testimony of the doctors that have been treating them. Film footage from Hamas itself.

It's all there.

And the question that the Hamas apologists refuse to address ... how is rape 'freedom fighting'?

a reply to: network dude

Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

Nobody is saying that but more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces , when is enough enough ?

How many Israeli children have died fighting in Netanyahu's ill-conceived war ? .... at least 210 soldiers have died for his despotic regime and 258 sustained serious injuries , most of them conscripts.

originally posted by: gortex
more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces ,

... says Hamas. No one knows how many people have died in Gaza. Hamas lies.

And they are collateral damage kills because HAMAS doesn't care about them, and because HAMAS hides amongst the civilians, and because HAMAS uses civilian infrastructure like hospitals and schools to work out of.

when is enough enough ?

When Hamas is destroyed and no longer a threat to Israel.

WHY should Israel stop defending itself? They should just sit there, suck up the attack that was waged against them, ignore all the promises from Hamas that they'll keep attacking and attacking until Israel is destroyed, and ignore the fact that the "Palestinians" overwhelmingly support Hamas?

That's suicide.

Any dead children in Gaza are the fault of Hamas, not Israel.

You didn't address the topic of this thread. How is mass rape 'Freedom fighting'???

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

Nobody is saying that but more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces , when is enough enough ?

How many Israeli children have died fighting in Netanyahu's ill-conceived war ? .... at least 210 soldiers have died for his despotic regime and 258 sustained serious injuries , most of them conscripts.

Enough is enough when Hamas is gone.
Israel told everyone exactly that a week before the war started.
That first week is when Israel let the innocent civilians get out of harms way.

a reply to: FlyersFan

... says Hamas. No one knows how many people have died in Gaza. Hamas lies.

British Medical journal The Lancet disagrees with your assumption following their investigation of the numbers , they concluded the Ministry of Health's figures are as accurate as they can be given the situation and that those figures will jump when the dead under the rubble of Gaza are included.

Using publicly available information,3, 4 we compared the Gaza MoH's mortality reports with a separate source of mortality reporting and found no evidence of inflated rates. We conducted a temporal analysis of cumulative-reported mortality within Gaza for deaths of Gazans as reported by the MoH and reported staff member deaths from the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), from Oct 7 to Nov 10, 2023. These two data sources used independent methods of mortality verification, enabling assessment of reporting consistency.

We observed similar daily trends, indicating temporal consistency in response to bombing events until a spike of UNRWA staff deaths occurred on Oct 26, 2023, when 14 UNRWA staff members were killed, of whom 13 died in their homes due to bombings (figure). Subsequent attacks raised the UNRWA death rate while MoH hospital services diminished until MoH communications and mortality reporting collapsed on Nov 10, 2023.During this period, mortality might have been under-reported by the Gaza MoH due to decreased capacity. Cumulative reported deaths were 101 UNRWA staff members and 11 078 Gazans over 35 days (appendix p 3). By comparison, an average of 4884 registered deaths occurred per year in 2015–19 in Gaza.5

If MoH mortality figures were substantially inflated, the MoH mortality rates would be expected to be higher than the UNRWA mortality rates. Instead, the MoH mortality rates are lower than the rates reported for UNRWA staff (5·3 deaths per 1000 vs 7·8 deaths per 1000, as of Nov 10, 2023). Hypothetically, if MoH mortality data were inflated from, for example, an underlying value of 2–4 deaths per 1000, it would imply that UNRWA staff mortality risk is 2·0–3·9 times higher than that of the public. This scenario is unlikely as many UNRWA staff deaths occurred at home or in areas with high civilian populations, such as in schools or shelters.
Mortality reporting is difficult to conduct in ongoing conflicts. Initial news reports might be imprecise, and subsequent verified reports might undercount deaths that are not recorded by hospitals or morgues, such as persons buried under rubble (appendix pp 1–2). However, difficulties obtaining accurate mortality figures should not be interpreted as intentionally misreported data.
www.thelancet.com...(23)02713-7/fulltext

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

Nobody is saying that but more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces , when is enough enough ?

How many Israeli children have died fighting in Netanyahu's ill-conceived war ? .... at least 210 soldiers have died for his despotic regime and 258 sustained serious injuries , most of them conscripts.

Enough is enough when Hamas is gone.
Israel told everyone exactly that a week before the war started.
That first week is when Israel let the innocent civilians get out of harms way.

Then started bombing where they escaped to.

Approximately 20% of hamas is dead or so its been reported. That means that they have killed more civilians by a massive percentage. All their homes destroyed, schools and hospitals.

This is genocide.

originally posted by: Maybenexttime

originally posted by: Vermilion

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: network dude

Stupid Israel should have just took it. They had no right to be upset.

Nobody is saying that but more than 10,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces , when is enough enough ?

How many Israeli children have died fighting in Netanyahu's ill-conceived war ? .... at least 210 soldiers have died for his despotic regime and 258 sustained serious injuries , most of them conscripts.

Enough is enough when Hamas is gone.
Israel told everyone exactly that a week before the war started.
That first week is when Israel let the innocent civilians get out of harms way.

Then started bombing where they escaped to.

Approximately 20% of hamas is dead or so its been reported. That means that they have killed more civilians by a massive percentage. All their homes destroyed, schools and hospitals.

This is genocide.

“Adraee said that Gazan residents would be safe in Al-Mawasi and that the corridor has been opened to evacuate civilians every day so that the IDF can focus on fighting the Hamas terrorist organization and deepening its incursion into Khan Yunis without the risk of civilians being injured in the process.

Adraee also quoted a number of Gazan civilians passing through the corridor, who informed IDF soldiers that Hamas was preventing them from leaving combat areas, using threats and violence.”

Comparing the civilian casualties of this war to past wars reveals an extremely low civilian to military casualty ratio. Better than all actually.

The International Court of Justice just ruled no genocide.
Also, UNRWA gets defunded because they are terrorist aiding garbage.

Release the damn hostages!
No hostages no peace.

a reply to: Vermilion

“Adraee said that Gazan residents would be safe in Al-Mawasi

Adraee also quoted a number of Gazan civilians passing through the corridor, who informed IDF soldiers that Hamas was preventing them from leaving combat areas

You mean the Lieutenant Colonel in the Israel Defence Force ?

originally posted by: gortex
British Medical journal The Lancet disagrees with your assumption .

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It's not an assumption. It's a fact. There is absolutely NO way that the numbers Hamas are giving are accurate. There is a war on. Communications are destroyed. Ability to dig in rubble doesn't exist. Knowing how many people were in a certain building when it was hit doesn't exist. And Hamas has a history of lying.

What your "The Lancet" says about Hamas being accurate ... is inaccurate.

And again you are deflecting. This thread isn't about Israel bombing Gaza. This thread is about Hamas RAPING and calling it freedom fighting. Try addressing the topic.

originally posted by: Maybenexttime
Then started bombing where they escaped to.

Hamas hasn't escaped. They are still active and still in gaza, hiding in with the civilians and using civilian infrastructure to work out of.

This is genocide.

Nope. Not even remotely true. If Israel wanted to 'genocide' Gaza, the Palestinians would all be dead by now. Israel has that kind of firepower. The only ones wanting to genocide anyone are Hamas and the Palestinians wanting to genocide Israel and the Jews. They proudly proclaim it and try to make it happen.

You are deflecting. Address the topic.

How is rape ... 'freedom fighting'??

a reply to: gortex

That’s correct.

You terrorist sympathizers use Hamas death totals and other info.
What’s the difference? You have a problem with that?

a reply to: Vermilion

You terrorist sympathizers use Hamas death totals and other info.

What’s the difference? You have a problem with that?

What I have a problem with is Genocide , regardless who is committing it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

So yes we all can agree we see Israel as going overboard in their responses

No excuses then. Israel is responsible for what they've done and how they chose to handle this

Netanyahu and those who support him are responsible. Not everyone in Israel is tolerant of this situation. Unfortunately, as with most wars people are mostly powerless to stop the war machine

a reply to: gortex

I have a problem with genocide.
Remember the holocaust bro?
You should direct your attention to real genocides instead of wasting your time making them up.

The International Court of Justice just ruled no genocide. Do you have a problem with their ruling?

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: gortex

I have a problem with genocide.
Remember the holocaust bro?
You should direct your attention to real genocides instead of wasting your time making them up.

The International Court of Justice just ruled no genocide. Do you have a problem with their ruling?

Can you imagine how many lives might have been saved if people in Germany (and elsewhere) had spoken up at the beginning?

Your argument assumes The Holocaust sets a standard that needs to be met in order for a newer situation to be considered an abomination

This situation is wrong. Everyone knows it - they're all just trying to determine what they're willing to tolerate