Judge rules Trump has to stay quiet and not defend himself in court - Carroll Case

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: opethPA

As usual, you're on top of things.

Tell me this. I've just read a summary of today's court proceedings.

HERE: news.yahoo.com...

WHAT HAS PRESIDENT TRUMP DONE WRONG TO THIS WOMAN BEYOND A SEXUAL THING in the 1990's?

It's got to be more than "hurt her feelings".

I just want to go over this sentence.

"WHAT HAS PRESIDENT TRUMP DONE WRONG TO THIS WOMAN BEYOND A SEXUAL THING in the 1990's?"

To be clear, in your mind it is okay that any POTUS just did a SEXUAL THING to someone all the way back in the 90's?

EIGHT...8 women signed a sworn affidavit that Joe Biden sexually assaulted them. Little girls too.

I BELIEVE THEM...Everybody does!: www.businessinsider.com...

It's NOT OK!

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: Zanti Misfit

How does it not make sense? The jury in the previous case believe there was enough evidence to show Trump sexually assaulted her but didn't penetrate her with his penis.

Ah , What " Evidence " was that ? I heard of None .

a reply to: Threadbarer

She cannot even remember the date when it happened...or the year. There was no evidence. No video. No eyewitnesses. Her recollection only. They backed off the dress. How can you 'defame' someone by saying you did not rape them? Even if he was convicted and did time...what is the crime in talking about something?

Somehow she waited till a new law was passed also...right?

Within hours of the law going into effect in late November, Carroll filed a battery and defamation civil suit against Trump. (She filed a separate defamation suit in 2019 that has been postponed.)

Linked to

She is on every talk show circuit there is talking about this but it is Trump who is defaming?

This is a bull# case.

a reply to: WeMustCare

"or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable."

What does that even mean?

a reply to: matafuchs

Trump is free to appeal. But a jury of his peers found him liable of sexual assault and defamation.

Jesus Christ. Habba is doing the cross on Carroll right now and to say it's going poorly is an understatement. The judge literally had to stop the trial to explain to Habba how to properly have evidence entered into the case.

Read this....

Link

If you think this judge is not bias you are insane.

Never knew someone could not talk to a lawyer at the table seated next to them. Telling him to keep his voice down? this is just another BS power play like the James case.

These judges are LOVING the fact they can attack someone they do not like.

It amazes me that his case was thrown out for calling him a rapist which is defamation but when defending himself from a false and unproved allegation he is sued and liable.

Clown Court and it is not Trumps lawyers....

Like this...how can someone defend themselves it they cannot talk about it?

It’s still unclear if Trump will take the stand during the trial, which is expected to last about five days. His legal team advised the judge that the former president wants to testify, but said it’s “unfair” that he’s been barred from denying the underlying rape allegation.

a reply to: matafuchs

Nobody said he's not allowed to confer with his lawyer. However, intentionally speaking loud enough for the jury to hear you is not allowed. It potentially influences them by introducing them to things that are not included in the trial. It is also essentially Trump giving testimony that is not open to cross examination. As a result it is potentially grounds for a mistrial.

But that is exactly what Trump is trying achieve.

a reply to: matafuchs

But he could talk to his lawyer next to him.

But not so loudly so he might try to influence the jury.

FFS. This is basic stuff?

a reply to: Threadbarer

Mr President used your hush hush inside voice. F that. Seriously. to be very honest I have no idea how he is controlling himself.

Someone is suing him for saying he did not rape her....because he did not!

She is making a mockery of those who have been raped or abused to be very honest. I had read book excerpts...her texts...her columns....shes a weirdo.

Read this....This is the article that started it all...she remembers ALL of this but goes silent and cannot remember at Trumps trial...

James was 7 and a half or 8, a bloodthirsty, beautiful, relentless boy. He ordered everyone around, even the older kids. To me he said, “I’m going to shove this up you again.”

We’d played this game before. Our families had gone on a camping trip to Pokagon State Park, and I learned that an object could be shoved up the place where I tinkled. I don’t remember now what it was, probably a stick, or maybe a rock. It felt like being cut with a knife. I remember I bled.

“I don’t want to,” I said.

James and I played so many ferocious games while camping that summer: hooking each other with fishhooks, holding each other underwater, tying each other up, shooting each other with cap guns, chasing each other with garter snakes, dumping hot embers on each other’s heads. I am not putting him on the Most Hideous Men of My Life List — whether he belongs there is for him to decide. It is his uncles, his father, his grandfather who belong on such a list.

So her first rapist is ok. She forgives him?

What about Hunter S Thompson...whos autobi she did...

Hunter S. Thompson … now, there’s a good candidate. I know. I wrote his biography. Does Hunter, the greatest degenerate of his generation, who kept yelling, “Off with your pants!” as he sliced the leggings from my body with a long knife in his hot tub, make the list? Naw.

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A certified whacko....who just so happens to come up with this a few days after a new law is passed going into an election season.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

He was and does. I have watched video. They are making it like he is pulling a Pacino And Justice for All.... in court.

a reply to: matafuchs

"inside voice. F that. Seriously. to be very honest I have no idea how he is controlling himself."

He can't. That's the problem.

He's just trying to pish off the Judge so he can scream it's all so unfair. So unfair. Etc.


Zzzzzz

a reply to: matafuchs

In my experience if an alleged perp shows nothing but contempt for a Tribunal he should not be surprised if it is he who is held in contempt.

Anyways, flame away....

a reply to: matafuchs

What video would that be? This case is being heard in federal court, which prohibits any kind of recording device being brought into the courtroom.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Being overly combative in court also tends to lose you any sympathy the jury might have for you.

a reply to: Threadbarer

Indeed. I had a six month fraud trial with a QC, multi million trial, the jury wanted to go to the pub for lunch with us after. So we did. It was an eye opener as they were telling us what they were thinking and most of it went over their heads.

So I sort of woke up and said to my QC, err, should we not be discussing the jury's deliberations as is that not forbidden?

QC went white and said let's get out of here.

Still. Was an eye opener.

Could say more, but can't.

I see a lot of comments on this thread that miss the point so badly that it's laughable. Trump's guilt in the sexual assault of Carroll is not the point of the trial. There was another trial for that - which he lost. This trial is based on him being stupid enough to insult and defame her after that verdict against him. All the Prosecution has to do is literally read out his all-caps bleats on social media and his verbal blatherings.
Trump is also muttering a lot during the trial, loud enough for counsel, the Judge and the jury to hear. The man has no off-switch, or mute button. The man is also an idiot. You don't mouth off in front of a judge, that exhausts their patience and gets a series of rapidly escalating warnings. That's the point that this misleadingly titled thread is addressing.
Let's just admit the presence of the giant orange drooling imbecile in the room - Trump's a moron.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg2

How is saying I did not rape someone defamation?

a reply to: Threadbarer

I am referring to other videos of Trump. He is constantly talking.

a reply to: matafuchs

And today he was doing it loud for the judge, prosecution, gallery, and jury to hear. As a result, the judge reprimanded him.