Nature is upside down: We are in the opening scenes of a climate disaster movie...

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think the guy is right, seems like the first time I actually heard of this phenomenon. I wonder why more about this is not being let out by science of the earth.

I can't imagine what makes you think "the guy is right". He starts the video by saying he doesn't know what it is, and he sounds completely clueless to me like he has no idea what he's talking about, so I don't even understand what "right" means, right about what?

He doesn't explain the source of the models. At 4 minutes he says "We're looking at pressure models and wind speed models."

What models? Who made the models? What are the data sources being input to the models and how are the data processed?

What it looks like to me is an artifact of the models, which if you talked to someone who really understood the models they would probably tell you to just disregard that spot directly over the axial north pole as the model produces a bit of a glitch there at the pole. But he's making some big deal out of it like he thinks it's something real and not just an artifact of the model. Apparently, he knows very little about the models and about modeling in general and doesn't understand how they work.

A lot of the comments in that thread are pretty nutty too. The viewers of that crap seem at least as clueless as the maker of the video, like people talking about crazy unrelated stuff, like hollow earth "theory":

"Great Video BP. This appears to support Byrd's Expedition and a hollow earth theory."

What? Nothing about that video supports a hollow earth theory. Many other comments are equally nutty.
Well one guy talks about a UFO sighting he had years ago, and he probably saw a UFO but why is he bringing it up? The video doesn't show a UFO, so that's just nutty because it's so unrelated, I don't doubt he saw a UFO, lots of people have. But nobody has ever seen the thing in the video, the maker of the video even says that, which should be your first clue it's probably an artifact of the unspecified model(s).

I read a lot of the comments (not all) and why aren't people asking him for more details about the model(s) he's showing? Without that information, they have no idea what they are looking at, but that doesn't stop them from making stupid comments about the hollow earth theory being somehow supported.

The scariest comments is made by a pilot, scary because I fly a lot and I hope he's not piloting any plane I'm a passenger in:

"It’s time I contribute here. I’m an airline pilot. I’ve been experiencing very unusual phenomena over the last year. To me, that clearly is an object under propulsion."

It's not an object, and it's not under propulsion, it's stationary. It stays over the north pole and you can see artifacts of the artifact anywhere from ground level up to 84,000 feet high.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think the guy is right, seems like the first time I actually heard of this phenomenon. I wonder why more about this is not being let out by science of the earth.

I can't imagine what makes you think "the guy is right". He starts the video by saying he doesn't know what it is, and he sounds completely clueless to me like he has no idea what he's talking about, so I don't even understand what "right" means, right about what?

He doesn't explain the source of the models. At 4 minutes he says "We're looking at pressure models and wind speed models."

What models? Who made the models? What are the data sources being input to the models and how are the data processed?

What it looks like to me is an artifact of the models, which if you talked to someone who really understood the models they would probably tell you to just disregard that spot directly over the axial north pole as the model produces a bit of a glitch there at the pole. But he's making some big deal out of it like he thinks it's something real and not just an artifact of the model. Apparently, he knows very little about the models and about modeling in general and doesn't understand how they work.

A lot of the comments in that thread are pretty nutty too. The viewers of that crap seem at least as clueless as the maker of the video, like people talking about crazy unrelated stuff, like hollow earth "theory":

"Great Video BP. This appears to support Byrd's Expedition and a hollow earth theory."

What? Nothing about that video supports a hollow earth theory. Many other comments are equally nutty.
Well one guy talks about a UFO sighting he had years ago, and he probably saw a UFO but why is he bringing it up? The video doesn't show a UFO, so that's just nutty because it's so unrelated, I don't doubt he saw a UFO, lots of people have. But nobody has ever seen the thing in the video, the maker of the video even says that, which should be your first clue it's probably an artifact of the unspecified model(s).

I read a lot of the comments (not all) and why aren't people asking him for more details about the model(s) he's showing? Without that information, they have no idea what they are looking at, but that doesn't stop them from making stupid comments about the hollow earth theory being somehow supported.

The scariest comments is made by a pilot, scary because I fly a lot and I hope he's not piloting any plane I'm a passenger in:

"It’s time I contribute here. I’m an airline pilot. I’ve been experiencing very unusual phenomena over the last year. To me, that clearly is an object under propulsion."

It's not an object, and it's not under propulsion, it's stationary. It stays over the north pole and you can see artifacts of the artifact anywhere from ground level up to 84,000 feet high.

He is right in the fact that this phenonymon is being ignored by those who teach earth sciences. It is probably real, and most likely normal, but it is not taught in schools. It should at least be mentioned even though they do not know exactly what effects it has on weather patterns. Maybe it's influence is taught in advanced meteorology, but not in regular schools. I would think that this should be investigated more to see if there are changes happening to this swirling magnetic current and it's effect on weather patterns or the earths magnetosphere. It would be interesting to see if mining has an effect on this after all mining can effect dipole strength and currents.

My saying he is right is that this knowledge might be important to a lot of different things, it could be possibly used to monitor things and to assess the influence of the solar winds and interstellor particles on our environment if they would just open their minds to what this could tell us. It could be a powerful tool for assessing lots of stuff if they could monitor it. It would probably be cheaper than sending satellites all over the place and also would be more relevant to us personally than playing around with rovers on Mars.

I have been closely monitoring the Moringa Tree i started-from-seed ... it has survived 4 years now but does not withstand the 'winters' here at Myrtle Beach,,,,

But come spring...BOOM it regrows 15 foot in month-or-so

A Local orchard farmer, trying to create a Moringa farm wanted to buy my Tree...instead i told him my secret planting steps and see if any difference in growing the tropical tree in S.C.

My 6 muscadine grapes are starting to look like grape vineyards in Mediterrian France


RE OP: The Trade Winds and Hadley cell/ currents are completely out-of-sync with the bucolic weather we have witnessed for several hundred years running

ocean currents, heat, salinity are disrupting weather patterns.... into Chaos ...storms turn into disasters costing Billion$$

originally posted by: rickymouse
He is right in the fact that this phenonymon is being ignored by those who teach earth sciences. It is probably real, and most likely normal, but it is not taught in schools.

It hasn't been established there is a phenomenon like the one he shows in the video, it looks like an artifact of whatever modeling is being used because it's exactly over the north axial pole exactly where one might expect a modeling artifact as the rotational speeds go from non-zero-values to zero exactly at the pole. His comments about the fact it can't be seen etc support it NOT being real, and it doesn't make any sense from a physical perspective. It does however make some sense as a modeling artifact at the pole and that's what I bet it is.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: rickymouse
He is right in the fact that this phenonymon is being ignored by those who teach earth sciences. It is probably real, and most likely normal, but it is not taught in schools.

It hasn't been established there is a phenomenon like the one he shows in the video, it looks like an artifact of whatever modeling is being used because it's exactly over the north axial pole exactly where one might expect a modeling artifact as the rotational speeds go from non-zero-values to zero exactly at the pole. His comments about the fact it can't be seen etc support it NOT being real, and it doesn't make any sense from a physical perspective. It does however make some sense as a modeling artifact at the pole and that's what I bet it is.

If the earth's vortex is similar to Jupiter's, it would be at the stationary north pole which judges tilt of the planet. It would not wander with the magnetic pole. They actually do not know what holds the earth in it's alignment for sure but they do have some theories. I researched that and asked some physicists at a physics chat room about that when I was a member there about the time I started posting here. I was there as a member discussing stuff for about a year or so and reading their threads. After a couple of months or so after I joined ATS and start being active at posting, they cancelled my membership for some strange reason. There were some pretty good people there, I liked getting info about CERN from some of the people working on that project. The stuff those guys discussed isn't taught in college Physics, I guess you have to go into the Masters program to get that info. Once they steer you on how to investigate stuff on the net, proper wording, you can find those advanced articles.

originally posted by: rickymouse
If the earth's vortex is similar to Jupiter's, it would be at the stationary north pole which judges tilt of the planet.

The video you posted doesn't show a vortex anything like Jupiter's polar vortex, so your "if" seems misplaced based on what you posted. This is what Jupiter's vortex looks like in infrared:

Jupiter's Polar Vortices


The video you posted doesn't even show a vortex, it's a lopsided thing with a semi-circular shape on one side. This is not what a vortex looks like, the Jupiter image is. This is from the video linked in your previous post.



I don't see how you can think that shows a vortex anything like Jupiter's vortex. It looks completely different.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

That shape is formed by the effects of atmospheric currents. This is a sort of magnetic phenomenon I think. Being it is bent fairly easily, it probably is not nearly as powerful as Jupiters. I have seen pictures of the effect of Jupiters currents on that polar annomoly over the decades from multiple sources but it is not going to be the same as on a gas planet with different atmosphere chemicals than here on earth.

This article may have something to do with this area.

www.the-sun.com...

It is being investigated, maybe it has just been discovered not too long ago and that is why it is not in textbooks. Apparently NASA is investigating it further. They knew there was something there long ago, but evidently have not spent much time investigating it. I suppose there was not enough money and prestige to be gained by the research

originally posted by: rickymouse
I have seen pictures of the effect of Jupiters currents on that polar annomoly over the decades from multiple sources but it is not going to be the same as on a gas planet with different atmosphere chemicals than here on earth.

Before you said "If the earth's vortex is similar to Jupiter's" and I showed they are not similar, now it sounds like you are agreeing with me they are not similar. I don't know how much attention you paid to the video you linked, it shows a polar vortex that's many, many times larger than the artifact directly over the axial north pole, so they are not the same thing.

This is a sort of magnetic phenomenon I think.

Referring to the Earth or Jupiter? The video you linked says the semicircle thing at the Earth's north pole is not at the magnetic pole, it's at the axial pole. To me that says it's not magnetic, I don't know why you think otherwise, that makes no sense.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: rickymouse
I have seen pictures of the effect of Jupiters currents on that polar annomoly over the decades from multiple sources but it is not going to be the same as on a gas planet with different atmosphere chemicals than here on earth.

Before you said "If the earth's vortex is similar to Jupiter's" and I showed they are not similar, now it sounds like you are agreeing with me they are not similar. I don't know how much attention you paid to the video you linked, it shows a polar vortex that's many, many times larger than the artifact directly over the axial north pole, so they are not the same thing.

This is a sort of magnetic phenomenon I think.

Referring to the Earth or Jupiter? The video you linked says the semicircle thing at the Earth's north pole is not at the magnetic pole, it's at the axial pole. To me that says it's not magnetic, I don't know why you think otherwise, that makes no sense.

I know this is all about the axial north pole. Something keeps that pole lined up in that position, I have not found why it stays pointing at the North star...but it does. That subject seems to be avoided in science, probably because they are not sure what is maining our tilt to a set point in space. That vortex is caused by something, A bar magnet spinning will create a vortex like that at the pole. The earth is not spinning on it's axis to seemingly create the vortex it shows in that second link I provided. So if it has nothing to do with magnetism, then what actually is causing that vortex? Maybe now there are some scientific articles addressing that, but I didn't find any, yet some articles mentioned it. I did a lot of searching years ago to find if they knew what is keeping our tilt in position and could not find an explanation. It seems that they were avoiding saying anything that would eventually be proved wrong back then. I honestly do not think they actually know yet why our magnetic and axial pole are different like they are because of lack of them saying anything.

This is not my expertise, I did research on it years ago but can't form a conclusion if I have not seen any evidence. The first article I linked is not really scientific, the guy seems to have observed a phenomenon and is trying to figure it out. Most times their conclusions are wrong, but he is right about something...something is happening there, it could have always been happening I suppose, and he is just trying to figure out what is going on. The fact that nobody is saying much about that even though they have known about it somewhat for years is not a conspiracy, it is that science is not even sure how to evaluate what is going on. What is attracting our pole like that to a pretty much set point in space>

a reply to: TheSkepticGuy23
I think your name should be the paranoid guy instead!

originally posted by: Misterdata
a reply to: TheSkepticGuy23
I think your name should be the paranoid guy instead!

I disagree, it appears that climate change is rapidly changing agriculture worldwide and we need to start paying attention and adapt or there will be or there are already impacts on food production.

“Even under optimistic climate change scenarios, where societies enact ambitious efforts to limit global temperature rise, global agriculture is facing a new climate reality,” Jägermeyr said. “And with the interconnectedness of the global food system, impacts in even one region’s breadbasket will be felt worldwide.”

climate.nasa.gov...

Adaptation in choice of crops: are lupins the replacement of soy and other animal/human food crops of the future?

Key Discoveries/Benefits

White lupins have numerous advantages for farmers and the environment. They potentially have a high yield and can be used as a highly nutritious feed for cattle or food for human consumption. White lupins capture carbon and nitrogen from the air, reducing the overall carbon footprint of the crop.

With sweet white lupins growing in popularity in Asia and Europe, the time is ripe for Canadian farmers. Lupin Platform Inc., an agri-business based in Calgary, Alberta, has partnered with farmers and Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC) scientists to develop this crop in Canada.

Dr. Aaron Mills, an AAFC agronomist on Prince Edward Island, is among the project partners and is studying how well different varieties of white lupins grow on the Island.

agriculture.canada.ca... ing-how-grow-sweet-white-lupin-canada

“The paper is a brilliant example of how modern technology can improve outcomes from plant breeding without the need for genetic modification,” says Wallace Cowling, a plant breeder at the University of Western Australia who was not involved.

The EU has been promoting the use of lupin and other legumes because member nations want to grow more protein in northern climates, to which lupin is well suited, and import fewer soybeans from parts of the Amazon that are being deforested. “We think lupins will play an important role in that future and these discoveries will help,” Geu-Flores says. If he’s right, more of the countryside may flower as beautifully as village gardens.

www.science.org...

originally posted by: rickymouse
I know this is all about the axial north pole. Something keeps that pole lined up in that position, I have not found why it stays pointing at the North star...but it does. That subject seems to be avoided in science, probably because they are not sure what is maining our tilt to a set point in space.

Your lack of awareness of the science doesn't mean science is avoiding it, the science is well known, and the history of this science dates back something like 2200 years to 2nd century BC astronomer Hipparcus. The pole only appears to be pointing approximately to the North star during your lifetime because that's so short on cosmic scales, but it doesn't stay pointed at the north star, it precesses on a 26,000 year cycle, similar to the way a toy top precesses when you spin that.

Axial precession

while today the star Polaris lies approximately at the north celestial pole, this will change over time, and other stars will become the "north star".[3] In approximately 3,200 years, the star Gamma Cephei in the Cepheus constellation will succeed Polaris for this position.

That vortex is caused by something, A bar magnet spinning will create a vortex like that at the pole. The earth is not spinning on it's axis to seemingly create the vortex it shows in that second link I provided. So if it has nothing to do with magnetism, then what actually is causing that vortex?

You sound like you're confusing yourself by mixing up different subjects. The video you posted of the anomaly directly over the axial north pole is not over the magnetic pole so it's not related to magnetism. Then you bring up a completely different topic, where NASA is investigating something else over the magentic north pole. That is magnetic but they are not the same thing and your posts don't seem to make it clear that you realize that.

I honestly do not think they actually know yet why our magnetic and axial pole are different like they are because of lack of them saying anything.

It's not 100% certain but the hypothesis for the Earth's spin and tilt is a leading candidate to explain both, it's called the Giant impact hypothesis. That provides an potential explanation for the axial tilt, but obviously none of us were there to confirm it.

The magnetic field of the Earth I would say is not well understood but it's partially understood from experiments and modeling and that understanding is improving with research. It's very complicated and the magnetic poles move around and flip at irregular intervals.

Origin of Earth's magnetic field

The generation of Earth's magnetic field occurs deep within the Earth's interior, in a layer known as the outer core to be precise. Here the convective energy from the slow-moving molten iron is converted to electrical and magnetic energy, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. The magnetic field then induces electric currents which in turn generate their own magnetic field which induces more electric currents, in a positive feedback loop.

If you want to go deeper, this article does that:
education.nationalgeographic.org...

a reply to: TheSkepticGuy23

I am a country farm boy at heart but for the last few decades all I grow is some flowers and for the last 2 years have been disappointed with what I have seen happen to what I was growing , March and April were great which is unusual in Northern Scotland then the clouds came and nothing grew much ,Sunflowers stopped at 2 to 3 foot high and never moved as did other flowers and baskets when in direct light .

It is the weeds and Moss that seem to be thriving like crazy everywhere around me ,newly build houses 5 years ago their roofs are green already and the roofing tiles in my street were cleaned 4 years ago but you would not tell now , pity they do not have enough sense to put a copper strip along the top preventing this ..

I got taught all this as a kid about the cycles within cycles from my grandfather and his farmers almanac and he was always spot on with his predictions, he knew when we were going to have a good crop of apples and plumbs from our 14 trees in the garden and how the local river flooded every 70 or so years and a bigger cycle of 250 or so years but dementia has robbed me of all that knowledge I learned now , but I am not seeing the growth that I used to observe bar in weeds .

I remember the 70s as freezing winters and roasting hot summers under our beautiful yellow/orange sun not this white one ,The 80s were hot some years others the joke that was not a joke later on in the decade was our 3 day summers , But I never tanned as quick as I do now I can be out a hour and go lobster red ,that used to take me a week of solid working outside to change that colour and I get a warning in my noggin now if I am outside in the white sun .

I experienced a day I will never forget last year , I took the dog out one afternoon and the sky was solid grey with a horrible chemical smell and the weirdest sun that I have witnessed in my near 60 years on the planet that day , It seemed to be not shinning through this grey fog but on this side and my brain was screaming to go inside ,What made me lol was they were blaming fires in Canada for this ? .

But things are out of whack

a reply to: stonerwilliam

It seemed to be not shinning through this grey fog but on this side and my brain was screaming to go inside ,What made me lol was they were blaming fires in Canada for this ? .

Yes, smoke from Canada's devasting forest fires did travel across the Atlantic, thas shows how large and severe the problem was/is.

Smoke from wildfires in Canada has been picked up in satellite images of the UK, the Met Office has said. Images taken during Thursday's sunrise showed smoke particles in the air which had travelled across the Atlantic.

www.bbc.com...

www.statista.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: stonerwilliam

It seemed to be not shinning through this grey fog but on this side and my brain was screaming to go inside ,What made me lol was they were blaming fires in Canada for this ? .

Yes, smoke from Canada's devasting forest fires did travel across the Atlantic, thas shows how large and severe the problem was/is.

Smoke from wildfires in Canada has been picked up in satellite images of the UK, the Met Office has said. Images taken during Thursday's sunrise showed smoke particles in the air which had travelled across the Atlantic.

www.bbc.com...

www.statista.com...

We also get hit with dust storms from the middle east affecting the atmosphere in the UK , but that day was different to any other day I can remember on the planet , the cloud was solid and low lying and horizon to horizon with no breaks and this weird light pretending to be the sun that was burning my skin ? Through or in front of the clouds and what was that smell .

I have worked or lived near petrol refinaries, and I know the smell of burning organic matter , there was massive forest fires 10 + miles from me and you would never know it was happening , in one of my jobs I was trained to run towards the fire not away ,, I have never come across a smell like that or solid clouds or sun like that day , run forest run and danger Will Robinson were getting played at loud volume by my brain .

As a kid I had to Barrow tons of manure from a tractor trailer and then dig it into the vegetable plots and go and collect horse manure regularly for the roses .

The government also told me the vaccine was safe and effective, my noggin told me different

originally posted by: stonerwilliam

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: stonerwilliam

It seemed to be not shinning through this grey fog but on this side and my brain was screaming to go inside ,What made me lol was they were blaming fires in Canada for this ? .

Yes, smoke from Canada's devasting forest fires did travel across the Atlantic, thas shows how large and severe the problem was/is.

Smoke from wildfires in Canada has been picked up in satellite images of the UK, the Met Office has said. Images taken during Thursday's sunrise showed smoke particles in the air which had travelled across the Atlantic.

www.bbc.com...

www.statista.com...

We also get hit with dust storms from the middle east affecting the atmosphere in the UK , but that day was different to any other day I can remember on the planet , the cloud was solid and low lying and horizon to horizon with no breaks and this weird light pretending to be the sun that was burning my skin ? Through or in front of the clouds and what was that smell .

I have worked or lived near petrol refinaries, and I know the smell of burning organic matter , there was massive forest fires 10 + miles from me and you would never know it was happening , in one of my jobs I was trained to run towards the fire not away ,, I have never come across a smell like that or solid clouds or sun like that day , run forest run and danger Will Robinson were getting played at loud volume by my brain

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As a kid I had to Barrow tons of manure from a tractor trailer and then dig it into the vegetable plots and go and collect horse manure regularly for the roses .

The government also told me the vaccine was safe and effective, my noggin told me different

I would imagine the smoke smell would have included harmful chemicals because not just plants/trees were burned up, people lost their homes and possessions too.

Some governments are still telling us that the vaccine saved many lives according to scientists/medical experts, who to believe hmm?

Did Will Robinson ever listen to that robot, I seem to remember he did not and got into all sorts of predicaments with those pesky aliens.

Yes we and our world is one and we are not islands. Now that we are global what is done halfway round the world may affect the other side of the world.

a reply to: TheSkepticGuy23

I was born in Buffalo and we lived in Western New York for almost my entire life. We are now in South Carolina. My last 22 years was on Grand Island. Back in the 1990's we began to notice that the Canadian Geese werent migrating.

We also notice that the Canadian Geese on Lake Murray in South Carolina arent heading up back North. They are staying here. They may be lazy or finally got smart enough to know why fly North as everything we need is here.

We have spiders up the yingyang. Last August I was bitten by one and got a Staph infection that took weeks of antibiodics to cure. We dont see daddy longlegs here often. Just the brown recluse.

Crops? Many 100's of acres were plowed under in South Carolina due to lack of rain for the summer of 2023. Specifically corn. There was also a shortage of sweet corn in the supermarkets in 2023. Or none at all for weeks.

So far in 2024 our winter has been somewhat mild, but wet.

Typically in South Carolina we can get three growing seasons of tomatoes. Not this year as it was so hot the plants wouldnt push a blossom. When it did they fruit became huge but didnt ripen as it became too cold. We will reuse all for the seeds in 2024. Same for the peppers.

a reply to: quintessentone

I thought I had seen and smelled just about everything , but that day was a new one , I have watched gas bottles blowing up and depending on their size going 140 to 250 feet in the air , seen kids burned to death in a car fire and their screams when it was to late to reach them
there is a reason firemen drink so hard to forget after what they come across after a fire ? .

I don't know if sceptic guy knows about putting crystals on a record player and have it run on his farm or putting copper wire into the ground where he is growing his crops to keep the bugs away or using manure in the ground rather than chemicals .

One very old family member when I was a kid was a gamekeeper and grew humungus fruit and vegetables it was only years later I descovered he did not have a inside toilet and was using his waste as fertiliser ikyn but I used to take the veg etc into school to show the class , nobody would have believed how big tomatoes ,cooking apples etc could grow .

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
a reply to: quintessentone

I thought I had seen and smelled just about everything , but that day was a new one , I have watched gas bottles blowing up and depending on their size going 140 to 250 feet in the air , seen kids burned to death in a car fire and their screams when it was to late to reach them

there is a reason firemen drink so hard to forget after what they come across after a fire ? .

I don't know if sceptic guy knows about putting crystals on a record player and have it run on his farm or putting copper wire into the ground where he is growing his crops to keep the bugs away or using manure in the ground rather than chemicals .

One very old family member when I was a kid was a gamekeeper and grew humungus fruit and vegetables it was only years later I descovered he did not have a inside toilet and was using his waste as fertiliser ikyn but I used to take the veg etc into school to show the class , nobody would have believed how big tomatoes ,cooking apples etc could grow .

Horrible PTSD and what nightmares are made of - firefighters need advanced PTSD care not booze.

I don't know but I'm getting the impression that skeptic guy is not your crystal or alternate farming methods type guy.

Was it ever true human waste is unfit to use as crop fertilizer? I've been hearing that since forever. In the movie Gone with the Wind, human waste was used as fertilizer on the tobacco crops and when a buyer smoked it he said if was the best he ever tasted...fiction or based on reality?

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