J-10 production in problems?

Hmm...the 2nd pic seems to have the TVC nozzles.. but then again it is just rendered art of what the J-10 might look like.

The second pic is real. The other two are not. The J-10 does not have thrust vectoring.

WS-10A does and it was made for the J-10 and J-11A/B. If the mass production of WS-10A has started then yes, that would be a TVC nozzle and on a WS-10A engine.

stealth can you please reframe from posting out of date articles.

the lavi bascily loks like a f-16 with carards

all those articles you posted stealth spy are all 2002. back then there was no pictures of the j-10 only PS ones of a LAVI with chinese markings and a Eurofighter with chinese markings. i dont see how the people that wrote the articles managed to get pictures when the chinese government never released any. they only confirmed the long supsision of the j-10 program in 2002 at the zhuhai airshow

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

It seems to be having problems as well, so Russian engines might be a better choice

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

The rest of J-10's were going to set DSI I guess

which looks like F-35's airintake

That type of intake, while more stealthy is less efficient than a traditional intake.

Huh? The DSI variable intakes will change the amount of air to different amounts depending on the altitude and speed, which is supposed to be MORE efficent.

If you think that the J-10's intakes look like that of the F-35, the F-35 had some design influences from the Yak-141, including the DSI intakes. The J-10 and Fc-1's intakes seem to be based more than the intakes on the Yak-141.

Originally posted by emile
The rest of J-10's were going to set DSI I guess

which looks like F-35's airintake

More like the X-32's surely?

I've never seen that picture before, EVER. And I can guarantee you thats not a J-10.

Its another PS image like the one for the F-16



The DSI intake for the FC-1 is for real though, the second plane on Earth to have DSI intakes. This is the model of the FC-1 04 prototype deemed to fly at the end of the year or early next.

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

The WS-10A is a copy of the AL-31FN, not the AL-31F.

Read the sinodefence article Jim

What is a DSI intake ?? What are its advantages ?? What does the red circled part represent ??

DSI stands for Divertless Supersonic Intakes, the only plane before FC-1 to have DSI is the JSF/F-35. The bumps seen at the intakes are litterally called Bumps. At high aircraft speeds through supersonic, the bumps work with forward-swept inlet cowls to redirect unwanted boundary layer airflow away from the inlets, essentially doing the job of heavier, more complex, and more costly approaches used by current fighters. It proved to save significant weight, reduce RCS by concealing the engine's fans which generate most of the RCS when searching from the front. It improves performances both when supersonic and subsonic. The DSI bump functions as a compression surface and creates a pressure distribution that prevents the majority of the boundary layer air from entering the inlet at speeds up to Mach 2. In essence, the DSI does away with complex and heavy mechanical systems.

P.S The red line means nothing.



[edit on 11-6-2005 by COWlan]

[edit on 11-6-2005 by COWlan]

Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

The WS-10A is a copy of the AL-31FN, not the AL-31F.

Read the sinodefence article Jim

www.jamestown.org...

So far, the Ramenskoye-based (Moscow Region) Technocomplex Scientific Production Centre has been upgrading both single-seat and two-seat Su-27s for the PLAAF. The scope of this upgrade work is an example of the integrated thinking that surrounds China's future fighter program and the J-10/F-10 and Su-27/J-11 in particular. Having mastered basic airframe assembly, China currently controls an upgrade package that will allow it to integrate the weapons and systems under development. Although the Moscow-based machine-building enterprise Salyut has not yet delivered to China the AL-31 engine, which features a fully variable, rotating, thrust-vector control (TVC) nozzle designed by the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Corporation, when the delivery occurs, the AL-31 can be retrofitted during an engine upgrade, turning the J-10 into a highly maneuverable fighter. Furthermore, it appears that the Chinese-built WS10A engine that powers the J-10 fighter can match the performance of the AL-31 engine, despite differences in design and manufacture.

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the AL-31FN. The J-10 may become available for export market in 2005~2006

there is a difference between said and is

jesus its like you got a in-built dumb machine in your head.

anyway russian never agreed to sell china AL-31F engine tech.

Ummm...the WS-10 is totally different from the Al-31F/FN.

If you think the J-10 is similar to the F-16...talk about it here. Do these two pictures look alike?

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Can we now agree that the J-10 is not a copy of the F-16?

[edit on 12/6/05 by W4rl0rD]

I am sure that the intake under the J-10 do not look like X-32, which just same as the intakes beside the F-35. It is a differentiation that just is a postion not a capability of aerodynamics.
I also don't know why the intake's firm like F-35 called DIS. I am not an Englishman. I know it is called DSI as same as the intakes which like F-22 was called CREAT intake only.
Much Sorry everyone!

[edit on 12-6-2005 by emile]

Originally posted by W4rl0rD
Can we now agree that the J-10 is not a copy of the F-16?

You cant say the same thing about the J-10 and the Lavi, can you