Lawsuits against Trump over the Jan. 6 riot can move forward, an appeals court rules

I found this interesting. It was written Feb 16, 2021.

The False and Exaggerated Claims Still Being Spread About the Jan 6th Capitol Riot

Here's a piece of his opening:

What took place at the Capitol on January 6 was undoubtedly a politically motivated riot. As such, it should not be controversial to regard it as a dangerous episode. Any time force or violence is introduced into what ought to be the peaceful resolution of political conflicts, it should be lamented and condemned.

But none of that justified lying about what happened that day, especially by the news media. Condemning that riot does not allow, let alone require, echoing false claims in order to render the event more menacing and serious than it actually was. There is no circumstance or motive that justifies the dissemination of false claims by journalists. The more consequential the event, the less justified, and more harmful serial journalistic falsehoods are.

Two years later, it doesn't seem much has changed.

a reply to: Vermilion

It is not hard to understand. She fell for the lies pushed for months and the rhetoric that the President used that day. However, ultimately she committed a crime. She takes responsibility for the crime. Yet, she would not have been there that day if not for the lies and rhetoric.

I mean I suppose she could just blame the cops, feds, Pelosi or antifa like others and deny any responsibility and want the cops/feds/antifa/Pelosi punished while not admitting they did anything wrong.
But she realized she was duped by the President of the United States,ultimately leading her to be there and do the wrong thing. However, she accepts she did the wrong thing because she believed a lie.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Vermilion

It is not hard to understand. She fell for the lies pushed for months and the rhetoric that the President used that day. However, ultimately she committed a crime. She takes responsibility for the crime. Yet, she would not have been there that day if not for the lies and rhetoric.

I mean I suppose she could just blame the cops, feds, Pelosi or antifa like others and deny any responsibility and want the cops/feds/antifa/Pelosi punished while not admitting they did anything wrong.
But she realized she was duped by the President of the United States,ultimately leading her to be there and do the wrong thing. However, she accepts she did the wrong thing because she believed a lie.

Curious!!
From the videos so far released to me it looks like all the paid actors and agent provocateur were getting into position around the Capitol, complete with 6' social distancing, before and during Trumps speaking.
They were not there for Trump or for the stated purpose.
This has become obvious as we see footage of people changing clothes into Trump regalia without anyone calling them out.

How do you read these 2 totally different crowds of people?

The maga crowd were very busy identifying, calling out and chanting "FED, FED, FED".
NOT the other crowd who nonchalantly waited it out patiently for Trump to stop speaking in an entirely different location.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WingDingLuey

How can they prove what he was thinking?

They don't have to. They just have to present his own words, that day and the days leading up to the Jan 6th events. People who have already been convicted of crimes they committed that day, testified that it was Trump's words that invited them, brought them there to the Capitol, and incited them to do what they did. And, when Trump told them to leave, they left.

can you quote those words please?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I was not there, wife went to a class with a guy that did go.

He said after the speech they were walking back (to where everything cooked off) and saw a bus with a bunch of people getting off it shortly before things went belly up.

that would be what 4th hand...

But yea, there was more to that riot than the media would have you believe.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WingDingLuey

How was Trump a "Candidate" when the election he lost was 2 months before?

His "Stop the Steal" rally was a campaign rally. He thought the election wasn't over until Mike Pence counted the electoral votes. His rally meant to use the crowd's protests to encourage Pence and member of Congress to "Stop the Count" and undo the election. In fact, Trump never stopped campaigning.

How can they prove what he was thinking?

And "Campaigning" was over 2 months earlier. 😀

Next they'll want crystal ball and tarot card evidence 🤣🤣

You’re making up excuses.

Trump can’t keep his mouth shut.

His own words are used as proof of his actions.

LOL I'm only looking at the facts like you always stress LOL 😀

And naturally you provide ZERO examples 'cause there ain't any 😀

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: WingDingLuey

You and yours can surly provide some actual quotes that led to "convictions" right.

Even so, that does not prove intent, only hearsay and assumptive from 3rd parties.

What are you talking about? Prove that the intent of Trump's Stop the Steal rally was to campaign for Trump? Give me a break!

The court already ruled. I don't have to prove anything to you. Based on Trump's words and actions, not intent or thought, people can now legally move forward with individual lawsuits against Donald Trump, the private citizen.

You show nothing to prove your point. Thanks anyway! 😀

You show no examples LOL 😀

a reply to: network dude

Here ya go!

And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.

Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We're supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.

You know most candidates on election evening and, of course, this thing goes on so long. They still don't have any idea what the votes are. We still have congressional seats under review. They have no idea. They've totally lost control. They've used the pandemic as a way of defrauding the people in a proper election.

They said, "Sir, in four years, you're guaranteed." I said: "I'm not interested right now. Do me a favor, go back eight weeks. I want to go back eight weeks. Let's go back eight weeks."

We want to go back and we want to get this right because we're going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and we're not going to stand for that.

If you need more of Trump's own words that prove that the "Stop the Steal" rally was a campaign event and that Trump believed asserted that Mike Pence and Congress could be persuaded, by the crowd, to "do the right thing" and make him President again, click here:
www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WingDingLuey

I'll ask again, who paid for the rally?

LOL what a great deflection again. 😀

a reply to: frogs453

One guess who she is 😀

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WingDingLuey

I'll ask again, who paid for the rally?

LOL what a great deflection again. 😀

Why don't you answer the question?

Who paid for the rally?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

How does any of that incite riots? LOL 😀😀

That wasn't even at The Capitol area !!! 😀

All assumptive and mind reading and crystal ball gazing 😀

No intent of inciting riots 😀

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WingDingLuey

I'll ask again, who paid for the rally?

LOL what a great deflection again. 😀

Why don't you answer the question?

Who paid for the rally?

lol lol lol how should I know? 😀😀

Why don't YOU simply provide proof ?? lol lol lol

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

Well, I'm not sure why MTG and others are calling violent feds or antifa "political prisoners" and raising money for them and Trump all involved with the J6 choir. So, if the other excuse is blaming feds causing violent protesters to bring various weapons with them to the Capitol and then you're also calling Patriots stupid for letting feds or antifa cause them to lose any brain cells they had and beat cops with flagpoles, bear spray and tase them.

I mean feel free to add another excuse if you can't find a way to spin those two into being someone else's fault.

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: WingDingLuey

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: WingDingLuey

I'll ask again, who paid for the rally?

LOL what a great deflection again. 😀

Why don't you answer the question?

Who paid for the rally?

lol lol lol how should I know? 😀😀

Why don't YOU simply provide proof ?? lol lol lol

Because you make excuses and don't accept factual proof.

a reply to: WingDingLuey

How does any of that incite riots?

That's not the question at hand, my wingy dingy friend! The question is whether or not Trump was acting in his capacity, performing his duties as President of the United States, by holding his "Stop the Steal" rally on Jan 6th, or if he was acting as a candidate campaigning for office.

The judge ruled that Donald Trump was acting as a candidate, and that attending the event was not an execution of presidential duties.

The reason why it matters "who paid for the event" is that if it was Trump's campaign or a super pac, and not the Federal Government, then this wasn't Trump executing his duties as President of the United States.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: Mahogani
Rosanne Boyland- Meth overdose Jan 6

This one is wrong in my opinion. I saw the video, she was brutally beaten by the cops, and her autp[sy doesn't say Meth, it says Amphetamines...

No, she was almost certainly murdered by the cops.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Are you aware that there was a planned protest at the Capitol?

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: JinMI

No. He doesn't. The President isn't a king. The legislative and judicial branches are there to put a curb on the President's power.

Through the power of impeachment. Only.

a reply to: WingDingLuey

It's such a great deflection it actually gets to the heart of the matter.

The event was planned and paid for by Trump's campaign. How is that not a campaign event?