Lawsuits against Trump over the Jan. 6 riot can move forward, an appeals court rules

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Annee

The Lord has Blessed Mr. Trump , No Harm will Befall Him in his Eyes.......+”

Remember, God is in control. which is why He fired corrupt, conman adulterer rapist traitor liar loser trump and ensured Real Patriots elected President Biden, God's anointed choice!
God is also ensuring loser, rapist trump is going to jail for his crimes!

No amount of whining by Republikan "Christians" will change that fact!

originally posted by: bruce88

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Annee

The Lord has Blessed Mr. Trump , No Harm will Befall Him in his Eyes.......+”

Remember, God is in control. which is why He fired corrupt, conman adulterer rapist traitor liar loser trump and ensured Real Patriots elected President Biden, God's anointed choice!
God is also ensuring loser, rapist trump is going to jail for his crimes!

No amount of whining by Republikan "Christians" will change that fact!

Hmm... When was the Last Time you Spoke with the Lord ? Is he Well ?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Breitbart?

Really?

a reply to: Mahogani


Ahem ............Obstruction of Justice , A Crime Committed by Democrats . Where is the Outrage > ?


" The disappearance of videotapes of witness interviews conducted by the Democratic-led House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack has alarmed the chairman of the House panel that replaced it.


“All of the videotapes of all depositions are gone,” Mr. Loudermilk told the "Just the News, No Noise" television show Thursday night.

“We found out about this early in the investigation when I received a call from someone who was looking for some information off one of the videotapes, and we started searching, and we had none,” Mr. Loudermilk explained.

“I wrote a letter to Bennie Thompson asking for them. And he confirmed that they did not preserve those types. He didn't feel that they had to."

According to Mr. Loudermilk, the videotapes met the requirements for congressional evidence under House rules because some of the segments were shown at hearings, and the now-defunct J6 committee, led by Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss), ought to have kept all of the recordings.

“According to House rules, you have to preserve any data and information and documents that are used in an official proceeding, which they did. They (J6 Democrats) actually aired portions of these tapes on their televised hearings, which means they had to keep those," Mr. Loudermilk said.

"Yet he chose not to."


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originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: tanstaafl

So things like overriding vetos or declaring EOs unconstitutional don't exist?

I spoke too soon and stand corrected...

Congress can't pass laws that limit the power of the President and the judiciary can't rule those laws are constitutional?

Congress cannot pass laws limiting powers delegated to The President by the Constitution. They can, of course, try to pass any garbage they like, doesn't make it Constitutional, even if some bozo in a black dress says it is.

originally posted by: deadlysyn
a reply to: tanstaafl

Amphetamines could very easily mean medication for ADD. I think they also prescribe similar medications for narcolepsy. But the video I remember seeing was police beating her. I can't remember for certain, but it seems she was being beat with a night stick repeatedly while unconscious.

Yep, thats the one I saw.

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Ummm
Yes.
It was legislated into existance

Ummm... no.
It was created by The Constitution.

Congress did indeeof, in pursuance of their delegated Constitutional Powers, passed an Act establishing it, but it was already created.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation
Ummm
Yes.
It was legislated into existance

Ummm... no.
It was created by The Constitution.

Congress did indeeof, in pursuance of their delegated Constitutional Powers, passed an Act establishing it, but it was already created.

Lol

The created can never be greater than the creator.

The legislative body created the SC and established and

Section 2

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State;--between Citizens of different States;--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The legislative makes the laws.
The Judicial enforces them.
The powers the SC as checks and balance.
The SC has no powers to legislate.
It was created by The legislative branch in the Constitution.
The Constitution didn't grow like a plant.
It was created by The Legislative government of Representatives that argued it out.
Read the Federalist Papers for better background of the process.

Congress decides the laws.
Judicial enforces the legislative and Executive.

The Judicial Branch is the lessor of the 3 branches of government.

Granted it changed during the years from the Organic act of 1871 during the years we were a corporate entity.
This is why all the common law courts disappeared and only Admiralty courts ruled under the U.C.C.
BUT, the reason this can be debated now in Earnest is because we are no longer the USA INC. and are getting our Republic back. During that period the SC was elevated above both Executive and Legislative in rulings solely based upon the U.C.C.

If you notice this present SC is now ruling based upon State rights having the ultimate powers through their legislative bodies.
See Roe v Wade for example.

Kingly things;
Kings are born, not voted
Kings can't be fired or removed from power
Kings make the rules and laws (if they want)
Kings determine tax rates ( if they want)
Kings can unilaterally start a war without seeking approval.
Kings can call for the execution and murder publicly of any individual for any reason, and if you don't kill them you are now subject to death
Kings don't need jobs, being king is very lucrative
Kings go to court to preside if they so wish, not to face charges
A king would never face charges of illegality, he is the king
King is for life
A king can and will do all these things without ANY checks or balances. That man spoke ill of me, kill him now. Yes SIR.
A king can show up at your door and demand sex from a woman about to be married, to deny this is death
A king can go down the street and kill anyone anytime anywhere. All the time if he wants.
Kings don't need lawyers to protect them
Kings are royalty and typically act like it.

To want these things is different then actually having that kind of power. Can't stop a man from hoping though.

All of this hand wringing of leftist this and evil left that and OMG did you see what the left just did to us. Here's a case of glasses for all the whine in this thread. To act as if the right is somehow angelic, incapable of doing any wrong, almost like you folks need a mirror or something lol.

I HoPe Trump becomes king, I'm tired of having so many choices. I can't wait to get that knock on my door with the military outside asking where my Democrat neighbor lives so they can be "re-educated". Tired of making decisions for myself lol. Less government? How about ALL THE GOVERNMENT! As long as they are on my side lol
LONG LIVE KING TRUMP! DOWN WITH HIS ENEMIES!

originally posted by: LeXoXeL
Kingly things;
Kings are born, not voted
Kings can't be fired or removed from power
Kings make the rules and laws (if they want)
Kings determine tax rates ( if they want)
Kings can unilaterally start a war without seeking approval.
Kings can call for the execution and murder publicly of any individual for any reason, and if you don't kill them you are now subject to death
Kings don't need jobs, being king is very lucrative
Kings go to court to preside if they so wish, not to face charges
A king would never face charges of illegality, he is the king
King is for life
A king can and will do all these things without ANY checks or balances. That man spoke ill of me, kill him now. Yes SIR.
A king can show up at your door and demand sex from a woman about to be married, to deny this is death
A king can go down the street and kill anyone anytime anywhere. All the time if he wants.
Kings don't need lawyers to protect them
Kings are royalty and typically act like it.

To want these things is different then actually having that kind of power. Can't stop a man from hoping though.

All of this hand wringing of leftist this and evil left that and OMG did you see what the left just did to us. Here's a case of glasses for all the whine in this thread. To act as if the right is somehow angelic, incapable of doing any wrong, almost like you folks need a mirror or something lol.

I HoPe Trump becomes king, I'm tired of having so many choices. I can't wait to get that knock on my door with the military outside asking where my Democrat neighbor lives so they can be "re-educated". Tired of making decisions for myself lol. Less government? How about ALL THE GOVERNMENT! As long as they are on my side lol
LONG LIVE KING TRUMP! DOWN WITH HIS ENEMIES!

0

You are scared.
But you know what is coming.
The deep state and its unelected hired for like beurocrats corporate government is over.
Yes.
DJT is CIC under the COG.
Kind of like a king in the power he CAN wield.
Lucky for us it is him and not one of the traitors bastards we have suffered through the last 30 years.
Nevertheless we are in the sunset years of that corporate body you cling to like it is life.
The corporation is dead.
Long live the Republic.


Trump literally has frightened you guys to near death.
Granted he must look like a bully king to you guys.
Not to us.
We are not a Monarchy.
We are a Republic again.
Long live the New Republic of The United States for America.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The Judicial Branch is the lessor of the 3 branches of government.

And yet SCOTUS, a Constitutional mandate, can overrule both legislative acts and laws as well presidential executive orders.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I've asked you before, where in the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 does it do any of the things you claim?

Also, Trump is only CIC in your fantasy world.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

The Judicial Branch is the lessor of the 3 branches of government.

And yet SCOTUS, a Constitutional mandate, can overrule both legislative acts and laws as well presidential executive orders.

They have abused the original directive during the Corporate years.
That power is being reeled in with this new sitting SC during times of devolution and seem to only be able to rule from the original mandates. They cannot over rule laws existing already passed by the legislature.
I have to do my due diligence on EO's as I do not know.

What is certain is the present SC is going back and readdressing previous rulings that used faulty reasoning when it ruled over State Legislatures.
The States are once again being seen as sovereign.
What is absolutely clear per the Constitution the Judicial cannot make law.
Only the Legislative can.
The Executive through EO is going to be an interesting topic.
If an EO is Un Constitutional then it makes sense to me they can rule upon it.
But the Executive originally had lots of unrestrained liberty.

An executive order is a formal command handed down from the head of the executive branch of government to the administrative agencies within the executive branch.

In the context of the federal government, the president issues executive orders to direct federal agency actions.[1] While executive orders are legally binding, they are not laws; they are instructions on how the executive branch ought to enforce the law. These instructions must line up with existing U.S. laws and the U.S. Constitution.[2]

Executive orders differ from other types of executive action, namely presidential proclamations and presidential memorandums. Unlike executive orders, presidential memorandums are not numbered or cataloged, and they do not require the president to cite any authority for their issuance. Proclamations direct the actions of individuals rather than government agencies and are often ceremonial.[3

They cannot override an EO.
Only rule on its Constitutional fidelity.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I've asked you before, where in the District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871 does it do any of the things you claim?

Also, Trump is only CIC in your fantasy world.

I told you before.
You did a 3 minute Google search.
Do more
You admit you never heard of it before.

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

They cannot override an EO.

US Supreme Court blocks Biden's workplace vaccine mandate

Only rule on its Constitutional fidelity.

Right. That's the scope of their charge, to uphold and protect the constitution against unconstitutional presidential executive orders, congressional acts and state laws.

SCOTUS is established by the US Constitution. Its existence is not a congressional afterthought. The Judicial Branch is an equal branch of the government that enforces and protects The Constitution of the United States. You remember the US Constitution, the document that created The Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch as equal arms of one government?

originally posted by: FarmerSimulation

originally posted by: LeXoXeL
Kingly things;
Kings are born, not voted
Kings can't be fired or removed from power
Kings make the rules and laws (if they want)
Kings determine tax rates ( if they want)
Kings can unilaterally start a war without seeking approval.
Kings can call for the execution and murder publicly of any individual for any reason, and if you don't kill them you are now subject to death
Kings don't need jobs, being king is very lucrative
Kings go to court to preside if they so wish, not to face charges
A king would never face charges of illegality, he is the king
King is for life
A king can and will do all these things without ANY checks or balances. That man spoke ill of me, kill him now. Yes SIR.
A king can show up at your door and demand sex from a woman about to be married, to deny this is death
A king can go down the street and kill anyone anytime anywhere. All the time if he wants.
Kings don't need lawyers to protect them
Kings are royalty and typically act like it.

To want these things is different then actually having that kind of power. Can't stop a man from hoping though.

All of this hand wringing of leftist this and evil left that and OMG did you see what the left just did to us. Here's a case of glasses for all the whine in this thread. To act as if the right is somehow angelic, incapable of doing any wrong, almost like you folks need a mirror or something lol.

I HoPe Trump becomes king, I'm tired of having so many choices. I can't wait to get that knock on my door with the military outside asking where my Democrat neighbor lives so they can be "re-educated". Tired of making decisions for myself lol. Less government? How about ALL THE GOVERNMENT! As long as they are on my side lol
LONG LIVE KING TRUMP! DOWN WITH HIS ENEMIES!

0

You are scared.
But you know what is coming.
The deep state and its unelected hired for like beurocrats corporate government is over.
Yes.
DJT is CIC under the COG.
Kind of like a king in the power he CAN wield.
Lucky for us it is him and not one of the traitors bastards we have suffered through the last 30 years.
Nevertheless we are in the sunset years of that corporate body you cling to like it is life.
The corporation is dead.
Long live the Republic.


Trump literally has frightened you guys to near death.
Granted he must look like a bully king to you guys.
Not to us.
We are not a Monarchy.
We are a Republic again.
Long live the New Republic of The United States for America.

Yikes! Slow your role their chief, just because you think you know things, doesn't mean you do.
Being kinda like a king isn't being king. Thinking you know me doesn't mean you do. And wow, the insults just hurled out like Candy to a fat kid. Not very Christian/Catholic of you. I'm even registered as a Republican and voted for Trump the first time around. Since you already know me, you probably knew that as well. Most Republicans actually want less government intrusion into their lives, it appears like (and sounds like) you WANT a king, an authoritarian. Fun.

I want someone less concerned about revenge and more concerned about righting a train that has clearly gone off the rails. Revenge is for the weak minded, it is all consuming and completely clouds the mind. Getting revenge on his political rivals, getting revenge on the media....christ man, even a king wants to rule them all.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: FarmerSimulation

They cannot override an EO.

US Supreme Court blocks Biden's workplace vaccine mandate

Only rule on its Constitutional fidelity.

Right. That's the scope of their charge, to uphold and protect the constitution against unconstitutional presidential executive orders, congressional acts and state laws.

SCOTUS is established by the US Constitution. Its existence is not a congressional afterthought. It's an equal branch of the government that enforces and protects The Constitution of the United States. You remember the US Constitution, the document that created The Executive Branch, the Legislative Branch and the Judicial Branch as equal arms of one government?

Yes.
All with separate duties and mandates.
The Constitution gave power to the SC.
It was the legislation that drew up the Constitution.
This was made up of State representatives.
The States had to vote and ratify it.
It is this that lead to the Bill of Rights.
Because not all the States agreed on the Constitution at first.
What was already agreed to and determined as law was the Declaration of Independence. This made the States sovereign.

See where I am going here?
Before and after the Constitution it was common law courts in each State.
The Constitution created 3 branches of co-equal parts of the federal government.
They each were bound by these documents only having Jurisdiction under their government roles.
The legislative making laws. The administrative over the different administration's, the President with full powers over each administrative office and enacting laws that govern them.
The judicial to enforce the laws of the other 2.
The legislative then created the system of courts and Jurisdiction.

Nowhere is the Judicial provided any ability to legislate and create laws.
That is what I believe we are all trying to get at.

It is what I am attempting to address.
The Judicial Branch has no Constitutional Powers to legislate from the bench.
They are co-equal with different mandates.
The fact that Congress created the Judicial framework as in my first link provides shows who is in charge.
The Constitution only empowered and created the SC.
The Legislative created the rest.
The SC did not have power to create anything.
The Executive and Legislative hold those powers from Constitutional mandates.

So look how retarded it has become with the Judicial Branch attempting to prosecute POTUS by legislating from the bench creating from whole cloth reinterpreted meanings that supercedes their original mandate.

I can assure you 100% the SC, the current SC, will not rule in the lower courts favor.
It is not in their Constitutional mandate.
They have no Constitutional authority to legislate from the bench

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

It was the legislation that drew up the Constitution.

It was a Constitutional Convention.

The Constitution gave power to the SC.

The Constitution divided the government into three equal branches; The Executive, The Legislative and The Judicial.

They are co-equal with different mandates.

One is not lesser than the other, as you continue to argue. The Judicial Branch is NOT less than the Executive or the Legislative branches. Which is my argument with your posts.

So look how retarded it has become with the Judicial Branch attempting to prosecute POTUS by legislating from the bench creating from whole cloth reinterpreted meanings that supercedes their original mandate.

I'm not seeing it. And, Trump isn't POTUS. Trump is a private individual being prosecuted for his alleged crimes, under the law. Trump is not exempt from the law because he used to be POTUS, or because he was POTUS when he committed his alleged crimes.

The court ruled that people can sue Trump for damages he caused on Jan 6th. Of course, every plaintiff will have to prove their case in a court of law.

The Constitution recognizes two categories of branch officers: “principal” officers, who must be nominated by the president with the advice and consent of the Senate, and who serve at the president’s pleasure; and “inferior” officers, the appointments of which “Congress may by law vest... in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.” The Supreme Court has never drawn a bright line between the two, but the difference usually depends on how much independent authority the officer has. So Cabinet secretaries are principal officers, whereas their deputies and subordinates are inferior officers. But all government officers exercise significant federal authority in their own right. A majority of civilians who work for the executive branch for example are not officers, however, but simple employees. Again, the line between employees and inferior officers is not self-evident. But for folks who are clearly employees and not officers, most are protected by federal civil service laws, which, among other things, impose limits on when and how they can be terminated.

In a nutshell, the president is not a king, does not even have the ability to fire anyone he wants. The judiciary, the executive and the legislative branches of the government do not have unilateral control over any other branch. They do not have the power to fire anyone for any reason in another branch of the government, and the POTUS does not have the ability to fire or remove anyone for any reason in any one of these separate branches without consent from Congress. This was not done accidentally. History states that a majority of if not all of the original signers of the Constitution agreed on one thing. They didn't want a king.

Trump is going to go down not because of a vast conspiracy to get the man who would be king, but because his mouth and his own devices. He is just a man, a man who for 40+ years has never been held accountable for his actions. Remember, before he was president, he was known as a ruthless businessman who enjoyed the company of mob bosses, corrupt government officials by his own admissions in "The Art of The Deal". Both Trump Tower and Trump plaza were built with the help of Fat Tony Salerno and Paul Castellano. If you lived in New York for any amount of time in the 80's, Trump and Mafia were typically spoken in the same sentence.

Side note: did you guys know that man has written 39 books about himself?

a reply to: FarmerSimulation

I've read the actual law. Have you?