Israeli Politician admits 12,000 Palestinians have died so far but... they're mostly terrorists!

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: NorthOS

t.me...

IDF: This afternoon, several launches from Lebanon to different locations across northern Israel were identified. In response, the IDF is striking the sources of fire.

Furthermore, IDF fighter jets struck Hezbollah terror targets in Lebanon, including launch pads from which launches were carried out toward Israel over the past few days, and several military sites where Hezbollah terrorists were operating.

Attached is a related video: https://(link tracking not allowed)/3GgC8Tr

It sounds like escalation to me.

a reply to: quintessentone

From IDF updates. October 7th

IDF: IDF Artillery is currently striking the area in Lebanon from where a shooting was carried out.

The IDF has been taking preparational measures for this type of possibility and will continue to operate in all regions and at any time necessary to ensure the safety of the Israeli civilians.

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October 11

IDF: IDF aircraft struck terror targets belonging to the Hezbollah terrorist organization in Lebanon; Artillery fire was carried out toward the origin of the launch.

In response to the anti-tank missile fired at IDF soldiers a short while ago, an IDF aircraft struck a military observation post belonging to the Hezbollah terrorist organization in southern Lebanon. Furthermore, IDF artillery struck the area from which the launch originated.

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IDF: Following the initial report regarding a suspected infiltration from Lebanon into Israeli air space, all civilians in the areas where sirens were sounded are asked to enter shelters and stay in them until further notice.

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October 13

IDF: Attached is a video of the targeting of the terrorist cell that attempted to infiltrate from Lebanon into Israeli territory this morning: https://(link tracking not allowed)/46rbxhO

Those are just some random grabs. There are hundreds of incidents relating to other fronts since October 7 when this all kicked off.

originally posted by: quintessentone

Can Egypt accommodate more than a million people?

Why not? Would also open up the ability to provide help from the international side of it all.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Egypt hasn’t had any good come out of letting Palestinians into their country in the past.

In general they stir up sh!t wherever they go.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4


For once more

I tell you what...repost it 1000 times, that should do it...

Answer my question for once or move along with your repeating posts.

Is Israel targeting civilians?

What do to think? How did they die? They didn't just commit mass suicide....

According to the independent Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor, which is chaired by US emeritus law professor and former UN special rapporteur on Palestine, Richard Falk, the civilian death toll as of 20 November is 16,413, with nearly 34,000 injured. This would mean one in every 142 Palestinian civilians killed in a month and a half.


The civilian death toll is put at 16,413
They didn't commit suicide. They died because of the war. I know it's a point none of you like to address as you are stuck to a narrative that doesn't work but I wonder when something doesn't work why you insist.

Anyway, the ICC will have a lot of job to do.

You don't really need an Israeli politician to tell you 12,000 have died but... they were terrorists.

A number of politicians, lawmakers and lawyers, are trying to bring Israel before the ICC for war crimes and crimes against humanity. They obviously know and can see that Israel is targeting civilians among everything else they have done so far.

This is from my thread

Spain's social rights minister, Ione Belarra, has backed a legal initiative to bring the Israeli regime before the International Criminal Court (ICC) for "war crimes" in Palestine.

Belarra on Wednesday asked any dual-nationals from Palestine and European countries and their family members who are victims of war crimes to contact French lawyer Juan Branco to bring Israel's crimes before the national jurisdictions and at the International Criminal Court, "free of charge."

Branco earlier wrote on X platform (formerly known as twitter) that he agreed to represent "any victim of war crimes or crimes against humanity as well as any member of their family” free of charge.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Leviathan4

You know Lev, when I watch Palestinians trying to dig out their loved ones under rubble I just look around at the people milling around and most of them are children. If you watch the videos of the people on the move to South Gaza, most are children. Now Netanyahu is threatening to start bombing South Gaza where the people have been evacuated to and now wants to move them to an even smaller more densely packed area. How far will he have to bomb to get all the Hamas fighters? Right through all the Palestinian people that is how far, from what it looks like now. It's tragic and disgusting.

This argument has failed to convince anyone. We know that their intentions is to kill as many as possible and the civilian death toll shows precisely what is going on. Some of them are having thoughts of driving the Gaza inhabitants out of the area and lead them to the desert. Others want to annihilate Gaza and erase it from the face of the Earth. It's clear to anyone who thinks rationally what is happening in the name of self defense and freedom.

originally posted by: NorthOS

Egypt hasn’t had any good come out of letting Palestinians into their country in the past.

In general they stir up sh!t wherever they go.

When Egypt controlled Gaza they walled it off not letting the people there to actually assimilate into society. The same was with with Jordan as the West Bank is a foot to the West of that country, but is not also for some rerason "Palestine land".

originally posted by: Leviathan4

What do to think? How did they die? They didn't just commit mass suicide....

The civilian death toll is put at 16,413

You don't even read your own posts. the 16,000+ is a possible number of people buried under rubble not found yet, but once again we are not debating 12,000 or 16,413... or whatever. We are also not debating how they died as we can agree they died due to war. You cling to these numbers that Hamas is providing and treat them as honest counts when we both know the propaganda is massive.

The number isn't really the point either as you repost on a level of just trolling with them. The main point is why are the civilians there in the first place. You also need to understand that Hamas wants civilian deaths and has contributed to them too, so what those numbers on both sides are we do not know. We can agree it is in the 1000s and Hamas is just crazy happy with that.

Anyway, the ICC will have a lot of job to do.

ICC is a limp D, they do nothing and have done nothing in the course of millions of civilians killed in the ME, but NOW you expect them to hammer the Jews, why is that? Why not the greater offenders all around the Jews?

The rest is Bla bla bla repeats again....

Since you will not directly answer my question that I have asked 3 times now I think it is safe to say Israel is not intentionally killing civilians and so it is not a war crime. This also brings up the other question of why are the civilians still there to die and one just needs to look at Hamas for that answer, or is harboring civilians, and forcing civilians to store military gear, weapons, and ammo for them OK with you?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4

What do to think? How did they die? They didn't just commit mass suicide....

The civilian death toll is put at 16,413

You don't even read your own posts. the 16,000+ is a possible number of people buried under rubble not found yet, but once again we are not debating 12,000 or 16,413... or whatever. We are also not debating how they died as we can agree they died due to war. You cling to these numbers that Hamas is providing and treat them as honest counts when we both know the propaganda is massive.

The number isn't really the point either as you repost on a level of just trolling with them. The main point is why are the civilians there in the first place. You also need to understand that Hamas wants civilian deaths and has contributed to them too. What those numbers on both sides we do not know. We can agree it is in the 1000s and Hamas is just stupid happy with that.

Anyway, the ICC will have a lot of job to do.

ICC is a limp D, they do nothing and have done nothing in the course of millions of civilians killed in the ME, but NOW you expect them to hammer the Jews, why is that? Why not the greater offenders all around the Jews?

The rest is Bla bla bla repeats again....

Since you will not directly answer my question that I have asked 3 times now I think it is safe to say Israel is not intentionally killing civilians and so it is not a war crime. This also brings up the other question of why are the civilians still there to die and one just needs to look at Hamas for that answer, or is harboring civilians, and forcing civilians to store military gear, weapons, and ammo for them OK with you?

I know you're trying to excuse and downplay what is happening in Gaza but it doesn't really work and it's far from from convincing. Excuses and excuses and more excuses on what are simply war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian people.

The reason they are killed it's because they are bombed. Bombs don't discriminate between civilians and combatants and they kill pretty much everyone or in the best possible scenario injure them badly.

Why are they there? I don't know whether this is a rhetorical question but thet are where they are because they live there and have nowhere else to go. Even when they are forcibly displaced they are still bombed on their way to the southern parts of Gaza if they are able to make it.

The intentions and acts are clear and that's why the ICC has plenty of work to do. What you think about the ICC is irrelevant to be honest.

I never said there was no clear intention. Israel has shown clear intentions not only when they acted by killing thousands and thousands of innocent civilians but also through their many politicians and officials who have used genocidal rhetoric to argue the destruction of Gaza and erasing the place from the face of the Earth. Intention is clear.

Just as Mrs Suzanne Weiss said, who is a holocaust survivor, Israel has committed crimes against the Palestinians and has occupied their land and oppressed them for over 70+ years.

a reply to: Xtrozero

And to give a summary again from the post written above:

We know that their intentions is to kill as many as possible and the civilian death toll shows precisely what is going on. Some of them are having thoughts of driving the Gaza inhabitants out of the area and lead them to the desert. Others want to annihilate Gaza and erase it from the face of the Earth. It's clear to anyone who thinks rationally what is happening in the name of self defense and freedom.

It should be clear to you too that supporting unequivocally Israel it's the same as supporting among other things the mass killings of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians and their forced displacement as well as the destruction of their land.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I know you're trying to excuse and downplay what is happening in Gaza but it doesn't really work and it's far from from convincing. Excuses and excuses and more excuses on what are simply war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian people.

I'm not downplaying anything, I just do not agree with you. I also provided zero excuses as we both agree 1000s of civilians are dying. Your repeating wordplay just gets old and boring as you do not provide anything new and just keep regurgitating the same lines over and over.

I'll leave you with these words as to what war crimes would be.... intentionally killing civilians

originally posted by: Leviathan4

We know that their intentions is to kill as many as possible and the civilian death toll shows precisely what is going on. Some of them are having thoughts of driving the Gaza inhabitants out of the area and lead them to the desert. Others want to annihilate Gaza and erase it from the face of the Earth. It's clear to anyone who thinks rationally what is happening in the name of self defense and freedom.

It should be clear to you too that supporting unequivocally Israel it's the same as supporting among other things the mass killings of thousands and thousands of innocent civilians and their forced displacement as well as the destruction of their land.

I also asked why is Egypt not opening up its borders to create a safe haven and a place where the international community can also support it. I also didn't say I supported Israel unequivocally... You love to place words on to others, don't you? I have said about 10 times now that the ME is a horrendous place and Israel is also in the ME just not as bad as the other countries around them. So if they want to go after Israel there is a long line of other countries in front of them first.

The reason why no one is doing anything is because no one gives a crap, not Egypt, not Jordan, hell not even Iran... Saudi doesn't care so on and so forth as they all know what a mad dog Hamas really is.

But yes we have those in England and America playing their little selective outrage game, but they too will get tired of it and in the near future we will be back to the same old crap, but Hamas will be gone.

So any comments about the before mentioned non-existent tunnels under hospitals?

t.me...

BBC News admitting that it was wrong to question Israel's claims about Hamas tunnels under Shifa hospital.

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Famous Fox News journalist Trey Yingst becomes one of the first Western journalists to enter the Hamas tunnels under the Al-Shifa hospital.

Hamas has their main headquarters in Gaza in, and below, the hospital

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Al-Shifa Hospital from above.
Hamas terror complex below.
Hamas hides behind hospitals.
And here’s the drone footage.
That incontrovertibly proves it.
Hamas wages war from hospitals
Will the world condemn Hamas?

This was one of the many LIES spread on ATS.

“Israel is killing children and targeting hospitals, it’s a genocide and a war crime”

Many more lies are going to be exposed.

a reply to: NorthOS

No matter how long or loud they spout their lies, the truth will always come out at some point.

originally posted by: NorthOS
So any comments about the before mentioned non-existent tunnels under hospitals?

t.me...

BBC News admitting that it was wrong to question Israel's claims about Hamas tunnels under Shifa hospital.

t.me...

Famous Fox News journalist Trey Yingst becomes one of the first Western journalists to enter the Hamas tunnels under the Al-Shifa hospital.

Hamas has their main headquarters in Gaza in, and below, the hospital

t.me...

Al-Shifa Hospital from above.
Hamas terror complex below.
Hamas hides behind hospitals.
And here’s the drone footage.
That incontrovertibly proves it.
Hamas wages war from hospitals
Will the world condemn Hamas?

This was one of the many LIES spread on ATS.

“Israel is killing children and targeting hospitals, it’s a genocide and a war crime”

Many more lies are going to be exposed.

The targeting of civilian structures has already been recorded together with the war crimes committed

1) Complete siege of Gaza
2) Incitement to genocide
3) Collective punishment
4) Forced expulsion
5) Disproportional aerial bombardment of the civilian population
6) Attacks on civilian structures, hospitals, and humanitarian workers

There is no way out of this when Israel has killed thousands of innocent civilians using Hamas as an excuse any forcibly displacing hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. These are serious crimes and the Hamas argument doesn't stand in the ICC that currently gathers evidence for what has happened over the past 6 weeks.

Israel has isolated itself from the rest of the world with its actions.

As for the tunnels I can't remember many conversations made about them and certainly I am not the one who has made any. But there is some important information you're probably omitting or not aware of

Al-Shifa's Tunnels Were Built by Israel
We know that because Israel admits that it built them in the early 1980s. According to Israeli media reports, the underground facilities were designed by Tel Aviv architects Gershon Zippor and Benjamin Idelson.

theintercept.com...#:~:text=Al%2DShifa's%20Tunnels%20Were%20Built%20by%20Israel&text=We%20know%20that% 20because%20Israel,Gershon%20Zippor%20and%20Benjamin%20Idelson.

As for the 12,000 dead in Gaza. It seems to be many more as every day passes and they're mostly not terrorists but civilians despite what this guy has said.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You have no shame and an obvious agenda.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Leviathan4
I know you're trying to excuse and downplay what is happening in Gaza but it doesn't really work and it's far from from convincing. Excuses and excuses and more excuses on what are simply war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian people.

I'm not downplaying anything, I just do not agree with you. I also provided zero excuses as we both agree 1000s of civilians are dying. Your repeating wordplay just gets old and boring as you do not provide anything new and just keep regurgitating the same lines over and over.

I'll leave you with these words as to what war crimes would be.... intentionally killing civilians

Can you not see the intentions or you think that going after Hamas is a valid excuse for killing thousands and thousands of innocent civilians and forcibly displacing hundreds of thousands of them.

If you want to see intentions all you need to do is to listen to some of the politicians and officials from Israel who are clearly arguing that Gaza must be erased from the face of the earth, must be burnt, or even nuked...

Even this politician who admits there are 12,000 dead people in Gaza, says there are mostly terrorists and so good riddance. Clearly wishing goof riddance to 12,000 people who are mostly not terrorists isn't the best possible way to communicate with the world...

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Leviathan4

You have no shame and an obvious agenda.

Thread after thread they brought up the hospitals.

Proven now that Hamas is using civilians for cover.

Now they just double down.

“Shameless” is too kind. I’m sure you’re holding back.

a reply to: Leviathan4

You were wrong and you were spreading lies.

Come on admit it. You sound like a politician yourself.

originally posted by: NorthOS
a reply to: Leviathan4

You were wrong and you were spreading lies.

Come on admit it. You sound like a politician yourself.

I wasn't wrong about the hospital as I didn't make any claims or any threads about it by taking some position. You're probably confusing me with someone else. You need to admit that you don't know who has said what. If you find any posts that I made or anything else then I can happily discuss it.

You seem to want to be going off topic and are not able to address the thread about the 12,000 that according to the politician were terrorists....

As for the Hospital and since you brought it up
take a look at my last post. The link is there

Al-Shifa's Tunnels Were Built by Israel
We know that because Israel admits that it built them in the early 1980s. According to Israeli media reports, the underground facilities were designed by Tel Aviv architects Gershon Zippor and Benjamin Idelson.

You guys have been trying to argue these are tunnels created by Hamas by they were most likely created by Israel.

Do you know what else was created by Israel?!

You have provided a range of debunked arguments in a number of threads.