Barcelona Dockworkers Vow Not to Load Weapons for Israel or Any Conflict Zone

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

And, again. Most societies have the common sense to move women and children off rockets bases during a war. Hamas turns neighborhoods into rocket bases and use schools for weapons dumps. And where does Hamas make their homemade rockets?

You seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here. Hamas has very limited power, no airplanes, no tanks, no warships. It's Israel that possesses them and uses them against all targets including civilians.

The Spanish dockworkers were clear about their intentions to make it difficult for arms to reach Israel as they are used to kill thousands of innocent civilians. And it's Israel that has killed them and not Hamas.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


This is the civilian death toll.

Verified by who?

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Then quote their reports to show they are independent verification counts and not parroting Hamas.

What independence investigation determined the number killed at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. Because it wasn’t the Hamas lie of 500. Clear evidence Hamas lies about the cause of deaths and inflates them by a factor of 5.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

And, again. Most societies have the common sense to move women and children off rockets bases during a war. Hamas turns neighborhoods into rocket bases and use schools for weapons dumps. And where does Hamas make their homemade rockets?

You seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here. Hamas has very limited power, no airplanes, no tanks, no warships. It's Israel that possesses them and uses them against all targets including civilians.

The Spanish dockworkers were clear about their intentions to make it difficult for arms to reach Israel as they are used to kill thousands of innocent civilians. And it's Israel that has killed them and not Hamas.

Then maybe Hamas shouldn’t murder, rape, and launch rockets in the thousands into Israel.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


This is the civilian death toll.

Verified by who?

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Then quote their reports to show they are independent verification counts and not parroting Hamas.

What independence investigation determined the number killed at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. Because it wasn’t the Hamas lie of 500. Clear evidence Hamas lies about the cause of deaths and inflates them by a factor of 5.

This is a thread about the UN or Amnesty International. They have been quoted again and again and there is wide acceptance by now the death toll is om the tens of thousands.

You seem to be parroting IDF that a few days ago insisted there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

The whole world knows there is a humanitarian disaster in Gaza. That's why the Spanish dockworkers refused to load or unload military materials that is heading for Israel. Everyone knows about the massacre that has happened and is happening in Israel.

Stop being in denial please.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

And, again. Most societies have the common sense to move women and children off rockets bases during a war. Hamas turns neighborhoods into rocket bases and use schools for weapons dumps. And where does Hamas make their homemade rockets?

You seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here. Hamas has very limited power, no airplanes, no tanks, no warships. It's Israel that possesses them and uses them against all targets including civilians.

The Spanish dockworkers were clear about their intentions to make it difficult for arms to reach Israel as they are used to kill thousands of innocent civilians. And it's Israel that has killed them and not Hamas.

Then maybe Hamas shouldn’t murder, rape, and launch rockets in the thousands into Israel.

True. Nobody condones their actions

Bit still you seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here. Hamas has very limited power, no airplanes, no tanks, no warships. It's Israel that possesses them and uses them against all targets including civilians.

The Spanish dockworkers were clear about their intentions to make it difficult for arms to reach Israel as they are used to kill thousands of innocent civilians. And it's Israel that has killed them and not Hamas.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

They have been quoted again and again and there is wide acceptance by now the death toll is om the tens of thousands.

And I asked where is the results of their independent investigations. Or they just parroting Hamas.

The Al-Ahli Arab Hospital is a clear example when investigated Hamas inflates the number of dead by at least a factor of 5. And often lies about the cause of deaths.

originally posted by: Leviathan4


You seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here.

Hamas chooses to use human shields in the form of hostages. Hamas is choosing not to release them. Hamas chose to murder and rape on Oct 7. Hamas chooses to turn neighborhoods into rocket bases. Hamas chooses to do nothing to protect their civilians as they continue to launch rocket attacks. Hamas chooses to shield their weapons in schools and public buildings.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc..

I was trying to research how the Red Cross was coming up with their numbers.

Can you quote the Red Cross on the total number of civilians killed?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


This is the civilian death toll.

Verified by who?

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Red Cross president meets Hamas chief in Qatar to 'advance humanitarian issues'
The Red Cross said Monday that its president had travelled to Qatar to meet with Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh "to advance humanitarian issues related to the armed conflict in Israel and Gaza". Gaza's Hamas government said Monday the death toll in the Palestinian territory had passed 13,300 since war began on October 7. The figure could not be independently verified. And heavy fighting broke out earlier Monday around the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza, where thousands of patients and displaced people have been sheltering for weeks. Read our live blog to see how all the day's events unfolded. All times are Paris time (GMT+1).

Issued on: 20/11/2023 - 02:12
Modified: 20/11/2023 - 21:56
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Funny Hamas leadership is in Qatar, but Hamas can’t evacuate civilians out of neighborhoods Hamas turned into rocket bases?

Like duh 🙄

a reply to: Leviathan4

Like the truckers in Canada, they are showing the rest of us that if it's possible to resist the narrative, you have to resist.


Screw the elders of Zion.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc..

I was trying to research how the Red Cross was coming up with their numbers.

Can you quote the Red Cross on the total number of civilians killed?

There is no point trying to bring up the exact numbers in this thread or trying to argue this is 'Hamas propaganda'. The exact number is not known at the moment as there are many under the rubble.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

They have been quoted again and again and there is wide acceptance by now the death toll is om the tens of thousands.

And I asked where is the results of their independent investigations. Or they just parroting Hamas.

The Al-Ahli Arab Hospital is a clear example when investigated Hamas inflates the number of dead by at least a factor of 5. And often lies about the cause of deaths.

As I said above

You seem to be taking the point that's it's only Hamas who is playing here. Hamas has very limited power, no airplanes, no tanks, no warships. It's Israel that possesses them and uses them against all targets including civilians.

The Spanish dockworkers were clear about their intentions to make it difficult for arms to reach Israel as they are used to kill thousands of innocent civilians. And it's Israel that has killed them and not Hamas.

The Spanish dockworkers as well as other workers around the world such as the Belgian workers who handle military materials recognise the ongoing slaughtering in Gaza and the tens of thousands who have died as a result of the bombing campaign.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


This is the civilian death toll.

Verified by who?

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Red Cross president meets Hamas chief in Qatar to 'advance humanitarian issues'
The Red Cross said Monday that its president had travelled to Qatar to meet with Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh "to advance humanitarian issues related to the armed conflict in Israel and Gaza". Gaza's Hamas government said Monday the death toll in the Palestinian territory had passed 13,300 since war began on October 7. The figure could not be independently verified. And heavy fighting broke out earlier Monday around the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza, where thousands of patients and displaced people have been sheltering for weeks. Read our live blog to see how all the day's events unfolded. All times are Paris time (GMT+1).

Issued on: 20/11/2023 - 02:12
Modified: 20/11/2023 - 21:56
1 min

It's good to use a link by the way.
But exact numbers are not possible at this point. You seem to be making some desperate attempts to argue the number of dead people in Gaza is far lower. There is no evidence for such claims by the way.

It's precisely why the Spanish dockworkers decided to take this course of action. These areas are used to massacre civilians in their thousands.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc..

I was trying to research how the Red Cross was coming up with their numbers.

Can you quote the Red Cross on the total number of civilians killed?

There is no point trying to bring up the exact numbers in this thread or trying to argue this is 'Hamas propaganda'. The exact number is not known at the moment as there are many under the rubble.

Seriously.

After this was cited?

The figure could not be independently verified.

www.france24.com...

You made this statement.

originally posted by: Leviathan4



UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Either back up your claim the organizations actually have on the ground investigations that have independent accurate counts, or stop with false assurances based in biased innuendo.

originally posted by: Leviathan4


The Spanish dockworkers

Would deny Israel the use of weapons to defend itself to take out active Hamas rocket sites firing on Israel.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc..

I was trying to research how the Red Cross was coming up with their numbers.

Can you quote the Red Cross on the total number of civilians killed?

There is no point trying to bring up the exact numbers in this thread or trying to argue this is 'Hamas propaganda'. The exact number is not known at the moment as there are many under the rubble.

Seriously.

After this was cited?

The figure could not be independently verified.

www.france24.com...

You made this statement.

originally posted by: Leviathan4



UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Either back up your claim the organizations actually have on the ground investigations that have independent accurate counts, or stop with false assurances based in biased innuendo.

I never said they know the exact number so there is nothing to 'back up'.

My statement is the one above

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

They have all said there tens of thousands of dead and many more under the rumble. You seem to be struggling with the facts and especially with the number of dead and the fact that workers around the world recognise the slaughtering of innocent civilians that has resulted in this high death toll. There is nobody who claims the death toll is low apart from a few of you who deny reality.

Even Israeli Politicians agree that the death toll is high. See next post...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc..

I was trying to research how the Red Cross was coming up with their numbers.

Can you quote the Red Cross on the total number of civilians killed?

There is no point trying to bring up the exact numbers in this thread or trying to argue this is 'Hamas propaganda'. The exact number is not known at the moment as there are many under the rubble.

Seriously.

After this was cited?

The figure could not be independently verified.

www.france24.com...

You made this statement.

originally posted by: Leviathan4



UN, Amnesty International, Red Cross, etc. We can't know the exact number by now. But it seems there could be many more under the rumble.

Either back up your claim the organizations actually have on the ground investigations that have independent accurate counts, or stop with false assurances based in biased innuendo.

If you take a look around you will see that even Israeli Politicians agree there is a high death toll of Palestinians in Gaza

twitter.com...

Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid tells Sky News that "The majority of the 12,000 dead Palestinians were Terrorists."

More than 5,000 children have been killed. That would mean that the vast majority of the adults killed were Hamas, which is exceedingly unlikely.

The math doesn't add up. Unless, of course, Lapid considers children terrorists...

He does obviously agree that the death toll is around 12,000 even higher than what I said which was 10,000. But the only difference is that he regards the thousands of children and women who have died as Hamas terrorists...

originally posted by: Leviathan4

If you take a look around you will see that even Israeli Politicians agree there is a high death toll of Palestinians in Gaza

No sh!t. What do you think would happen with Hamas using human shields and doing nothing to protect , evacuate, and shelter its citizens.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

He does obviously agree that the death toll is around 12,000

Based on what on the ground verified body count.

Again. Hamas calls the death of their terror soldiers civilian deaths. And we know from al-Ahli Arab Hospital on Oct 17 that Hamas will literally inflate the number by 5 times. And falsely attribute deaths to Israel.

Hamas lies. What do you not get.