Why Is This The Way We Are

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Age has nothing to do with it, personal experience does not discriminate against age.


It is possible for two people to experience two different things growing up....derp

Why am I having to explain simple things to people who claim they have so much knowledge and experience?

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

I could give you a laundry list of names, but I want to keep my posts and threads online.

Post ban does not sound fun to me

a reply to: PorkChop96

This is your claim from the OP.

When I was growing up, yes you had people who were die hard for one side or the other, but it was never like it is now, at least from what I saw and remember.

Whatever. Either your experiences were empty and sheltered or you're very young.

I'm giving you examples of how people were "when I was growing up" that proves that people aren't worse today than back then. People are just as bad "die hards", for one side or another, today as they were yesterday, and the days before that too. I remember my great grandmother, a Civil War die hard, thinking she still had slaves.

I grew up with political leaders getting assassinated, religious leaders getting assassinated, and student protesters getting assassinated on campus by government police. I grew up with the fact that the US President had to call in the National Guard to force states to allow black children to attend school with white children; Where young men refused to be drafted into a war they disagreed with and fled the country to avoid prison.

So no. People aren't worse today than they were in the past. Your shallow assessment of how people are today is erroneous.

Some things never change.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: PorkChop96

This is your claim from the OP.

When I was growing up, yes you had people who were die hard for one side or the other, but it was never like it is now, at least from what I saw and remember.

Whatever. Either your experiences were empty and sheltered or you're very young.

Sorry that it is hard for you to see other peoples perspectives and understand that they grew up different than yourself.

So no. People aren't worse today than they were in the past. Your shallow assessment of how people are today is erroneous.

Some things never change.

Again, just because someone witnessed other things, growing up, than you did does not make them "shallow" or "erroneous". We witnessed and experienced different things in our youth and that is okay. What is not okay is discounting someone else views and life experience because it was different for you.

Some people change, for the better, while others are stuck in the "this is how it was, and nothing ever changes" mindset. Quite sad really.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: Annee

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originally posted by: Coelacanth55

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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Goldwater hit the nail on the head:

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater

today? substitute 'progressive ideologues' and 'Democrat party'. they are the ones, today, who refuse to compromise, and are convinced at their own righteousness.

I honestly wonder what kind of Magic Glasses the Right wears.

I honestly wonder how the "left" and the "right" don't see that they are acting exactly the same. Every one must be wearing those glasses.

No, not really.

Motto of the Right: "Right is Right"

If you don't agree you're wrong. They don't even look sideways.

Sounds like the left to me. Two sides of the same coin.

No it doesn't.

But the Right keeps repeating that.

Yes it does, unfortunately.

Two tribes willing to go to war against the "others" due to intolerance and inflexibility. And they don't care if it all burns down around them so long as they can say they were right.

You’ve decided these 2 tribes are Left?

I’d say all the conquerers of the world are Right. They take what they want because “Right is Right” — doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Annee

Observation is fact, kind of hard to observe something that never happened..., not something I should have to explain to someone as old as you claim to be.

You are your buddy on the red dress are the ones that brought up civil rights movement and civil rights activists. My thread is about red v blue, left v right.

Again, red v blue not about equal rights

I think you’ve completely lost the conversation just trying to prove you’re right.

a reply to: Annee

How so? By calling out you and others for going off on the civil rights band wagon when that is not what this thread is about.

Sure, think whatever you want. Not like I am the one who wrote the thread or anything.....

a reply to: PorkChop96

What?

Your thread asks te rhetorical question: Why Is This The Way We Are

Then, in your OP, you go on to say ridiculous stuff like this, prefaced by some iteration of "In my day!"

If you had a blue guy sitting next to a red guy at a bar they could hold a civil conversation about politics without getting personal, without throwing around hate, violence, and just utter nonsense because the other guy had a different view/opinion.

Forget about MLK Jr, and JFK, how about Jimmy Hoffa? Cesar Chaves? Assassinated, both of them! As if you completely forgot, or never knew about labor unions and the violence around organized unions and labor!

But you go ahead with your sheltered, rosy world view, believing that back in "your day" the world was a better place. MAGA!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Man, it is really hard for you to see other peoples viewpoints without calling them MAGA isn't it?

Did I ruffle some feathers trying to keep you on topic?

Why is it so hard for you people to stay on topic of political red v blue? Any other day that is all you want to talk about, but yet, when someone asks your opinion on the matter, you have nothing but off topic bs. Then when called out on it call someone MAGA.

Blue will always blue I guess.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I think it started about 12 years ago or so. It's been baked into the University curriculum by way of identity politics along with other curricular subjects such as DEI....it's created numerous victim classes for which the social justice warriors can justify any manner of nastiness.

It's all downhill from here........enjoy!

a reply to: PorkChop96

Did I ruffle some feathers trying to keep you on topic?

What topic? You headline asks a question. In your OP you assert that, "when you were growing up" people were more civil than they are now. Is the topic, according to you, to agree with you, and anything else of off topic?

I simply showed you numerous examples, from my own life experience, that contradicts your view that people used to behave better.

You're wrong. There is no golden era when people were better behaved that we should try to reinvent.

a reply to: RogerFalcon

It's been baked into the University curriculum by way of identity politics along with other curricular subjects such as DEI....

DEI? Isn't that just a reiteration of integration from the 60s and the Summer of Love from the 70s?

Just more Harvey Milk and MLK BS! Amirite?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If you even bothered to read the entire OP it is centered around the treatment of the opposing political sides.

"When did this country turn to insults/death threats/threats of violence/acts of violence/etc., when you find out that someone else supports the opposite political party as you?"

This is literally the first question I ask in the OP.

The points you made had nothing to do with the right vs left ideology that this thread is about. You made it about people in general, which is not the topic of the thread.

Hard to be wrong in my own thread

a reply to: PorkChop96

Hard to be wrong in my own thread

Not for you.

"When did this country turn to insults/death threats/threats of violence/acts of violence/etc., when you find out that someone else supports the opposite political party as you?"

Well before Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr dueled over political disagreements.

The duel was the final skirmish of a long conflict between Democratic-Republicans and Federalists.

en.wikipedia.org...

The points you made had nothing to do with the right vs left ideology that this thread is about.

False. The assassinations of Malcom X, MLK JR, JRK and RFK all had to do with right/left ideology. The Vietnam War protests had everything to do with politics and Left V Right. Labor unions v Management has everything to do with Blue V Red. Go watch the movie Reds.


Integration and Civil Rights have everything to do with Right v Left and they've been at it since the beginning of time.

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: PorkChop96

It's really nothing new. The civil war didn't start overnight. It took a while for the division to reach a boiling point.

When I was a kid in the 60's, I remember seeing two old guys come to blows over politics. Tensions were high at the time in this country.

the Days when an opponent was lauded as Loyal Opposition dissolved rapidly during the 20 year generation that featured Kennedy-Nixon when politics went crazy with 'absolute-ism" and Vietnam wars....

Americans/Pop Culture got 'Woken Up' and realized the Emporer wore no clothes... 1960-1976 era &5 years each end

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: RogerFalcon

It's been baked into the University curriculum by way of identity politics along with other curricular subjects such as DEI....

DEI? Isn't that just a reiteration of integration from the 60s and the Summer of Love from the 70s?

Just more Harvey Milk and MLK BS! Amirite?

Actually it's a lot worse, but you knew that.

originally posted by: StudioNada

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: PorkChop96

It's really nothing new. The civil war didn't start overnight. It took a while for the division to reach a boiling point.

When I was a kid in the 60's, I remember seeing two old guys come to blows over politics. Tensions were high at the time in this country.

 

the Days when an opponent was lauded as Loyal Opposition dissolved rapidly during the 20 year generation that featured Kennedy-Nixon when politics went crazy with 'absolute-ism" and Vietnam wars....

Yes. They, both sides, used to believe in hashing it out until they came to a compromise.

At some point the Right started slamming the door shut saying, "we don't care what you think".

Shortly after I left the Republican party because of the "dead lock" situation they created as they refused to work toward a compromised solution.

I became an unaffiliated fiscal conservative/social liberal.

Yeah, actually lived it in real time.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: PorkChop96

Did I ruffle some feathers trying to keep you on topic?

In your OP you assert that, "when you were growing up" people were more civil than they are now. Is the topic, according to you, to agree with you, and anything else of off topic?

They were more controlled by social acceptance.

The "50's" was not Happy Days. There were lots of restrictions. My brother got expelled from school for not wearing a belt.

Everybody had their place.

I'd say a lot changed after the Fair Housing Act. People were no longer confined to specific groups.

a reply to: Annee

My brother got expelled from school for not wearing a belt.

I got sent to the principal's office for making a Buddha bust for a Paper Mache project we were given in 4th grade.

a reply to: RogerFalcon

Actually it's a lot worse, but you knew that.

Worse? No, I don't "know that", since I don't think the acceptance of racial integration, women's rights and gay rights are below some optimum moral American standard to begin with.