Why Is This The Way We Are

a reply to: Klassified

Question for electtion 2024, is Gavin Newsom satanic? Or is he just possesed by him?

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Klassified

Question for electtion 2024, is Gavin Newsom satanic? Or is he just possesed by him?

LOL.
Being the heathen that I am, I don't believe in Satan as an individual, but I do think Newsom is a heartless and evil person.

a reply to: PorkChop96

Anonymity and separation contributed. It might not be all of it, but it hasn't helped

When we could say ugly things out loud, attack groups of people and individuals without being in the same room or without having to look each other in the eye it changed us

Then we became afraid of each other and began to hate each other even though we live right next to each other

The Power groups believed that the national radio station, Radio Rwanda, had become too liberal and supportive of the opposition; they founded a new radio station, Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines (RTLM). The RTLM was designed to appeal to the young adults in Rwanda and had extensive reach. Unlike newspapers that could only be found in cities, the radio broadcasts were accessible to Rwanda's largely rural population of farmers. The format of the broadcasts mirrored Western-style radio talk shows that played popular music, hosted interviews, and encouraged audience participation. The broadcasters told crude jokes and used offensive language that contrasted strongly with Radio Rwanda's more formal news reports.

Rawanda genocide

We all believe we're not susceptible to propaganda. Thats why it works

People now treat each other in person the way we treat each other online. Social media including ATS is turning us all into narcissistic egocentric jerks.

Remove the flags, stars, and thumbs-up's would help remove the dopamine influence that drives some people to post things of little value to the actual conversation.

a reply to: Klassified

but I do think Newsom is a heartless and evil person.

That works for me as yes, both heartless and evil for all already here and thise inboun. Then just look at his smirk and eyes. d

a few decades ago the political left (in the USA and West Europe) abandoned Christianity for Humanism.
I think it started in the upper reaches of Academia and has filtered down.

without a Christian influence we started getting the by-any-means-necessary philosophy.

without the Christian foundation morality began being based on politics. the right politics made you moral; by extension, the wrong politics = immoral. thus, conservatives and Christians were not just thought wrong, they were considered to be evil. ridicule, bullying, shaming, silencing the right was accepted as the equivalent of fighting evil. greens blocking a highway project consider themselves to be moral crusaders, not just political activists.

I think most conservatives in the USA, including most Republicans, still don't comprehend the fanaticism of the left.

originally posted by: Threadbarer
a reply to: PorkChop96

It was a slow build up. I'd say it started under Bush with Fox becoming overtly biased. Then it continued under Obama with the rise in social media and CNN and MSNBC becoming overtly biased. Then it all culminated when we elected a President that was using social media to push political conspiracy theories.

I think you mean conspiracy facts.

FBI spying
Russia Hoax
Ukraine Hoax
J6 insurrection hoax

a reply to: DBCowboy

I do agree with you, if more people knew there were consequences for what they said and did they would not do it.


Few years before my time brother

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: PorkChop96

That's the thing about trauma and drama, always seems excellent when it's over there and somewhere else, right? That's entertainment! Maybe elsewhere someone is laughing at you and your nation's demise because it's actually funny to them. .

Funny you say that.

To me, it has almost become comical at how people treat politics in this country. As if it actually means anything as to who sits in the big chair.

Yeah, the president holds power, but it is perceived power, not real/actual power.

a reply to: Klassified

I agree with you to a degree.

I believe that, no matter how 2024 goes, we are royally F'ed as a country.

If recent events have proven anything to me, it's that if you say the right "trigger words" you can get away with doing, saying, or being anything/anyone.

Only a matter of time before we hit that cliff's edge and throw ourselves off of it.

a reply to: strongfp

I don't disagree

The only difference there is the "order/laws" that we have now are doing something to keep what little bit they can control in line.

Even then, they are selective on who/what they want to control and that is doing nothing to quell the rising issues in this country

It's the evaluation of political campaigning.

What better way to turn out your base then to turn them into blood thirsty brain dead sycophants?

originally posted by: PorkChop96

And again, please don't turn this into a political argument about Trump/Biden/Hillary/etc. This is about the utter hatred and disgust that either side has for one another and I want to know if others can pinpoint the turning point when it went to what it is now from the, somewhat, civil convos people used to have about politics.

Around 2012 was the start. A part of it was Obama's second term where he helped push more radical leftist ideals, but we also saw an increase in the radical speech of Universities, and now all that has bled down to the grade school levels too. Under Trump, we finally saw the curtain pulled aside as rumors became reality in bureaucratic government agencies showed a very mostly left mentality and support, social media was 99% leftist, the news was 90% mostly left (that was a Harvard study), schools were 90% mostly left...so on and so forth.

But the true craziness we have seen with what you suggest and even with areas like LGBTQIA and others that have just spiraled out of control along with radical groups like BLM, #MeToo, and other movements that could all start with a good idea but also just spiral into chaos is because of the internet.

The internet has AI functions to make your travels on it better, but it just made people radicalized. The first AI follows what you search for so if you are moderate left will say 60/40 and you search that AI will continually push you down the path of everything liberal because it is thinking that is what you are looking for. The Second AI is called Friend or Foe and that is where it categorizes your searches into friend or foe events and so as you are pushed down a path of everything liberal it then starts to push only good liberal topics and only bad conservative topics. Over time you end up seeing that everything liberal no matter what is good and anything conservative is bad. That 60/40 becomes 99/1 and the person now thinks the other side is evil incarnate.

For example, after a million argument posts does anyone really think it is good pushing adult sexual scenarios and kinks down to 3rd graders, or securing the borders is actually bad?

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: Threadbarer

With the slow build up, ending in Trump just going off the rails on SM. Do you think it was the conspiracy theories he was spouting, or was it the fact that nobody could control him that was the real issue for people?

Did people hate him as a person, or did people hate the fact that he spoke his mind, told it how it was, or called people out as they should have been?

In the beginning, I and others I knew hated him because he was openly, what many politicians were in secret.
Narcissistic, boastful, self serving, and he represented the elite billionaire class which he's a part of, which ran directly in opposition to Bernie Sanders' message of taxing the rich more and raising the minimum wage.

Basically, he WAS the type of guy Sanders was talking about.

But as time went on, people began to focus on other things; things that didn't even matter.
Saying "Cofvfefe" on Twitter? Duh, obviously was in a hurry, and might've typed with wet fingers.

Saying COVID started in Wuhan? Calling it the Chinese Virus? Not a conspiracy theory. He was right about that.

I think on both sides people will latch onto anything they can to talk smack about.
We do that when we hate people, like making fun of Desantis for walking girly.

a reply to: watchitburn


Yeah, that's no small factor in the division, either.

TPTB were literally willing to lie to the whole nation, and risk war with Russia,
to claim Hilary didn't win because of leaked emails from John and Tony Podesta,
and a conspiracy theory about the elites doinking child sex slaves at a pizza place.

Then Epstein gets arrested for crimes involving trafficking underage girls with multiple
politicians, including the Clintons implicated, and the media just says "pay no mind".
Then he dies suspisciously in prison with it looking like a strangling.
The talking heads say:
"Don't ask questions! Don't be one of those Pizza-gate crazies!"

Well, frankly, Pizza-gate was obviously true enough, and so was the Wuhan origin and lab leak.
And Snowden and Assange are STILL not able to go home.
Anyone paying attention knows our country has been hijacked.

Where it goes wrong is in thinking that one political party is the problem.
I don't even view these woke people and war mongers as liberals,
and I refuse to swing all the way back to the right in response,
because I don't blame ideology. I blame corporate greed.

Censoring "hate speech" is just a means to an end. Saying I can't say "kill" or "suicide", but I can say "unalive", is setting it up to remove all criticism of the corporations and the MIC.

Themajor parties are two arms of the same monster.
They want 1984, and it all started with the Patriot Act, under a Republican cabinet!

originally posted by: Xtrozero

For example, after a million argument posts does anyone really think it is good pushing adult sexual scenarios and kinks down to 3rd graders, or securing the borders is actually bad?

Or that safe abortions shouldn't be available to anyone that might need it, or that it's probably not a good idea to rain bombs down on civilian populations?

Excellent point; if we peal away all the conditioning that is pumped into our brains we would probably find that 90% of us more similar then we are different.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

Or that safe abortions shouldn't be available to anyone that might need it, or that it's probably not a good idea to rain bombs down on civilian populations?

Excellent point; if we peal away all the conditioning that is pumped into our brains we would probably find that 90% of us more similar then we are different.

Kind of like we all were before 2012 came along...lol

On a side note, we also need to understand that one radical ass living in their mom's basement can seem like 10,000 people online. That really drives up the idea that "Wow everyone thinks that way" when the reality is only one dumb ass does at first.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

Or that safe abortions shouldn't be available to anyone that might need it,

Abortion is that crazy topic no one wants to fix in the end. If the liberals didn't have it as a front narrative they wouldn't have much else, and if the conservatives would come off their 100% zero abortion religious point the liberals wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

In all negotiations, you only know that you were correct is when both sides are not happy in the end. We don't want an abortion clinic on every street corner that treats abortions as the first choice and becomes a money maker for the clinic, we also do not want late-term abortion either.... But we also need to understand people and their needs in the end. Having a woman who has a good number and the state pays shows no repercussions for repeated poor decisions that I don't think I need to pay for. On the other hand, a woman because of young age and/or income, etc just can't bear a child and still have a chance at a successful life should have that choice and should feel it was a needed but horrible decision they should never want to repeat again. A life is still a life we should never forget that...

In the end, both sides of the debate are not 100% happy, but it would fix it and Congress can do that if they wanted to.

There is no simple answer to this question.

Many nations have fought some horrific wars over differing political opinions when reason and debate failed to resolve the issues. The US Civil War was essentially two political parties who could not reach an agreement on the definition of 'all men are created equal'.

As for individual acts of violence or aggression that has been ramping up for a long time now. I believe the nascent can be traced back to the decline of education and its replacement with indoctrination. The longer we substitute ideology for education the worse the problem will become.

We changed product labels, tore down statues, initiated changes in holiday decorations, deemed certain language offensive and therefore illegal, yet people are still not happy productive members of society. So maybe those things were never the problem in the first place...or is that too much common sense for this day and age....

a reply to: Vroomfondel

It actually kind of IS simple, I'm afraid.


Humans are tribalistic, because we're hormonal, dumb apes.


If you give people a group identity,
they will fight other groups for supremacy until only 1 group remains,
then the people who didn't like that group will multiply in secret and revolt and create other groups again,
then the cycle repeats.

We need to abolish political parties completely, for starters, and have politicians run solely on issues.
We also need to understand and accept, as a species, that we are apes, and our
natural state is to be against others and be divisive instead of compromise or agree.

Having teams and identity politics only supercharges our worst nature.