Jewish Holocaust survivor: Israel is turning Gaza into a 'death camp'

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainY
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I think you're mistaken again if you haven't listened to what both of these Holocaust survivors have said about Israel and its actions in Gaza that they both condemn.

Which has nothing to do with the fact Hamas used human shields, did nothing to work on extending the ceasefire further, sanctions murder/rape/torture/kidnapping/child abduction and abuse, and continues to fire rockets into Israel when the have the chance.

So. How do you stop Hamas and their on going drive to use violence kill all Jews?

I understand you're trying to shift the conversations to Hamas but that doesn't really work I am afraid. The existence of Hamas doesn't justify the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel.

Gaza has become a death camp because of the actions by Israel.

Several calls for the arrest of Netanyahou and his Government have been made. One of them here

www.africanews.com...

The South African government on Monday called on the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by mid-December.

Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni said it would signal a "total failure" of global governance if the ICC does not do so.

"The world cannot simply stand by and watch. The global community needs to rise to stop this genocide now," said Ntshavheni.

It's Israel that is responsible for turning Gaza into a death camp according to this holocaust survivor. I think most people will agree with her.

originally posted by: Vermilion
a reply to: CP134

Yeah yeah yeah…
We can all learn lessons from longtime social justice activist Suzanne Weiss.
An admitted communist, member of the socialist workers party, pro Soviet, pro Cuba.
She’d thank you for helping to sell her book.
I have a feeling that it she lived in Israel and had to dodge daily terror rockets then she might have a slightly different opinion.
It’s easy for her to be the commie sjw living in safe old Canada eh.
Anything to sell books

Marione Ingram is another holocaust survivor and she too, just as many other Jewish people, has condemned the actions of Israel in Gaza. Mass murder and crimes against humanity will not bring peace and justice.

It's really damning for your untenable position and those who unequivocally support Israel to argue against holocaust survivors who know more than anyone else what war and destruction mean.

www.democracynow.org...

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainY

The whole world has seen what is going on in Gaza and under what conditions its people have lived.

As in the religious hell hole and terrorist state Hamas turned Gaza into?

Where a misfired Gaza rocket hit a parking at the al-Ahli Arab Hospital? Then Hamas lies about it, and inflated the number of dead by a factor of 3 to 5? A clear case Hamas inflates numbers. Lies about the number of civilians killed. And Hamas lies by calling the deaths of their terrorists as the deaths of noncombatants?

Where there is strong evidence the 70 killed leaving Gaza by Salah al-Din Road was by Hamas booby traps and not an Israeli air strike. And as evidence came to surface it was caused by Hamas, the incident goes dark in the media?

You seem to be in a denial of the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by Israel by exercising in whataboutism. It doesn't work Iam afraid. The whole world has seen what is going on in Gaza and there are calls for the arrest of Netanyahou and his Government.

www.reuters.com...

Turkey's Erdogan says Israel's Netanyahou 'will be tried as war criminal'

a reply to: FlyersFan

Another Jewish Holocaust survivor has condemned Israel and its actions in Gaza.

87-year old Marione Ingram has been protesting outside the White House and had been asking for a ceasefire and the end of hostilities. Better listen to what she has to say as Zionism and its very ugly form can seriously damage Israel and the war can spread throughout the wider area in the middle east.

She goes further to say that what Israel does isn't going to end the conflict but exarcebate it.

It's just wise words.

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The truth of the matter is what Israel is doing is just creating more hamas supporters, thus making it worse for them in the long run.

Kill a families child and the whole family wants to kill you. Who would have thought Israel would become like the people who oppressed them in ww2.

originally posted by: CaptainY

I understand you're trying to shift the conversations to Hamas but that doesn't really work I am afraid.

I’m not shifting the conversation.

How do you stop Hamas that literally has launched thousands of rockets just this year into Israel. And thousands more over the years. And has sanctioned active targeting of civilians through murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, child abuse to wipe Jews of the face of the earth. While Hamas uses human shields, is now known committing war crimes against its own civilians, and proven cases lies about civilian deaths, and lies about the deaths of their terrorists as noncombatants.

We are referring to Hamas the elected government of Gaza.

originally posted by: Maybenexttime
The truth of the matter is what Israel is doing is just creating more hamas supporters, thus making it worse for them in the long run.

Kill a families child and the whole family wants to kill you. Who would have thought Israel would become like the people who oppressed them in ww2.

How did the USA end the war with Japan? No, And U’m not suggesting dropping a nuclear bomb. But the USA had to make it uncomfortable for Japan to think they had the “spiritual right and power” to wage war.

originally posted by: Maybenexttime
The truth of the matter is what Israel is doing is just creating more hamas supporters, thus making it worse for them in the long run.

Kill a families child and the whole family wants to kill you. Who would have thought Israel would become like the people who oppressed them in ww2.

Valid point and I think many others have pointed out how wrong the decision was to kill thousands of innocent civilians. Apart from being morally indefensible and criminal.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainY

I understand you're trying to shift the conversations to Hamas but that doesn't really work I am afraid.

I’m not shifting the conversation.

How do you stop Hamas that literally has launched thousands of rockets just this year into Israel. And thousands more over the years. And has sanctioned active targeting of civilians through murder, rape, torture, kidnapping, child abuse to wipe Jews of the face of the earth. While Hamas uses human shields, is now known committing war crimes against its own civilians, and proven cases lies about civilian deaths, and lies about the deaths of their terrorists as noncombatants.

We are referring to Hamas the elected government of Gaza.

The only solution to this problem is political and everyone knows it. The scenario that you will stop Hamas or other jihadi groups or the resistance in occupied territories or in the middle east, is just unrealistic. The only way out of this is through a political process with the US and Allies as well as the Arab Countries working towards the establishment of an Independent Palestinian State that will recognise Israel and vice versa.

Anything else is wasn't of time and waste of human life.

The more innocent people are killed the more radicalised the young people of Gaza become and will fall in the hands of whatever group is ready to fight Israel.

originally posted by: CaptainY

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainY

The more innocent people are killed the more radicalised the young people of Gaza become and will fall in the hands of whatever group is ready to fight Israel.

Palestinians are already murdering, raping, beheading, torturing, putting babies in ovens, stealing dead bodies, kidnapping and mutilating corpses.
I’d argue they are 100% radicalized already.
The transformation to animal is complete.

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Palestinians are already murdering, raping, beheading, torturing, putting babies in ovens, stealing dead bodies, kidnapping and mutilating corpses.
I’d argue they are 100% radicalized already.
The transformation to animal is complete.

edit on 4-12-2023 by Vermilion because: (no reason given)

a reply to: CaptainY


Palestinians are already murdering, raping, beheading, torturing, putting babies in ovens, stealing dead bodies, kidnapping and mutilating corpses.
I’d argue they are 100% radicalized already.
The transformation to animal is complete.

originally posted by: CaptainY


The only solution to this problem is political and everyone knows it.

Total BS.

Giving Palestinians governing control and occupation of Gaza was supposed to start the political process of advancing to peace.

The ceasefire and retuning of all Israeli hostages could have started a political process.

Preventing Hamas from continuing their launching of rockets in the thousands into Israel is not a political problem. It’s a military action.

Hamas sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping of civilians is not a political problem. It’s sanctioned terrorism by a governing body.

Hamas making it a question of survival of us or them is not a political problem.

Hamas wanting to force one religion rule is not a political problem.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: CaptainY


The only solution to this problem is political and everyone knows it.

Total BS.

Giving Palestinians governing control and occupation of Gaza was supposed to start the political process of advancing to peace.

The ceasefire and retuning of all Israeli hostages could have started a political process.

Preventing Hamas from continuing their launching of rockets in the thousands into Israel is not a political problem. It’s a military action.

Hamas sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping of civilians is not a political problem. It’s sanctioned terrorism by a governing body.

Hamas making it a question of survival of us or them is not a political problem.

Hamas wanting to force one religion rule is not a political problem.

It's precisely what most senior US Officials have said including Josh Paul who has recently resigned from the State Department. The only solution is political and your idea of 'solution' as everyone knows will lead nowhere but to the continuation of the war and nothing else.

You're mistake if you think the only problem for Israel is Hamas after its Government united the entire Muslim world with their actions in the last 7 weeks. As I said above

The only solution to this problem is political and everyone knows it. The scenario that you will stop Hamas or other jihadi groups or the resistance in occupied territories or in the middle east, is just unrealistic. The only way out of this is through a political process with the US and Allies as well as the Arab Countries working towards the establishment of an Independent Palestinian State that will recognise Israel and vice versa.

Anything else is wasn't of time and waste of human life.

The more innocent people are killed the more radicalised the young people of Gaza become and will fall in the hands of whatever group is ready to fight Israel.

a reply to: CaptainY

Your words are meaningless.

How is there a political solution to Hamas sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping of civilians. A political solution to the Hamas total commitment to killing as many Jews as possible? With rape and pillage thrown in?

a reply to: CaptainY

I would most definitely say Israel’s commitment to human rights seen in their freedom of religion.

I would most definitely say Hamas there is no political solution in their sanction violence to destroy freedom of religion, and try to rid the world of everting but Islam.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: CaptainY

Your words are meaningless.

How is there a political solution to Hamas sanctioned murder, rape, torture, kidnapping of civilians. A political solution to the Hamas total commitment to killing as many Jews as possible? With rape and pillage thrown in?

It's the other way around.
It seems you are very detached from reality and living in an alternate version of it just as a few other posters here who think there is a solution out of the mass murder of innocent civilians, ethnic cleansing and possible genocide.

The same thing can be asked when Palestinians are involved in political discussions later on. Something that will eventually happen. His can they trust their oppressor? The Israeli Stare has been oppressing them for the past 75 years, stolen their land and killed so many of them.

And now is turning Gaza into a death camp just as Mrs Weiss said and the whole world has witnessed over the past 7 weeks.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: CaptainY

I would most definitely say Israel’s commitment to human rights seen in their freedom of religion.

I would most definitely say Hamas there is no political solution in their sanction violence to destroy freedom of religion, and try to rid the world of everting but Islam.

Israel has no such commitment and it has been exposed in the past 7 weeks trying to cover the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians who have slaughtered in the name of self defense. There are several calls for Netanyahou and his Government to he arrested for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of these atrocities.

The South African government on Monday called on the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu by mid-December.

Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni said it would signal a "total failure" of global governance if the ICC does not do so.

"The world cannot simply stand by and watch. The global community needs to rise to stop this genocide now," said Ntshavheni.

You probably need to wake up from this alternate reality of yours that you seem to be living.

a reply to: Lazy88



www.cnn.com...

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State Department Official Josh Paul explaining the reasons for his resignation.

1) it's an uncontroversial fact that US Arms should not be used to Massacre civilians and should not be used to result in massive civilian casualties. US Arms should not be used to kill civilians

2) There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end.

As you can see US Officials and everyone else know well there is no military solution here contrary to your rather nonsensical claims.

a reply to: Leviathan4

It should be a killing field.

People would be shocked, if they knew war was about killing those who are trying to kill you.

Guess what people, war is raw violence.

Don't like it, stop viewing it.

Peace didn't work very well did it....
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a reply to: ADVISOR

My dad was a in Vietnam. He told me that the last thing on his mind was killing another human. He also said the part of war is that if he did not kill he would have been dead. His only way out was to shoot his own foot.

He never took that path because he was in fear of getting shot after.