If you support the call for Israel to offer ceasefire, then you support Hamas.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Ok. So you have your ceasefire.

Did the murderous barbarians that killed over a thousand Israel citizens after torturing them come to justice or did they get away with it?

What happens after the ceasefire?

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Might that self-defense entail something of the public image of Israel to the world, but also especially towards the Islamic countries completely surrounding them, maybe reducing the number of people traumatized by the conflict and therefore, reducing the number of guaranteed new terrorist recruits in those regions?

When coming to terms with 9/11, Israel can burn with how I feel. I know there there is more to a nation than some # heads. Israel dose have a lot to provide to the region if it wanted. Instead it has taken a war policy so that is what it has, for now. If the Middle East want peace, getting ride of Israel is on the table.

With the approach Israel is taking, I cannot blame the Middle East if they choose to defend themselves. I hope it don't come to that so trying to be a voice of reason in this madness, but if it happens, meh.

In this post….
The antisemite hamas supporter shows its true colors.

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Might that self-defense entail something of the public image of Israel to the world, but also especially towards the Islamic countries completely surrounding them, maybe reducing the number of people traumatized by the conflict and therefore, reducing the number of guaranteed new terrorist recruits in those regions?

When coming to terms with 9/11, Israel can burn with how I feel. I know there there is more to a nation than some # heads. Israel dose have a lot to provide to the region if it wanted. Instead it has taken a war policy so that is what it has, for now. If the Middle East want peace, getting ride of Israel is on the table.

With the approach Israel is taking, I cannot blame the Middle East if they choose to defend themselves. I hope it don't come to that so trying to be a voice of reason in this madness, but if it happens, meh.

I agree with much of what you say, but can we allow, for argument's sake, that any preemptive reprisal from terrorist organizations would also be wrong?

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels



How did we kill Osama?

Why can't they try to do something like that?
Why aren't they going spec ops?
Legitimately asking.

originally posted by: VermiIion

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Might that self-defense entail something of the public image of Israel to the world, but also especially towards the Islamic countries completely surrounding them, maybe reducing the number of people traumatized by the conflict and therefore, reducing the number of guaranteed new terrorist recruits in those regions?

When coming to terms with 9/11, Israel can burn with how I feel. I know there there is more to a nation than some # heads. Israel dose have a lot to provide to the region if it wanted. Instead it has taken a war policy so that is what it has, for now. If the Middle East want peace, getting ride of Israel is on the table.

With the approach Israel is taking, I cannot blame the Middle East if they choose to defend themselves. I hope it don't come to that so trying to be a voice of reason in this madness, but if it happens, meh.

In this post….
The antisemite hamas supporter shows its true colors.

It's obviously from a strategic perspective of Mid East countries.

Could you use the same logic of the thread and also label Israel as pro-terrorist when they offer a ceasefire?

a reply to: quintessentone

Thanks for the reminder.

I know one thing, violence breeds violence, and there is but one way to break the cycle...

a reply to: TheValeyard

We took out the 9/11 boogyman long after his usefulness was gone, if even then.

I remember bunker buster bombs falling all over Afghanistan and Iraq took a pretty big hit as well.

Im not going to labor a thread shift, but to say that anyone understands what happened when we finally 'got osama', it took a long damn time. We fought war in the ME for 20 years after 9/11... good or bad.

Why do you expect Israel to quit so soon?

Do we have the name of the boogyman?

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

When Israel calls for a ceasefire, would they be supporting terrorists, just like everyone else calling for a ceasefire is being labeled?

They will finally be doing one act of self defense.

Might that self-defense entail something of the public image of Israel to the world, but also especially towards the Islamic countries completely surrounding them, maybe reducing the number of people traumatized by the conflict and therefore, reducing the number of guaranteed new terrorist recruits in those regions?

What are your opinions on how this can be achieved?

Personall I think Hamas need to be removed, two-state solution and possibly a UN style peacekeeping force put in place until Palestinians can elect a new government.

Al-Queda have a strong foot in North Egypt near the Gaza border and there's very high risk of Gaza falling further into a failed terrorist state/open air apartheid prison without a thoroughly detailed and implemented plan for after the current conflict.

a reply to: TheValeyard

Because Osama was CIA?

a reply to: VermiIion

The antisemite hamas supporter shows its true colors.

Political repression is nothing new. Gotta love the under dog. Call me an anti vax anti Zionist for a more accurate description. Would it blow your mind if some Hamas where actual Semites?

a reply to: bastion

You make a very good point. The long term, Israel is surrounded by 2 billion Muslims, all 20 million Jews. There needs to be a lasting peace, and they know this.

A UN peacekeeping force in Gaza, while the criminals that attacked Israel are found, the gangsters running things and stealing aid are put out of business and the people can start becoming self reliant?

Would Palestine and the Muslim world agree to work with this?

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: kwaka
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

When Israel calls for a ceasefire, would they be supporting terrorists, just like everyone else calling for a ceasefire is being labeled?

They will finally be doing one act of self defense.

Might that self-defense entail something of the public image of Israel to the world, but also especially towards the Islamic countries completely surrounding them, maybe reducing the number of people traumatized by the conflict and therefore, reducing the number of guaranteed new terrorist recruits in those regions?

What are your opinions on how this can be achieved?

Personall I think Hamas need to be removed, two-state solution and possibly a UN style peacekeeping force put in place until Palestinians can elect a new government.

Al-Queda have a strong foot in North Egypt near the Gaza border and there's very high risk of Gaza falling further into a failed terrorist state/open air apartheid prison without a thoroughly detailed and implemented plan for after the current conflict.

I agree with everything you just said and I am open to all other methods that involve compassion for the civilians of Gaza who are able to survive this, compassion for the civilians of Israel, compassion for the non-violent civilians of the Mid-East, and also not make a mockery of truth and God's creation by equating the offering of ceasefires to terrorists with supporting terrorists.

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels


You've ignored the point.

After years of bombs and conflict,
it was a SEAL team that got him.


So, maybe they should've just done that to start with.

a reply to: TheValeyard

Do you think they weren't trying the whole time?

I think he actually died in a bunker and the Seal Team killed a look alike because Obama want to claim it

Taquiya.

Its not a tropical drink.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: TheValeyard

Do you think they weren't trying the whole time?

I think he actually died in a bunker and the Seal Team killed a look alike because Obama want to claim it

Taquiya.

Its not a tropical drink.

For your first sentence, I actually DO think that, just like I think Israel isn't actually trying to kill HAMAS leaders with the bombing.




EDIT: It's a show of force, meant to demoralize more than anything.

a reply to: TheValeyard

So who are they trying to kill?

They are targetting areas where the tunnel entrances are. They are going to have to fight their way in. So they are hardening the target before boots on the ground go in.

Hamas has decided where they want the battles to be.

originally posted by: TheValeyard

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: TheValeyard

Do you think they weren't trying the whole time?

I think he actually died in a bunker and the Seal Team killed a look alike because Obama want to claim it

Taquiya.

Its not a tropical drink.

For your first sentence, I actually DO think that, just like I think Israel isn't actually trying to kill HAMAS leaders with the bombing.

So then who are they trying to kill ?

Palestinian Civilians ?

You realize if Israel wanted they could flatten that entire city .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow


I think they know by now it's not ideal, but it's a show of force, and is meant to demoralize,
and keep them from organizing anything above ground or launching any more rockets.

Not saying they're trying to kill civilians. Calm down.
I'm saying they must be aware this may not be a viable long term strategy.

And I'm saying they should try to send in Spec Ops.
That's all.

originally posted by: TheValeyard
a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels


You've ignored the point.

After years of bombs and conflict,
it was a SEAL team that got him.


So, maybe they should've just done that to start with.

But Osama was found, and killed, in Pakistan, not Afghanistan or Iraq.


Bombing and killing in Afghanistan and Iraq accomplished nothing....in so far as "punishing" the mastermind behind the attack on 9/11.


It seems that Israel is "following the same script" in Gaza: bomb everything, create dispossed refugees by the thousands, incurr the wraith of millions......


All the while the true "mastermind(s)" of terror go on with their lives, likely in a completely different country.



Israel can easily see how that script produced a major "flop at the box office" for the US when it first "ran".


Why would Israel now be so eager to back a "remake"?



Unless......


Does anyone remember the the plot of "The Producers"?




"....Springtime for Hitler and Germany!...."

a reply to: Mantiss2021

I remember the title "Springtime for Hitler and Germany".