Senior State Department Official Resigns, saying Israel uses US Arms to Massacre Civilians

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

He maybe nobody according to you but still an ex Senior State Department Official who knows well what he is talking about.

Does he. What was his title, pay grade, and security clearance?

Or just some guy after a bit of attention?

No I don't think so.
He is good and he speaks sense.
Problem is the war machine wants the continuation of this war.

The problem is the Hamas “war machine” that uses human shields and will not stop.

Again. Israel has respect for Human rights. Israel is willing to evacuate their citizens and shelter them against Hamas rocket attacks.

Hamas tells their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, does nothing to evacuate them, and does nothing to shelter their own citizens.

Why should Israeli women and children be sacrificed in the face of the Hamas war machine set on using human shields, and with nothing but the target of Jews.

And why isn’t it ever reported how many Hamas soldiers die? It’s not glorious to die as a Muslim soldier? But yet they are never reported as killed. Hmm..

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

He maybe nobody according to you but still an ex Senior State Department Official who knows well what he is talking about.

Does he. What was his title, pay grade, and security clearance?

Or just some guy after a bit of attention?

No I don't think so.
He is good and he speaks sense.
Problem is the war machine wants the continuation of this war.

The problem is the Hamas “war machine” that uses human shields and will not stop.

Again. Israel has respect for Human rights. Israel is willing to evacuate their citizens and shelter them against Hamas rocket attacks.

Hamas tells their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, does nothing to evacuate them, and does nothing to shelter their own citizens.

Why should Israeli women and children be sacrificed in the face of the Hamas war machine set on using human shields, and with nothing but the target of Jews.

And why isn’t it ever reported how many Hamas soldiers die? It’s not glorious to die as a Muslim soldier? But yet they are never reported as killed. Hmm..

I see you started reading from the same script again.

Now try to come to terms with what this ex official said which is really important.

From the OP

1) it's an uncontroversial fact that US Arms should not be used to Massacre civilians and should not be used to result in massive civilian casualties. US Arms should not be used to kill civilians

2) There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end.

3) Tried to raise both these concerns with State Dpt. leadership but there was no appetite for discussion. People in the State Dpt. and in Government who have reached out to me to express their support and how horrific they find the US Policy and yet are being told when they try to raise these concerns, look you can get emotional support if you're finding this difficult we'll find you something else to work on but don't question the policy because it is coming from the top


Just address each point made.

Do you agree that arms as sold to foreign countries to slaughter civilians? Or are we watching a different movie?

Do you agree there can only be a political solution as there cannot be a military solution as history has proven so far.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

I see you started reading from the same script again.

Pointing out that Hamas is a terror threat to Jews? Bent on jihad. How do you stop the Hamas jihad?

Who have launched something like 30,000 rockets into Israel. Israel has shown restraint for years. Vs a terrorist state that uses human shields.

Don’t like facts do you.

Funny Hamas only has soldiers that are recognized when killing women and babies. But are magically nonexistent and never present when Israeli soldiers are around. I would call that cowedly.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Now try to come to terms with what this ex official said which is really important.

How is it important. It does nothing to address the Hamas terrorist state and does nothing to stop the Hamas war machine from terror attacks and hiding behind human shields. With Hamas doing everything to maximize the deaths of their own civilians.

originally posted by: Leviathan4


1) it's an uncontroversial fact that US Arms should not be used to Massacre civilians and should not be used to result in massive civilian casualties. US Arms should not be used to kill civilians

What part of the US constitution violates Israel defending itself against a terrorist state that uses human shields and takes no effort to evacuate and shield its citizens. It seems Hamas maximizes civilian deaths as for the sake of propaganda.

While you ignore the Hamas misfired rockets in the hundreds have landed in Gaza killing civilians.

And Hamas lied about a hospital and convey being hit by Israeli air strikes.

The problem is Hamas. Will you condemn Hamas and jihad?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
2) There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end.

There is a solution. Hamas stop using terror strikes, terror rocket attacks in the thousands, stop using human shields, and embrace freedom of religion. Abandon jihad.

Or totally destroy Hamas. If Hamas is going to target and kill civilians, why should it be Israeli women and children that are sacrificed. How do you think jihad works.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
3) Tried to raise both these concerns with State Dpt. leadership but there was no appetite for discussion.

Because there is no negotiating with Hamas. Hamas will kill Jewish civilians and use Human shields until they are destroyed. Or they purify the world to their one authoritarian religion.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
People in the State Dpt. and in Government who have reached out to me to express their support and how horrific they find the US Policy and yet are being told when they try to raise these concerns, look you can get emotional support if you're finding this difficult we'll find you something else to work on but don't question the policy because it is coming from the top

More horrific as a whole if Hamas reaches their goal of a one word authoritarian religion.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Just address each point made.

What point. Hamas is the worst humanity has to offer. And the threat of Hamas should have been delt with long ago.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Do you agree that arms as sold to foreign countries to slaughter civilians? Or are we watching a different movie?

Propaganda by you that in no way reflects that Israeli is defending itself against a terrorist state that does nothing to evacuate and shelter its citizens when its military assets shielded with humans are attacked.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Do you agree there can only be a political solution as there cannot be a military solution as history has proven so far.

There can be no political solution while a terrorist state set on jihad still exists. That is reality.

a reply to: Lazy88

You said:

There can be no political solution while a terrorist state set on jihad still exists. That is reality

Really?! From a terrorist organisation you went to terrorist state?

You don't seem to have taken into account what someone who is much more experienced and knowledgeable from you said:

There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end

Which of the two paragraphs do you think has more weight and can you remind me what happened after the war on terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. Are these countries now free from the terrorists after so much intervention and 'injection' of democracy in their societies.

What happened to the military solutions? Did they achieve to major things safe and secure? Or as the guy said it's just a...dead end! Who is in charge in Afghanistan? Maybe the Taliban?





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a reply to: Lazy88

Because there is no negotiating with Hamas. Hamas will kill Jewish civilians and use Human shields until they are destroyed. Or they purify the world to their one authoritarian religion.

Yep, fact. This mentality is not confined to hamas it is also overwhelming believed by Palestinians. They don’t want Israel to exist. They’ve been so brainwashed that there is no rationalizing with them, they don’t want to even consider peace with Israel. So…. What should Israel do? Allow themselves to once again be exterminated?

This is the last straw! I can not support Joe Biden and the Democrats in the 2024 elections if they are so brazenly going to propagate war against brown people.

I thought we were making real progress with movements like BLM and that the Democrat party was an ally. We all saw them take a knee.

But it was all for show. The minute they had a real chance to show us what side of history they are really on, they ... well did and it's the wrong side.

I realize the Republicans aren't any better... and they are likly worse. But sometimes you need to use your vote to send a message. Its time the US sends the Democrat party a message; they can no longer say all the right things and think we are just going to give them a pass. They need to learn our votes cost real action, not just words.

I will not vote for a single Democrat again until there is a two state solution in Palestinian ... or at least until, as a party, they stop helping to kill innocent civilians.

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Really?! From a terrorist organisation you went to terrorist state?

What would you call Hamas the ruling party of Gaza? Other than a terrorist state?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end

You’re trying to deflect.

Do you condemn Hamas the controlling party of Gaza for turning Gaza into a terrorist state.

Do you condemn Hamas and its jihad.

Do you Condemn Hamas using human shields, doing nothing to evacuate its citizens and not shielding them when Israel gives fair warning.

What political solution can there be when Hamas has broken past political agreements.

What political solution can be kept when Hamas the ruling party of Gaza has broken political agreements to purse the deaths of Israeli citizens in the pursuit of jihad.

Israel now being bombed by Iranian backed Hezabollah. Israel is being bombed in every direction, exterminate the Jews is their objective.

a reply to: Dandandat3

I will not vote for a single Democrat again until there is a two state solution in Palestinian .

I don’t think that’s ever going to happen.

a reply to: Dandandat3

This is the last straw! I can not support Joe Biden and the Democrats in the 2024 elections if they are so brazenly going to propagate war against brown people. I thought we were making real progress with movements like BLM and that the Democrat party was an ally. We all saw them take a knee.

Seriously? You saw blm as progress while they burnt down communities and businesses and ruined people’s life’s? And you’re making this war out to be about race? 🙄WTF

a reply to: Leviathan4

since when is a mid level manger who is told what to do by who knows how many above him a sr offical. the story says in charge of shipping transferring weapons, not making the decisions on what's being shipped.

doesn't sound like a sr. official to me, just sounds like a shipping department head.

originally posted by: NeonKnights
a reply to: Dandandat3

This is the last straw! I can not support Joe Biden and the Democrats in the 2024 elections if they are so brazenly going to propagate war against brown people. I thought we were making real progress with movements like BLM and that the Democrat party was an ally. We all saw them take a knee.

Seriously? You saw blm as progress while they burnt down communities and businesses and ruined people’s life’s? And you’re making this war out to be about race? 🙄WTF

You can't oppress whole groups of people; keep them down and poor for decade after decade after decade and not expect them to lash out violently. It's inevitable ...

That doesn't make the BLM violence right, but it's understandable and to be expected. And as bad as the BLM violence might have been, the decades of oppression is far worse.

The progress wasn't that BLM was violent; but that the Democrat party appeared to be putting their history of oppressing minorities behind them. That the Democrat party and the Biden administration was moving forward in partnership with minority communities so that the violence would not need to be repeated, and repeated and repeated.

But as has been made clear by this OP the Democrats have not put their past behind them. That when it maters, when its not just words, they fall into their old habits. Putting their own personal welth and power ahead of the oppressed of the world. They are not just wrong ... they are using the ideals they profess to uphold as a tool against the very people they are pretending to represent.

originally posted by: Dandandat3

originally posted by: NeonKnights
a reply to: Dandandat3

This is the last straw! I can not support Joe Biden and the Democrats in the 2024 elections if they are so brazenly going to propagate war against brown people. I thought we were making real progress with movements like BLM and that the Democrat party was an ally. We all saw them take a knee.

Seriously? You saw blm as progress while they burnt down communities and businesses and ruined people’s life’s? And you’re making this war out to be about race? 🙄WTF

You can't oppress whole groups of people; keep them down and poor for decade after decade after decade and not expect them to lash out violently. It's inevitable ...

That doesn't make the BLM violence right, but it's understandable and to be expected. And as bad as the BLM violence might have been, the decades of oppression is far worse.

The progress wasn't that BLM was violent; but that the Democrat party appeared to be putting their history of oppressing minorities behind them. That the Democrat party and the Biden administration was moving forward in partnership with minority communities so that the violence would not need to be repeated, and repeated and repeated.

But as has been made clear by this OP the Democrats have not put their past behind them. That when it maters, when its not just words, they fall into their old habits. Putting their own personal welth and power ahead of the oppressed of the world. They are not just wrong ... they are using the ideals they profess to uphold as a tool against the very people they are pretending to represent.

BS you wouldn’t believe how many black people I know that have done much better than me. They pulled up their pants and were extremely successful. I have a good friend that has a Bugatti, 2 Ferrari’s, a Range Rover and a maybach Mercedes and a house on the hill. My gawd how did they do it????

a reply to: Leviathan4

I see you started reading from the same script again.

There’s some irony🤣

originally posted by: NeonKnights
a reply to: Leviathan4

I see you started reading from the same script again.

There’s some irony🤣

Not at all.
We have seen the same attempts again and again over a number of threads.

a reply to: NeonKnights

The "I have a black friend" trope?

Who doesn't?

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Leviathan4

since when is a mid level manger who is told what to do by who knows how many above him a sr offical. the story says in charge of shipping transferring weapons, not making the decisions on what's being shipped.

doesn't sound like a sr. official to me, just sounds like a shipping department head.

Maybe it doesn't look like he is something more than a 'manager' as you said but he made some very legitimate points for which nobody can give an answer other than following the policy that comes from the top. It comes down to blind obedience which isn't necessarily what we expect from State Department and Government Officials in a Democracy.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Really?! From a terrorist organisation you went to terrorist state?

What would you call Hamas the ruling party of Gaza? Other than a terrorist state?

originally posted by: Leviathan4

There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end

You’re trying to deflect.

Do you condemn Hamas the controlling party of Gaza for turning Gaza into a terrorist state.

Do you condemn Hamas and its jihad.

Do you Condemn Hamas using human shields, doing nothing to evacuate its citizens and not shielding them when Israel gives fair warning.

What political solution can there be when Hamas has broken past political agreements.

What political solution can be kept when Hamas the ruling party of Gaza has broken political agreements to purse the deaths of Israeli citizens in the pursuit of jihad.

Yes I condemn Hamas for whatever crimes they have committed so far.

But again you don't seem to have taken into account what someone who is much more experienced and knowledgeable from you said:

There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end

Remember this is what you said

There can be no political solution while a terrorist state set on jihad still exists. That is reality

So for once more...which of the two paragraphs do you think has more weight and can you remind me what happened after the war on terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. Are these countries now free from the terrorists after so much intervention and 'injection' of democracy in their societies.

What happened to the military solutions? Did they achieve to major things safe and secure? Or as the guy said it's just a...dead end! Who is in charge in Afghanistan? Maybe the Taliban?

As you can see there hasn't been a military solution to these issues. What makes you think there would be one now. What kind of evidence is out there?

a reply to: Leviathan4

hey power to him i've quit jobs for not agreeing with what the bosses wanted me to do. but there's no reason to lie about your position or articles lying saying your sr. official when your nothing but a mid level shipping manger that really doesn't have a say in policy or what gets done other than making sure what your told to ship gets shipped.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato
a reply to: Leviathan4

hey power to him i've quit jobs for not agreeing with what the bosses wanted me to do. but there's no reason to lie about your position or articles lying saying your sr. official when your nothing but a mid level shipping manger that really doesn't have a say in policy or what gets done other than making sure what your told to ship gets shipped.

No. The link I gave said a senior state department official and not how you will describe him. What he said is sound and reflects the reality of war and conflicts.

1)it's an uncontroversial fact that US Arms should not be used to Massacre civilians and should not be used to result in massive civilian casualties. US Arms should not be used to kill civilians

2) There is no military solution here and we are providing arms to Israel on a path that has not led to peace, has not led to security, neither for Palestinians nor for Israelis. It is a dead end.

3) Tried to raise both these concerns with State Dpt. leadership but there was no appetite for discussion. People in the State Dpt. and in Government who have reached out to me to express their support and how horrific they find the US Policy and yet are being told when they try to raise these concerns, look you can get emotional support if you're finding this difficult we'll find you something else to work on but don't question the policy because it is coming from the top

And yes there can be no military solution to this problem just as there hasn't been a military solution for Iraq and Afghanistan.

And yes the US cannot sell arms to countries that slaughter civilians.