Senior State Department Official Resigns, saying Israel uses US Arms to Massacre Civilians

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I suggest you google the Geneva Convention, then. It is a war crime for an army to dress as civilians.

Declaring HAMAS a gang not a military is very convenient, isn't it?

IDF wear uniforms.

Nuff said.

Does the Geneva Protocol allow for the victim side, in this case, Israel, to engage in any other war crime they please as a result of the war crimes of HAMAS?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Give it up, man.

Debunked.

Derailing, again?

It's not derailing anything to disagree with your views. Get real, man.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"The argument is every civilian uniform is a target. This sounds very war-crime-y and massacre-y and genocide-y to me, and to many other state officials in the world."

Not my argument.

Hamas not wearing uniforms and mingling with civilians is, a war crime.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Al Jazeera?!

Yes, very good reporting the other side of the coin. Are you saying their pictures aren't real? If so prove it.

No, I'm not.

The spin in their commentary is, however, very biased.

Obviously.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

The civilians trapped in the city are the very reason to offer ceasefire and stop the massacre of more civilians?

Do you not believe enough civilians have been massacred and beyond?

Do you have any evidence that any of those civilians are innocent?

They wouldn't be civilians if they weren't innocent.

Do you have evidence that there are critically minimal innocent civilians, so we can put this whole "is it a massacre?" question to rest, once and for all.

I would be terribly relieved to learn that Israel is not massacring Palestinian civilians just to get at HAMAS, with the financial and material support of my home country.

False! If they support Hamas they are not innocent.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: quintessentone

53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.

coopwb.in...

A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.

www.pcpsr.org...

At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.

Propaganda.

Yes, you are trying hard to push it.
Prove it!

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Not according to Hamas, they're not:

www.bbc.co.uk...

"The Hamas-run housing ministry has estimated that about 45% of all the housing units in the territory have been either completely destroyed, rendered uninhabitable or damaged."

I wonder, who built the housing and all those buildings?

I wonder what that has anything to do with the total war waged against the Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas is not just being targeted.

So you mean, since Israel knocked down the buildings, they get to smash them like it's their lego creations and they can do whatever they want?

Because it goes against what you all are saying, that Isreal is the "occupier".

Israel built Gaza. They GAVE it to the homeless Palestinians, who still continued to lob bombs at Isreal.

Why would Isreal want to level their own buildings?

Rothschild, and etc., bought that land from Egyptian landowners. Then, turned around and sold lots, at low interest rates, to Jewish people. The homeless were still homeless, but it's not Israel that made them "homeless" (aka "gypsies"). It was the landowners that sold land the Palestinians were squatting on.

Its like if the immigrants in NYC started lobbing bombs into Manhattan.

Would you side with the immigrants?

Oh, and Israel didn't "help" build those buildings. They built them and lived in them, until the Israeli government yanked them out of their own homes and forced them to give up their neighborhoods for the homeless Palestinians.

Isreal gave them Gaza, in a 2-state UN agreement.

Palestinians voted in Hamas, immediately!

Thank you for clarifying what you meant.

Israel isn't leveling it's own buildings.

But you seem to be using that assumption and taking it forward that Israel built those buildings inhabited by Palestinians and can just bomb them all to rubble if they want to because they built it and gave it to Palestinians and they have a right to bomb them...the buildings, not the civilians, right?

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

The civilians trapped in the city are the very reason to offer ceasefire and stop the massacre of more civilians?

Do you not believe enough civilians have been massacred and beyond?

Do you have any evidence that any of those civilians are innocent?

They wouldn't be civilians if they weren't innocent.

Do you have evidence that there are critically minimal innocent civilians, so we can put this whole "is it a massacre?" question to rest, once and for all.

I would be terribly relieved to learn that Israel is not massacring Palestinian civilians just to get at HAMAS, with the financial and material support of my home country.

False! If they support Hamas they are not innocent.

Do you know for a fact that all the civilians trapped within the city throughout the continued bombardment are all fully-fledged HAMAS supporters?

Or do only the innocent civilians who managed somehow to survive in the end get to be innocent?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

As far as I can see, Israel hasnt. You need to actually look it up instead of listen to your green or purple haired friends.

www.law.cornell.edu...

I looked thru this list and each time a civilian or a civilian property is mentioned, it is with the words, intentional.

As far as I can tell, the reason the front line, hospital and civilian property is because Hamas knew that attacking them there could cause a fuss (as we see) about Israel committing war crimes. So, really if you are being honest, you know this is not intentional on the part of Israel. It is strategic on the part of the enemy.

So I don't see any war crimes on this list.

Please make your case if you see differently.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

So, are all the dead innocent civilians?

None terrorists?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"The argument is every civilian uniform is a target. This sounds very war-crime-y and massacre-y and genocide-y to me, and to many other state officials in the world."

Not my argument.

Hamas not wearing uniforms and mingling with civilians is, a war crime.

HAMAS and Israel are both targeting civilians.

Are you willing to admit that Israel is targeting civilians as well as HAMAS, since HAMAS is wearing civilian clothing?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

So, are all the dead innocent civilians?

None terrorists?

Is this thread about dead terrorists?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

No, that's yet another straw man.

And a logical fallacy, too.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"The argument is every civilian uniform is a target. This sounds very war-crime-y and massacre-y and genocide-y to me, and to many other state officials in the world."

Not my argument.

Hamas not wearing uniforms and mingling with civilians is, a war crime.

HAMAS and Israel are both targeting civilians.

Are you willing to admit that Israel is targeting civilians as well as HAMAS, since HAMAS is wearing civilian clothing?

Israel is targeting Hamas. Hamas is deliberately targeting civilians.

Why doesn't Hamas attack an Isreal military base? Why a music festival?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"Is this thread about dead terrorists?"

Perhaps it should be?

a reply to: SourGrapes

Cowards, plain and simple

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: quintessentone

53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.

coopwb.in...

A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.

www.pcpsr.org...

At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.

Propaganda.

Yes, you are trying hard to push it.
Prove it!

Go back to the thread you took that member's post for a full understanding of why what you did is propaganda.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Al Jazeera?!

Yes, very good reporting the other side of the coin. Are you saying their pictures aren't real? If so prove it.

No, I'm not.

The spin in their commentary is, however, very biased.

Obviously.

Are the satellite pictures of bombed Gaza biased?

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"The argument is every civilian uniform is a target. This sounds very war-crime-y and massacre-y and genocide-y to me, and to many other state officials in the world."

Not my argument.

Hamas not wearing uniforms and mingling with civilians is, a war crime.

HAMAS and Israel are both targeting civilians.

Are you willing to admit that Israel is targeting civilians as well as HAMAS, since HAMAS is wearing civilian clothing?

Israel is targeting Hamas. Hamas is deliberately targeting civilians.

Why doesn't Hamas attack an Isreal military base? Why a music festival?

Israel is targeting civilians, destroying a city, just to get at HAMAS.

Why doesn't Israel target the terror kings in Qartar and Damascus instead of massacring the civilian Palestinians in Gaza?

a reply to: quintessentone

Nope.

The commentary and spin, is.

Like I already told you.

Perhaps you missed that?