Senior State Department Official Resigns, saying Israel uses US Arms to Massacre Civilians

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: SourGrapes

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Not according to Hamas, they're not:

www.bbc.co.uk...

"The Hamas-run housing ministry has estimated that about 45% of all the housing units in the territory have been either completely destroyed, rendered uninhabitable or damaged."

I wonder, who built the housing and all those buildings?

I wonder what that has anything to do with the total war waged against the Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas is not just being targeted.

So you mean, since Israel knocked down the buildings, they get to smash them like it's their lego creations and they can do whatever they want?

Because it goes against what you all are saying, that Isreal is the "occupier".

Israel built Gaza. They GAVE it to the homeless Palestinians, who still continued to lob bombs at Isreal.

Why would Isreal want to level their own buildings?

Rothschild, and etc., bought that land from Egyptian landowners. Then, turned around and sold lots, at low interest rates, to Jewish people. The homeless were still homeless, but it's not Israel that made them "homeless" (aka "gypsies"). It was the landowners that sold land the Palestinians were squatting on.

Its like if the immigrants in NYC started lobbing bombs into Manhattan.

Would you side with the immigrants?

Oh, and Israel didn't "help" build those buildings. They built them and lived in them, until the Israeli government yanked them out of their own homes and forced them to give up their neighborhoods for the homeless Palestinians.

Isreal gave them Gaza, in a 2-state UN agreement.

Palestinians voted in Hamas, immediately!

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I see that your goalposts are also highly mobile.

Goal post is still in the same place. The city was the target. Not just the terrorists.

Massacre is too gentle a term.

What "city"?

Al Karama is a neighborhood.

a reply to: quintessentone

You and another poster claimed "carpet bombing"

It isn't.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

To the question of: Palestine and Hamas are not the same.

I wonder if you take all the able bodied men in Palestine between the ages of 15 and 55, you will not be able to tell who is Hamas and who isnt.

And of those that are not, are their friends or cousins connected or other family ties?

Its really too bad that these men consider the women and children canon fodder. This is on THEM.

Otherwise, if Hamas is a little old minority force in Palestine, why dont the non-Hamas MEN put a stop to them????

Don't fall for this mistruth in labelling going on.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: quintessentone

53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.

coopwb.in...

A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.

www.pcpsr.org...

At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

The civilians trapped in the city are the very reason to offer ceasefire and stop the massacre of more civilians?

Do you not believe enough civilians have been massacred and beyond?

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

To the question of: Palestine and Hamas are not the same.

I wonder if you take all the able bodied men in Palestine between the ages of 15 and 55, you will not be able to tell who is Hamas and who isnt.

And of those that are not, are their friends or cousins connected or other family ties?

Its really too bad that these men consider the women and children canon fodder. This is on THEM.

Otherwise, if Hamas is a little old minority force in Palestine, why dont the non-Hamas MEN put a stop to them????

Don't fall for this mistruth in labelling going on.

So since HAMAS wears the same civilian uniforms as Palestinians, Israel has no choice but to murder every person in a civilian uniform until the fighting stops?

That sounds beyond massacre to me, and I am glad there are state officials speaking out about such atrocities.

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

The civilians trapped in the city are the very reason to offer ceasefire and stop the massacre of more civilians?

Do you not believe enough civilians have been massacred and beyond?

Do you have any evidence that any of those civilians are innocent?

a reply to: quintessentone

Al Jazeera?!

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"So since HAMAS wears the same civilian uniforms as Palestinians, Israel has no choice but to murder every person in a civilian uniform until the fighting stops?"

Straw man.

What are "civilian uniforms"?

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: BiothermalReactor

originally posted by: MoreCoyoteAngels
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

You are twisting words. Playing games again. Acting the fool.

You know that I did NOT say any such thing.

You obviously support a double standard. You wont admit that. Palestine follows nothing in the convention, but YOUR opinion is swayed by your perception that Israel is not following the conventions.

I believe they are. They've even provided warning for cilivilians to be able to flea. Who prevented them from leaving?

No way around that and I hope THAT is plain enough for you.

The civilians trapped in the city are the very reason to offer ceasefire and stop the massacre of more civilians?

Do you not believe enough civilians have been massacred and beyond?

Do you have any evidence that any of those civilians are innocent?

They wouldn't be civilians if they weren't innocent.

Do you have evidence that there are critically minimal innocent civilians, so we can put this whole "is it a massacre?" question to rest, once and for all.

I would be terribly relieved to learn that Israel is not massacring Palestinian civilians just to get at HAMAS, with the financial and material support of my home country.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Why do you have an expectation that Israel must love Palestinian children more they do their own, and more than these Palestininan men do?

Im just baffled.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

You and another poster claimed "carpet bombing"

It isn't.

I looked at three examples of carpet bombing and it sure looks like carpet bombing.

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

I suggest you google the Geneva Convention, then. It is a war crime for an army to dress as civilians.

Declaring HAMAS a gang not a military is very convenient, isn't it?

IDF wear uniforms.

Nuff said.

originally posted by: SomeStupidName

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: quintessentone

53% in polling show support for Hamas, mostly in Gaza.

coopwb.in...

A more local accurate statistical analysis shows 44% over all support Hamas in both Gaza and the West Bank.

www.pcpsr.org...

At the end of the day there is a huge support among the Palestinian population, and course neighboring nations for Hamas.

Propaganda.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: quintessentone

Al Jazeera?!

Yes, very good reporting the other side of the coin. Are you saying their pictures aren't real? If so prove it.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: BiothermalReactor

"So since HAMAS wears the same civilian uniforms as Palestinians, Israel has no choice but to murder every person in a civilian uniform until the fighting stops?"

Straw man.

What are "civilian uniforms"?

Civilian uniforms[I can't believe I'm answering this question lol] are any article of clothing any innocent civilian would choose to wear on any particular day of their civilian lives, carrying out civilian duties. In short, not a military uniform.

The argument is every civilian uniform is a target. This sounds very war-crime-y and massacre-y and genocide-y to me, and to many other state officials in the world.

a reply to: quintessentone

Give it up, man.

Debunked.

Derailing, again?

a reply to: BiothermalReactor

Wouldn't that just be regular clothing........