Senior State Department Official Resigns, saying Israel uses US Arms to Massacre Civilians

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: WeMustCare
We've been selling and giving arms to Israel for 30 years.

Nothing more until Benjamin Netanyahu comes to his senses.

And ICC for the war crimes committed by the regime in Israel.

Again. Hamas uses human shields. This is on Hamas not Israel.

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

It is a valid argument. Why should Israel put themselves in a position where terror attacks and terror rocket attacks start again. Its happened time and time again. Israel is going after the military elements of Hamas. Israel gives warning. It’s on Hamas they use human shields, tell citizens of Gaza not to evacuate, do nothing to evacuate civilians they are using as shields, and Hamas does nothing to shelter their citizens. They maximize civilian casualties, this is on Hamas.

Let me repeat this again

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

They have been already recorded by a range of Human Rights Lawyers, the UN, and Amnesty International.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: WeMustCare
We've been selling and giving arms to Israel for 30 years.

Nothing more until Benjamin Netanyahu comes to his senses.

And ICC for the war crimes committed by the regime in Israel.

Again. Hamas uses human shields. This is on Hamas not Israel.

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

It is a valid argument. Why should Israel put themselves in a position where terror attacks and terror rocket attacks start again. Its happened time and time again. Israel is going after the military elements of Hamas. Israel gives warning. It’s on Hamas they use human shields, tell citizens of Gaza not to evacuate, do nothing to evacuate civilians they are using as shields, and Hamas does nothing to shelter their citizens. They maximize civilian casualties, this is on Hamas.

Let me repeat this again

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

They have been already recorded by a range of Human Rights Lawyers, the UN, and Amnesty International.

Again. Israel is allowed to go after Hamas militants. How is it Israel’s fault that Hamas uses human shields, Hamas tells their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, Hamas will not evacuate their citizens, and does nothing to shelter them. Hamas lies and maximizes their civilians casualties.

This is on Hamas. If Israel lets up, it will be their civilians sacrificing and dying.

The difference in how Israel protects its citizens only highlights how Hamas uses their citizens as human shields.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Hamas uses human shields to hamstring Israel exactly the way you want Israel to be hamstrung.

But the way.

You ever condemn Hamas for its jihad.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
You can't live with Israel defending itself ... then leave. So he did. WHATEVER.

I have no problem with Israel defending itself... but that is not what is going on. They are using billions of dollars in the form of cash and arms from the American taxpayer to wage a war.

Anyone who cannot understand the difference is... WHATEVER.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: WeMustCare
We've been selling and giving arms to Israel for 30 years.

Nothing more until Benjamin Netanyahu comes to his senses.

And ICC for the war crimes committed by the regime in Israel.

Again. Hamas uses human shields. This is on Hamas not Israel.

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

It is a valid argument. Why should Israel put themselves in a position where terror attacks and terror rocket attacks start again. Its happened time and time again. Israel is going after the military elements of Hamas. Israel gives warning. It’s on Hamas they use human shields, tell citizens of Gaza not to evacuate, do nothing to evacuate civilians they are using as shields, and Hamas does nothing to shelter their citizens. They maximize civilian casualties, this is on Hamas.

Let me repeat this again

We have heard this many times before. It's not a valid argument for not charging Israel with war crimes that have already been recorded. I don't think this defence will be particularly successful.

They have been already recorded by a range of Human Rights Lawyers, the UN, and Amnesty International.

Again. Israel is allowed to go after Hamas militants. How is it Israel’s fault that Hamas uses human shields, Hamas tells their citizens to ignore Israeli warnings, Hamas will not evacuate their citizens, and does nothing to shelter them. Hamas lies and maximizes their civilians casualties.

This is on Hamas. If Israel lets up, it will be their civilians sacrificing and dying.

The difference in how Israel protects its citizens only highlights how Hamas uses their citizens as human shields.

Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes. There is a huge difference between reality and the narrative you present.

Senior State Department Official says precisely the same thing. Israel uses our weapons to massacre civilians. The only people who can't or don't want to see the truth are those who unequivocally support Israel. Those who don't I.e the vast majority, think otherwise.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: FlyersFan
You can't live with Israel defending itself ... then leave. So he did. WHATEVER.

I have no problem with Israel defending itself... but that is not what is going on. They are using billions of dollars in the form of cash and arms from the American taxpayer to wage a war.

Anyone who cannot understand the difference is... WHATEVER.

Very much agree

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

Hamas uses human shields to hamstring Israel exactly the way you want Israel to be hamstrung.

But the way.

You ever condemn Hamas for its jihad.

Answering your question: yes
Adding: I am not an Arab or a Jew

I will call out whatever I think is wrong and immoral or criminal. The actions by Israel are all that. Israel is losing support and sympathy because they have killed thousands of innocent civilians. This is a fact.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: Leviathan4

Hamas uses human shields to hamstring Israel exactly the way you want Israel to be hamstrung.

But the way.

You ever condemn Hamas for its jihad.

Answering your question: yes
Adding: I am not an Arab or a Jew

I will call out whatever I think is wrong and immoral or criminal. The actions by Israel are all that. Israel is losing support and sympathy because they have killed thousands of innocent civilians. This is a fact.

You don't find it odd that not even 1 casualty has been listed as a hamas militant? Latest incursions the Isralis are starting to use ground troops and people are attacking them are we supposed to believe these are not Hamas fighters?

Reality is in combat people die you want to stop this then you have to stop the war. Since seems to me neither side wants that we are going to vontinuw to have civilian deaths mount.

Israel's should remain low because the Israelis took precautions to save civilians for example iron dome and providing bunkers for civilians to go to. Hamas has not provided anything for their people and yet instigated an attack knowing Palestinians would die. Instead of spending money building rockets and underground basses why hasn't Hamas built shelters for civilian population Israel did.

Do you want to know why they haven't? They want the death tolls to be high. This is why they tell there people to ignore Israeli warnings like when they will call to buildings in an area about to be hit. It is in Hamas best interests to have a high civilian death count. Because this makes it harder for the IDF to dismantle them.

Bottom line Israelis have the right to defend their people from attacks. I'd argue the same argument if any neighbor of any country crossed the border killed citizens and continues to fire rockets at civilians. Until hamas lays down their weapons and stops attacking Israelis there will be a very high death toll in Gaza. Any military is willing to have a certain amount of civilians deaths to achieve military goals. What I find funny is no one is claiming hamas is hurting civilians thunk about it every rocket they fire is meant to kill civilians. Yet I have heard no one calling for them to stop immediately.

So that must not truly be the issue.

originally posted by: Leviathan4

Israel is losing support and sympathy because they have killed thousands of innocent civilians. This is a fact.

Does it seem to you (as it does, increasingly, to me) that this is exactly the intention:

Israel is (being made) to lose support and sympathy in the world community?



"Whomsoever the Gods would Destroy, they First make a Pariah"



But who is/are the "Gods"?

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes.

Sigh. Again. Israel is going after Hamas military assets and soldiers. The deaths of citizens is on Hamas using human shields.

As pointed out. It’s odd there are no reported deaths of Hamas soldiers.

I think your screaming louder as the Israel ground war shows the Israelis have no interest in “genocide”, just the military and soldiers of Hamas. And many of the tunnels used by Hamas use things like hospitals as entrances and staging areas.

Hamas maximizes their civilians deaths so people like you cry to hamstring Israel’s response.

The real question is why do you want to hamstring Israel that offers their citizens rights and protection. Like Israel’s Supreme Court in 2002? Ruled it was illegal to use human shields.

And give a pass on Hamas whose primary targets are civilians. Where a Gaza rocket misfired took out a hospital parking lot where Hamas lied it was an Israeli air strike taking out a hospital. Then Hamas inflated the number of the dead from their mess up. Then Hamas booby traps took out a convey leaving Gaza. Again, Hamas lied and blamed the deaths on an Israeli air strike. And Hamas does maximize their civilian deaths by using human shields so people like you cry to hamstring the Israelis.

Your falling for Hamas lies, propaganda, and their use of human shields to get what Hamas wants. To hamstring Israel so Hamas can continue its jihad and killing Jews.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes.

Sigh. Again. Israel is going after Hamas military assets and soldiers. The deaths of citizens is on Hamas using human shields.

As pointed out. It’s odd there are no reported deaths of Hamas soldiers.

I think your screaming louder as the Israel ground war shows the Israelis have no interest in “genocide”, just the military and soldiers of Hamas. And many of the tunnels used by Hamas use things like hospitals as entrances and staging areas.

Hamas maximizes their civilians deaths so people like you cry to hamstring Israel’s response.

The real question is why do you want to hamstring Israel that offers their citizens rights and protection. Like Israel’s Supreme Court in 2002? Ruled it was illegal to use human shields.

And give a pass on Hamas whose primary targets are civilians. Where a Gaza rocket misfired took out a hospital parking lot where Hamas lied it was an Israeli air strike taking out a hospital. Then Hamas inflated the number of the dead from their mess up. Then Hamas booby traps took out a convey leaving Gaza. Again, Hamas lied and blamed the deaths on an Israeli air strike. And Hamas does maximize their civilian deaths by using human shields so people like you cry to hamstring the Israelis.

Your falling for Hamas lies, propaganda, and their use of human shields to get what Hamas wants. To hamstring Israel so Hamas can continue its jihad and killing Jews.

As said above

Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes. There is a huge difference between reality and the narrative you present.

Senior State Department Official says precisely the same thing. Israel uses our weapons to massacre civilians. The only people who can't or don't want to see the truth are those who unequivocally support Israel. Those who don't I.e the vast majority, think otherwise.

Everyone here can see who promotes propaganda. First you need to come into terms with bombing campaign and then with what this senior state department official said about the massacre of civilians. He knows something more than you do. Do you think he is lying and is falling for Hamas lies?

originally posted by: Leviathan4



Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes.

And again. Your wrong. Israel is going after Hamas military targets shielded illegally with human shields.

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

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“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” Hagari said.

An interviewer recently posed a logical question to Mousa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of the Hamas politburo: “Since you have built 500 kilometers of tunnels, why haven’t you built bomb shelters where civilians can hide during bombardments?”

Abu Marzouk said the tunnels are “meant to protect us” from Israeli aircraft and facilitate attacks on Israeli targets.

“Us” meaning Hamas. Not civilians.

Hamas chooses not to build bomb shelters in Gaza because that would undercut its ability to use the population as human shields.

www.fdd.org...

Is it false radar data shows the Hamas rocket terror attack originate from residential areas and areas of public infrastructure prohibited by international law as bases for such attacks?

a reply to: quintessentone

Is YOUR comprehension soft?

If there isn't a military solution (well, there is.... Israel could obliterate them)... why would it be off topic to discuss the non-military solutions.


I find it very revealing that nobody seems to be able to forward a single non-military solution AT ALL.

So may the strongest or most determined or most willing to defend themselves, survive.

a reply to: Lazy88

I dont think the pro-terrorists here are falling for anything at all. They are ISSUING it.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4



Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes.

And again. Your wrong. Israel is going after Hamas military targets shielded illegally with human shields.

Chilling footage shows Hamas operating out of 2 Gaza hospitals, says Israel — as troops prepare to invade area

nypost.com...< br />

“If it weren’t enough that we exposed a tunnel under the hospital, the terrorists also shot at our soldiers from within the hospital,” Hagari said.

An interviewer recently posed a logical question to Mousa Abu Marzouk, a senior member of the Hamas politburo: “Since you have built 500 kilometers of tunnels, why haven’t you built bomb shelters where civilians can hide during bombardments?”

Abu Marzouk said the tunnels are “meant to protect us” from Israeli aircraft and facilitate attacks on Israeli targets.

“Us” meaning Hamas. Not civilians.

Hamas chooses not to build bomb shelters in Gaza because that would undercut its ability to use the population as human shields.

www.fdd.org...

Is it false radar data shows the Hamas rocket terror attack originate from residential areas and areas of public infrastructure prohibited by international law as bases for such attacks?

Naaah we all know by now what is happening in Gaza. The number of dead civilians reflects the reality of the situation. Nobody believes what you're saying here in the absence of any evidence.

As I said earlier Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes. There is a huge difference between reality and the narrative you present.

The State Department Official says it clearly: We cannot arm foreign countries that choose to massacre civilians.

Key word: massacre

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Naaah we all know by now what is happening in Gaza. The number of dead civilians reflects the reality of the situation. Nobody believes what you're saying here in the absence of any evidence.

As I said earlier Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes. There is a huge difference between reality and the narrative you present.

The State Department Official says it clearly: We cannot arm foreign countries that choose to massacre civilians.

Key word: massacre

Sorry.

You didn’t address what was asked. You changed the subject.

Is it false radar data shows the Hamas rocket terror attack originate from residential areas and areas of public infrastructure prohibited by international law as bases for such attacks?

a reply to: Lazy88

Where is the condenmnation of Tehran arming Hamas terrorists to massacre civilians?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4


Naaah we all know by now what is happening in Gaza. The number of dead civilians reflects the reality of the situation. Nobody believes what you're saying here in the absence of any evidence.

As I said earlier Israel is not just going after Hamas but is killing indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians and is committing war crimes. There is a huge difference between reality and the narrative you present.

The State Department Official says it clearly: We cannot arm foreign countries that choose to massacre civilians.

Key word: massacre

Sorry.

You didn’t address what was asked. You changed the subject.

Is it false radar data shows the Hamas rocket terror attack originate from residential areas and areas of public infrastructure prohibited by international law as bases for such attacks?

You may want to have a different conversation and I understand this but take a look at the topic of this thread and my conversations that are consistent with this topic. I try my best given the various off topic remarks.

Key word: massacre

And as I said earlier the State Department Official was right to get our of there because he can't agree with US Policy on the matter of massacre of innocent civilians. Others are feeling the same but they are reluctant to resign given that it takes years to create a career and a good income.

a reply to: Leviathan4


I'm curious how you think Israel should stop rocket attacks that are attempting to kill their citizens? Mind you Hamas always targets civilians and not military targets.

Or do you expect them to allow rocket launchers remain and continue to accept the fact they are trying to kill Israelis and they need to stay sheltered forever. When a launcher is destroyed this means less rockets can be fired. Eventually you hit the point like before where hamas lost all its launchers and runs out of missiles. Then they will miraculously want to talk peace. So they once again can rebuild the rocket force and attack again.

If I were an Israeli I'd say this pattern is simply unacceptable. The last attack were Hamas beheaded babies means Israel goal has changed they now want to destroy anyone associated with hamas. If Gazans don't want to die they need to stay away from Hamas and stop supporting them

This attack changed the status quo used to be acceptable to simply stop the attacks. Now it's about killing Hamas this of course is going to lead to many more civilian deaths unless Hamass surrenders.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Leviathan4


I'm curious how you think Israel should stop rocket attacks that are attempting to kill their citizens? Mind you Hamas always targets civilians and not military targets.

Or do you expect them to allow rocket launchers remain and continue to accept the fact they are trying to kill Israelis and they need to stay sheltered forever. When a launcher is destroyed this means less rockets can be fired. Eventually you hit the point like before where hamas lost all its launchers and runs out of missiles. Then they will miraculously want to talk peace. So they once again can rebuild the rocket force and attack again.

If I were an Israeli I'd say this pattern is simply unacceptable. The last attack were Hamas beheaded babies means Israel goal has changed they now want to destroy anyone associated with hamas. If Gazans don't want to die they need to stay away from Hamas and stop supporting them

This attack changed the status quo used to be acceptable to simply stop the attacks. Now it's about killing Hamas this of course is going to lead to many more civilian deaths unless Hamass surrenders.

Do you really think that Israel is going to kill the entire Hamas Group? Of that they are after their leaders and senior figures? Or maybe is combination of killing as many as possible, generally speaking. Because this doesn't seem to be a self-defence act but an act of revenge where Israel has killed indiscriminately thousands of innocent civilians, mostly women and children. Hamas has become an excuse at this point for the massacre of the Palestinian population in Gaza. Something that everyone can see, even the senior state department official who resigned as he couldn't agree with US Policy of providing arms to countries that massacre civilians.