The Real Truth About The Gaza Hospital Attack

a reply to: SprocketUK

Moreover, Israel has a known history of bombing hospitals

such as
www.aljazeera.com...

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88

First of all Hamas fired 30,000 rockets on Israel, and they have killed around 100 people.
I don't think 1 misfired rocket will kill more than Hamas has killed for around 10 years. I have seen reports that confirmed it's an American JDAM.

For the second issue, why would Hamas store weapons in a civilian building when they have underground safe storage facilities?

I

You didn’t answer the question. Hamas rocket attacks are killing their own civilians. Should they stop the rocket attacks. Rocket attacks that are launched a majority of the time to kill Jewish civilians.

There needs to be an independent investigation by independent experts on this matter. Online randomers with zero knowledge and experience cannot answer something which is highly contested. The only thing you can do is to provide some more support for Israel as if this will change the fact that it has killed thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza

You’re just stupid at this point.


There have been independent investigations. France, Canada, Uk.

You can access images of the blast.

originally posted by: Lazy88

www.bbc.co.uk...

It was a Hamas misfired rocket. Hama lied about what was actually hit at the hospital compound. Hamas lied about the number of dead. You ignore Hamas has a history of rockets misfiring killing their own civilians. You ignore Hamas lies about those deaths.

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

Moreover, Israel has a known history of bombing hospitals

such as
www.aljazeera.com...

The point remains that the crater in the car park was not from a jdam which is what the Hamass apologists have been alleging.

a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

The smallest bomb available to the IDF is the Fastlight, this has about 110lbs of explosive, No way does this leave a 6 inch crater. In actual fact, anything fitted witha JDAM kit is likely to be much larger in the Mk83 or BLU109 range


ETA you used a video by Megawat who's feed is full of neonazi rubbish to back up your claims. Can you go any lower?

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

The smallest bomb available to the IDF is the Fastlight, this has about 110lbs of explosive, No way does this leave a 6 inch crater. In actual fact, anything fitted witha JDAM kit is likely to be much larger in the Mk83 or BLU109 range


ETA you used a video by Megawat whose feed is full of neonazi rubbish to back up your claims. Can you go any lower?

Is there radar data and evidence the crater created in the parking lot where Hamas lied about the hospital being hit was from an Israeli air strike? Along with bomb fragments?


Sorry. It was just another misfired Hamas rocket. One of hundreds of misfires.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

The smallest bomb available to the IDF is the Fastlight, this has about 110lbs of explosive, No way does this leave a 6 inch crater. In actual fact, anything fitted witha JDAM kit is likely to be much larger in the Mk83 or BLU109 range


ETA you used a video by Megawat whose feed is full of neonazi rubbish to back up your claims. Can you go any lower?

Is there radar data and evidence the crater created in the parking lot where Hamas lied about the hospital being hit was from an Israeli air strike? Along with bomb fragments?


Sorry. It was just another misfired Hamas rocket. One of hundreds of misfires.

No argument from me, the knuckledraggers though, they arent having it.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

The smallest bomb available to the IDF is the Fastlight, this has about 110lbs of explosive, No way does this leave a 6 inch crater. In actual fact, anything fitted witha JDAM kit is likely to be much larger in the Mk83 or BLU109 range


ETA you used a video by Megawat whose feed is full of neonazi rubbish to back up your claims. Can you go any lower?

Is there radar data and evidence the crater created in the parking lot where Hamas lied about the hospital being hit was from an Israeli air strike? Along with bomb fragments?


Sorry. It was just another misfired Hamas rocket. One of hundreds of misfires.

No argument from me, the knuckledraggers though, they arent having it.

Oh. Sry. Thank you for the graceful reply.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: Lazy88

First of all Hamas fired 30,000 rockets on Israel, and they have killed around 100 people.
I don't think 1 misfired rocket will kill more than Hamas has killed for around 10 years. I have seen reports that confirmed it's an American JDAM.

For the second issue, why would Hamas store weapons in a civilian building when they have underground safe storage facilities?

I

You didn’t answer the question. Hamas rocket attacks are killing their own civilians. Should they stop the rocket attacks. Rocket attacks that are launched a majority of the time to kill Jewish civilians.

There needs to be an independent investigation by independent experts on this matter. Online randomers with zero knowledge and experience cannot answer something which is highly contested. The only thing you can do is to provide some more support for Israel as if this will change the fact that it has killed thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza

You’re just stupid at this point.


There have been independent investigations. France, Canada, Uk.

You can access images of the blast.

originally posted by: Lazy88

www.bbc.co.uk...

It was a Hamas misfired rocket. Hama lied about what was actually hit at the hospital compound. Hamas lied about the number of dead. You ignore Hamas has a history of rockets misfiring killing their own civilians. You ignore Hamas lies about those deaths.

No you're mistaken there hasn't been an independent investigation by independent experts. For this to happen they need to be on the ground and that's physically impossible at this point.

You can't come to your premature conclusions when IDF has also lied about a number of things including the statement they recently made there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

There is nothing yet in this.
The two videos by gortex in this thread present a different story.

Only an independent investigation will resolve this issue and not those who support one or the other side.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Mawdano
a reply to: SprocketUK

JDAM has many variants, and could have been something close to it. This has to be confirmed. What we for sure know, Palestinian rockets are too primitive to cause such high damage.

Take a look at this investigation

www.bitchute.com...

The smallest bomb available to the IDF is the Fastlight, this has about 110lbs of explosive, No way does this leave a 6 inch crater. In actual fact, anything fitted witha JDAM kit is likely to be much larger in the Mk83 or BLU109 range


ETA you used a video by Megawat whose feed is full of neonazi rubbish to back up your claims. Can you go any lower?

Is there radar data and evidence the crater created in the parking lot where Hamas lied about the hospital being hit was from an Israeli air strike? Along with bomb fragments?


Sorry. It was just another misfired Hamas rocket. One of hundreds of misfires.

No need to make these arguments when there is no Independent investigation by independent experts on the ground.

Suddenly and inexplicably you have become an expert in weapons and explosives....

a reply to: Leviathan4

There have been investigations. And COMMON SENSE says it wasn't Israel. The hospital stands and runs fine. The parking lot is burnt up and no crater exists. Video evidence of a failed terrorist missile falling from the sky. And of course we have the fact that all Hamas does is lie. EVIDENCE. To say otherwise is WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

Someone here at ATS on one of these threads .... can't remember who exactly .... was trying to use the initial statement made by the Anglican Church in Jerusalem, about Israel bombing the hospital, as 'evidence' that Israel bombed the hospital. The ultimate head of the Anglican Church says that's not true.

The Archbishop of Canterbury said that those who continue to blame Israel, long after the irrefutable evidence of its blamelessness has been made public, are guilty of a “BLOOD LIBEL” against the Jewish people

Archbishop of Canterbury: Accusing Israel of Hospital Attack is ‘Blood Libel’

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby says in Jerusalem that there is no reason to assume Israel was behind the October 17 blast at an Anglican Hospital in Gaza City, and that spreading false accusations about Israeli complicity is a “blood libel.”

“Don’t assume it’s Israel,” Welby says to The Times of Israel. “You have no proof.”

“Do not start propagating another blood libel,” he says to those blaming Israel….

“I have learned that European forensics experts believe the true number of those killed was between 10 and 50. I’m not sure what to believe about those figures. But I do know beyond any doubt that Israel was not responsible for the explosion. The evidence — both audio and visual — is overwhelming that the explosion was not caused by an Israeli airstrike but by an errant rocket launched from within Gaza. And a recording of Hamas operatives discussing the explosion makes clear that the rocket was launched by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.”

a reply to: andy06shake

Well, if the cops aren't going to show up, and your abuser has vowed to kill you, and indeed has tried more than once, well, yeah.....

Sooner or later sane people have enough and give it right back, in spades.

Or, curl up and die.

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

I think you may be missing the point MoreCoyoteAngels.

I mean from the Palestinian perspective Israel is the cops.

Who has been giving them a beatdown for the past 75 years or so.

As to sanity, the current Middle East geopolitical climate is anything but sane, and nor are the poor people who reside there, how could they be sane given the environment in which they exist.

None of which excuses the likes of what Hamas perpetrated and they should be made to answer for their horrendous acts of depravity.

As to curling up and dying well the poor sods that cannot get out of the way in Gaza, a lot of such who amount to nothing more than innocent civilians, will indeed be doing just that.

It's a # show of immense proportions and the loss of life incurred a travesty.

Nothing new in war all the same as sad as the case may be.

a reply to: andy06shake

I agree from the poor people in Palestines perspective. But Israel has a right to self defense. Full stop. After 75 years of guerilla warfare with Palestine (sick of them changing the names of the terrorist orgs and viola, no more accountability, neat trick, huh?) Israel may feel justified need to take some pretty drastic measures.

And we all know that the people of Palestine are being used by Iran and other hostiles in the Muslim world. But they work in the shadows. Pallies are the victim captive scapegoats that justify their own extreme religious hatred of Jews and Israel. Governments have ALWAYS used a ruthless bloody enemy to keep people in fear. The rest of the radical Muslim world, particularly the Mullahs, want the Palestinian people EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE.

Let Israel do what they must. Draw Iran out of the shadows. I hope they sneak attack the Mullahs with everything they have. All at once with no warning. Blow their asses back to the stone age. Liberate the Iranian people too.

Palestine problem will vanish. The rest of the sane Arab world can help them become their own state.

But annilation by Israel if they attack her again. And they must figure out how to survive on their own. Total no contact mutual no border crossing into Israel. NONE

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

But Israel has a right to self-defense. Full stop.

I tend to agree.

However as to the full-stop part, well when you have to become the enemy, or worse, to beat the enemy, some may argue that you have already lost, or at least its a hell of a price to pay, not that they have not paid it already.

Let Israel do what they must. Draw Iran out of the shadows. I hope they sneak attack the Mullahs with everything they have. All at once with no warning. Blow their asses back to the stone age. Liberate the Iranian people too.

I would rather body swerve a third world war as opposed to charging headlong into such a scenario which is what i imagine the above may well turn into.

Palestine problem will vanish. The rest of the sane Arab world can help them become their own state.

I think that's rather naive, the problems associated with the areas in question, are legion, and not likely to simply disappear no matter what happens short of complete and utter total annihilation.

But annilation by Israel if they attack her again. And they must figure out how to survive on their own. Total no contact mutual no border crossing into Israel. NONE

Dont you mean when?

Its a vicious circle you see and one generation simply breeds the next.

How do you combat hatred and stupidity like that?

a reply to: andy06shake

If Israel is looking after Israel, hitting Iran hard NOW is their only solution. The rest of the world jumping in is not really Israels problem. Do you think Putin will retaliate upon Israel if they did? I don't. Do you think NK will, I dont. China?

So yes, Israel is going to kill some unfortunate civilians related to the people trying to kill Israeli's.

Sometimes the price of survival is very very high.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: Leviathan4

There have been investigations. And COMMON SENSE says it wasn't Israel. The hospital stands and runs fine. The parking lot is burnt up and no crater exists. Video evidence of a failed terrorist missile falling from the sky. And of course we have the fact that all Hamas does is lie. EVIDENCE. To say otherwise is WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

There haven't been any official independent investigations by independent experts. For this to happen they need to be on the ground. And this is physically impossible. Until then everything is speculation.

This of course doesn't change the fact that Israel has killed thousands of innocent civilians and it targets pretty much everything it considers to be s military target.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Video footage of the explosion and the resultant damage counts for nothing? Applied common sense? Critical thinking?

No?

a reply to: Leviathan4

So, deflection, hand waving and kicking this into the long grass to avoid any inconvenient truth.

There is more than enough evidence from which an obvious conclusion can be reached.