The Real Truth About The Gaza Hospital Attack

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Leviathan4

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

"There haven't been any official independent investigations by independent experts. For this to happen they need to be on the ground. And this is physically impossible. Until then everything is speculation."

Why not apply that same logic to your constant claims of Israeli "war crimes"?

No?

Who said the same logic doesn't apply there?
A very bizarre argument you have made...

But there is plenty of evidence for the war crimes committed by both sides but not much on who attacked the hospital (this is highly disputed). A very important detail you seem to be forgetting...

reliefweb.int...

Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes

apnews.com...

Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight

www.onmanorama.com...

The United Nations on Friday raised concerns over the war crimes committed on both sides in the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. The UN Human Rights Office cited forcible transfer, collective punishment and the taking of hostages as the war continued into its 21st day.

"We are concerned that war crimes are being committed. We are concerned about the collective punishment of Gazans in response to the atrocious attacks by Hamas, which also amounted to war crimes," spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani told a press conference in Geneva.

I cant help but imagine you dribbling as you draw cartoon jews with big hooked noses, clasping their hands together as they greedily look at piles of money.


Thats what your jokes of posts are.
Despite haviung it explained to you, over and over, despite getting testimony printed here denying it you are still frothing at the mouth in your rabid hunger to blame Jews for what Hamas did.

Nothing has been explained here other than having to hear the apologies for the thousands of people killed by Israel....

Ok here again is the gist of the argument that has been told to you multiple times already...
The crater in the car park is far too small to have come from an israeli bomb(remember you are the one alleging it was an israeli bomb)
The blast patterns indicate it was not a gravity bomb also as there is a clear line of damage going up to the tiny crater. Multiple sources have already stated that the damage is constistent with a failed launch of a Hamas rocket and absolutely inconsistent with an israeli gravity bomb.
Is that good enough for you or are you still going to blame the Israelis for this?

Show me the official independent investigation by independent experts that has happened ok the ground. When it happens and who conducted it?

originally posted by: Leviathan4
There is plenty of doubt of who has attacked the hospital.

AGAIN .... NO THERE IS NOT. No one attacked the hospital. A failed terrorist rocket fell in it's parking lot. MOUNTAINS of credible evidence says so. There is no doubt. Your continued refusal to accept that fact is either willful ignorance or anti-semitism. Or both.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Is that good enough for you or are you still going to blame the Israelis for this?

He's going to mindlessly continue to blame Israel even though it's been proven not to have been them .... BLOOD LIBEL.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Is that good enough for you or are you still going to blame the Israelis for this?

He's going to mindlessly continue to blame Israel even though it's been proven not to have been them .... BLOOD LIBEL.

Yep some folks just cant get past their in built hatred of another culture or race and see what is in fromt of them.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
Show me the official independent investigation by independent experts that has happened ok the ground. When it happens and who conducted it?

Show me the official independent investigation by independent experts that has happened on the ground. When it happens and who conducted it. STOP saying 'Israel committed war crimes' until you provide all that information. Your words right back at you. Good luck with that. Opinions of known anti-Jewish entities in the world are not 'independent investigations'. HYPOCRISY.

Oh .. and don't post them here, that would be off topic. Start your own new jew-hate thread about it.
Just another in the dozens that you have started.

a reply to: Leviathan4

Pure deflection.

How can I condemn any alleged IDF war crimes when by your very own standard of proof there is no independent investigation by independent experts that "need to be on the ground"?

The subject of this thread is "the Gaza Hospital Attack".

Stick to the topic and don't derail, please?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
The subject of this thread is "the Gaza Hospital Attack".
Stick to the topic and don't derail, please?

Yes please. The incessant shilling of 'Isreal war crimes' is hypocrisy and off topic.

The bottom line -

The hospital was not attacked.
A failed terrorist rocket fell in it's parking lot and killed 10-50 people.
The blast evidence proves this.
The film footage from the TV News Livecam showing it happen proves this.
The hospital is just fine .. up and running ... which it wouldn't be if hit by an Israel airstrike.

Only useful idiots for Hamas still cling to the notion that Israel hit it and killed 500 people.

a reply to: Leviathan4

"There is no doubt that both sides have committed war crimes. There is plenty of doubt of who has attacked the hospital"

Then explain the small crater, for a start?

Please also kindly apply the same standards of proof that you expect of others to your own claims.

I believe that you have been quite vocal in other threads about the presumption of innocence when it comes to alleged crimes and railed about perceived trial by media.

You seem to have now rather changed your time?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Leviathan4

Pure deflection.

How can I condemn any alleged IDF war crimes when by your very own standard of proof there is no independent investigation by independent experts that "need to be on the ground"?

The subject of this thread is "the Gaza Hospital Attack".

Stick to the topic and don't derail, please?

The event at the hospital is different from the other events that have proven to have happened. Either the attacks by Hamas or the attacks by IDF that has killed thousands of innocent civilians are true.

The mass and forced expulsions of millions of people are true and have happened. Israel is responsible for it.

Israel cut off electricity and water supply. That's another of these war crimes.


The attack in the hospital is highly disputed. There is no conclusion and no much evidence on who did it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
The subject of this thread is "the Gaza Hospital Attack".
Stick to the topic and don't derail, please?

Yes please. The incessant shilling of 'Isreal war crimes' is hypocrisy and off topic.

The bottom line -

The hospital was not attacked.
A failed terrorist rocket fell in it's parking lot and killed 10-50 people.
The blast evidence proves this.
The film footage from the TV News Livecam showing it happen proves this.
The hospital is just fine .. up and running ... which it wouldn't be if hit by an Israel airstrike.

Only useful idiots for Hamas still cling to the notion that Israel hit it and killed 500 people.

War crimes have been committed by both sides.

Damning evidence of war crimes as Israeli attacks wipe out entire families in Gaza

As Israeli forces continue to intensify their cataclysmic assault on the occupied Gaza Strip, Amnesty International has documented unlawful Israeli attacks, including indiscriminate attacks, which caused mass civilian casualties and must be investigated as war crimes

Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight

The United Nations on Friday raised concerns over the war crimes committed on both sides in the ongoing Israel-Hamas conflict. The UN Human Rights Office cited forcible transfer, collective punishment and the taking of hostages as the war continued into its 21st day.

"We are concerned that war crimes are being committed. We are concerned about the collective punishment of Gazans in response to the atrocious attacks by Hamas, which also amounted to war crimes," spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani told a press conference in Geneva.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Is that good enough for you or are you still going to blame the Israelis for this?

He's going to mindlessly continue to blame Israel even though it's been proven not to have been them .... BLOOD LIBEL.

Yep some folks just cant get past their in built hatred of another culture or race and see what is in fromt of them.

Strawman argument

My position is clear. If I was biased I wouldn't argue that

War crimes committed by Hamas were answered with war crimes committed by Israel.

The hatred argument is flawed.

It looks like guys who are pro-Israeli deny reality.

I am not an Arab or a Jew but I call out what I think is a wrongdoing. It's not only Hamas that has committed war crimes.

Unless you think there is a conspiracy in the UN, Amnesty International and the rest of human right lawyers who unfairly blame Israel.

a reply to: Leviathan4

More deflection and double standards?

Plenty of evidence is available, if only you might actually address it, like, on topic?

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

If Israel is looking after Israel, hitting Iran hard NOW is their only solution.

Quite possibly, but what it will bring about, will possibly be a whole different matter. And may result in drawing in other nations.

Do you think Putin will retaliate upon Israel if they did? I don't. Do you think NK will, I dont. China?

I think the situation plays into Putin's hands and if anything draws attention away from him if that makes sense.

As to what he will do, well that remains to be seen. I think he will use it to his advantage.

And Russia does seem to be rather pally with Iran right now, drones and all that jazz.

Plus after all, they need all the allies they can get.

China will wait and see what the rest do before committing to any sort of move, but everyone else at one another throats only enables them and that includes Russia.

So yes, Israel is going to kill some unfortunate civilians related to the people trying to kill Israeli's.

So an eye for an eye, and around and around they go, from one generation to the next, once again, which will ultimately resolve, probably not much.

Sometimes the price of survival is very very high.

Over there, there is no "sometimes" about it or so it seems.

a reply to: Leviathan4

'The attack in the hospital is highly disputed. There is no conclusion and no much evidence on who did it."

Disputed? By whom?

There is plenty of evidence as has been posted on here.

So far, you have failed to address any of it.

Not a jot.

Bearing in mind the topic of this thread, would you now care to address the actual evidence?

Please?

a reply to: andy06shake

An eye for an eye only applies when the intention is to attack civilians, as we saw Palestine do. Israel isn't doing that. They are tired of being under threat constantly.

If Russia or China are not going to use heavy firepower in response to Israel taking Iran out of the modern game, Israel needs to do it before Iran is a nuclear power. It would be doing the rest of us a favor....admit it. Do you want Mullahs to have nukes? I don't.

Every politician on Earth will leverage whatever for themselves. Count on it. Israel shouldn't and probably doesn't care.

And yes, unless you've lived in Israel, or Palestine, how can any of us assume to know what it's like.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

You can make good informative posts all day long and this one wont comment or respond or let up a notch. Its a broken record. Not a single Pallie can be killed because civilian and war crimes. But never a word about what Pallies did to Israel. They will swear they weren't Pallies. Convenient as hell huh?

a reply to: MoreCoyoteAngels

You, might say that. I? Couldn't possibly comment!

a reply to: Leviathan4

"War crimes committed by Hamas were answered with war crimes committed by Israel."

All well and good.

Except for the little fact that you refuse to accept the evidence that this hospital was hit by a Hamas rocket yet you happily accuse Israel of war crimes without applying your own standards of proof.

That, my friend, is plain evidence, of bias.

originally posted by: Leviathan4
War crimes have been committed by both sides.

1 - PROVE IT. You quoted an opinion piece. Using the standard YOU put forward about the hospital bomb .. give independent investigations on the ground proving that Israel has committed war crimes.

2 - Your post is DEFLECTION. I posted this and you failed to address the on topic information.

The bottom line -

The hospital was not attacked.
A failed terrorist rocket fell in it's parking lot and killed 10-50 people.
The blast evidence proves this.
The film footage from the TV News Livecam showing it happen proves this.
The hospital is just fine .. up and running ... which it wouldn't be if hit by an Israel airstrike.