UK Health Secretary to ban transwomen from female hospital wards

a reply to: Muldar

No, it is what I posted, as in:

"Breast cancer is often thought of as something that only affects women, but men can get it in rare cases. It grows in the small amount of breast tissue men have behind their nipples."?

See, "breast tissue"?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Muldar

I've never said they aren't valid topics to discuss, in fact I think its hugely important that we do.
And its equally important to discuss and consider the specific instances you have on occasion highlighted in light of the broader topic.....part of the bigger picture both here in the UK and globally.

Its not meant as an insult.
Its not a dick measuring competition.
I'd just like to put some of these issues in context.

Is that wrong?

Glad you agree!
Because I have a very good thread coming!

You can imagine what this is!

Good also you find, what the Health Secretary proposed, correct and reasonable.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Oh for God's sake....after being here for 17 years do you really think I'm motivated by stars?
Honestly, get a grip.

What's with the sanctimonious, self-righteousness?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

No, it is what I posted, as in:

"Breast cancer is often thought of as something that only affects women, but men can get it in rare cases. It grows in the small amount of breast tissue men have behind their nipples."?

See, "breast tissue"?

Perhaps you didn't see what I ve written but again

That's a lump in the chest.
Do men have breasts??

Men have small amounts of tissue behind their nipples. Sometimes there is a condition associated with men called gynaecomastia. That's all.

The choice of words is wrong here as men don't have breasts.

Just like the choice of words from your NHS that describes who gets menopause

Menopause means 'the last menstrual period'. It's not only those who identify as women who will experience menopause. Some transgender men, non-binary people and intersex people or people with variations in sex characteristics may also experience menopause.

Transgender men are women
Non binary who experience menopause are women
Intersex people who get menopause are still women with sex development disorders.

No wonder why you have so many issues with your health system. The misinformation in your country is something serious as I can see.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Muldar

Do men have breasts??

Relevance?
Thread drift.
Start a thread on it.

No wonder why you have so many issues with your health system.

Relevance?
Thread drift.
Start a thread on it.

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It's very relevant but you fail to see it. Not only your health system allowed until now transgender women in female hospital wards but it gives wrong information on its site that the Health Secretary wants to change.

Example

Menopause means 'the last menstrual period'. It's not only those who identify as women who will experience menopause. Some transgender men, non-binary people and intersex people or people with variations in sex characteristics may also experience menopause.

Transgender men are women
Non binary who experience menopause are women
Intersex people who get menopause are still women with sex development disorders.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I have no idea, never thought about it before.

And to be perfectly honest with you, I've never really had that many posts removed before.....until the last couple of days.

a reply to: Muldar

Yes, breast tissue

Looked up "man boobs" yet? "Moobs" for short.

But deflect with your menopause strawman.

a reply to: Freeborn

I think they should, but don't know if they are.

It's not like they count for anything though.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Yes, breast tissue

Looked up "man boobs" yet? "Moobs" for short.

But deflect with your menopause strawman.

Your NHS gives misleading information and doesn't just allows transgender women in female wards.

The statements above it's proof that something is very wrong but that's what the Health Secretary said. He will like to see all the misleading terminology gone.

Menopause means 'the last menstrual period'. It's not only those who identify as women who will experience menopause. Some transgender men, non-binary people and intersex people or people with variations in sex characteristics may also experience menopause.

They are not serious when they say that not only those who identify as women will get menopause. It's in fact antiscientific to argue this nonsense. Menopause is entirely irrelevant to how someone chooses to identify.

Breast cancer is often thought of as something that only affects women, but men can get it in rare cases. It grows in the small amount of breast tissue men have behind their nipples."

As bad as one above.
Men don't have breasts. They have tissue behind their nipples. If you call it breast is another issue but it's very misleading.

Clearly your system has been affected by politics and activism. Very much related to the topic of this thread.

a reply to: Muldar

Carry on, regardless.

Looked up "man boob's" yet?

Menopause deflection again?

"Small amount of breast tissue ".

The NHS is generally speaking full of qualified medical folk.

You, with your admitted no formal qualifications want to question them?

Respectfully suggest you take it up with them, rather than spamming these boards with your admittedly uneducated opinions?

Now, run to a Mod.

As you do.

pre-op or post-op?

a reply to: rikgrimsby

Do you think a fully transitioned woman needs to be on a gynecological ward?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Carry on, regardless.

Looked up "man boob's" yet?

Menopause deflection again?

The information your NHS gives is just bad and misleading

Both these pieces of information are coming from the NHS

Menopause means 'the last menstrual period'. It's not only those who identify as women who will experience menopause. Some transgender men, non-binary people and intersex people or people with variations in sex characteristics may also experience menopause.

Breast cancer is often thought of as something that only affects women, but men can get it in rare cases. It grows in the small amount of breast tissue men have behind their nipples

And they are just as bad.

Only women experience menopause
Men don't have breasts

Defending them is tragic...


And from the OP

"It is worth mentioning that the Health Secretary reinstated gender specific terminology on the NHS website after what he called unacceptable language where for example people can get cervical cancer. But it's only women who can get cervical cancer. Men don't get cervical cancer."

Kudos to the Health Secretary who wants to end the misleading terminology that you try to defend here.

a reply to: Muldar

I have never mentioned cervical cancer.

Quite why you might think I have any opinion on that is quite troubling.

Let alone trying to tell me that I might have.

You are being disengenuos.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Muldar

Well, off you go with your unqualified and repetitious opinions.

I will give them any due possible respect.

Your health system is in a state of disintegration as it seems.

Even your Health Secretary argued they must stop use unacceptable terminology such as this

Menopause means 'the last menstrual period'. It's not only those who identify as women who will experience menopause. Some transgender men, non-binary people and intersex people or people with variations in sex characteristics may also experience menopause.

and misleading terminology here

Breast cancer is often thought of as something that only affects women, but men can get it in rare cases. It grows in the small amount of breast tissue men have behind their nipples

Men don't experience menopause
Men don't get cervical cancer
Men don't get pregnant
Men don't get breast cancer

It looks like your qualified doctors are full of s£#& and as a result the Health Secretary intervened to change the language and to remove people who are men from female hospital wards. I can't see anything better given the state of disintegration of your health system.

a reply to: Muldar

"Men don't experience menopause
Men don't get cervical cancer
Men don't get pregnant
Men don't get breast cancer"

Agreed, when have I ever suggested otherwise?

Apart from the breast cancer bit.

Which is a fact.

Why do you constantly engage in strawman arguments and misrepresent other poster's views?

Is it just to support your cognitive bias?