Rockets fired at Israel from Gaza rocket attack terrorists have infiltrated from Gaza

I was starting to think Bibi blinked and this wasn't going to happen.
Sounds like 'Old Testament justice' ...

Israel Gives 'Green Light' To Gaza Ground Invasion

Israel war live updates: IDF has ‘green light’ for ground invasion; hostages, civilian casualties secondary to destroying Hamas, officials say

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: TheGoondockSaint
Ithey keep telling me that Israel blew up a hospital and killed 500 people..

Believe it or not, there are actually a few people HERE on ATS still saying the same thing. The motto here is 'deny ignorance' and yet ... they continue on. Absurd.

Deny Ignorance?
All you ever do is look for one side's savagery to post here.

Not once have you reported on the hundreds of dead Palestinian Children. Children laid out on the floor and on tables by the Dozen for all to see.

Go find the video of the Mother with her 2 dead children in her arms, or the videos of the babies being pulled lifeless from the rubble of what was once their home. Or the dozens of men women and children who were blown to bits looking for sanctuary..exactly where the Israeli's told them it was.

It's you that's ignorant and in denial.

Yes, Hamas has a lot to answer for due to their savagery on Oct. 7.

originally posted by: Muldar

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Muldar

Israel has the ability to end this crisis. If they invade they are most likely to cause a response.

History has proven you wrong more times than its convenient to count, if Israel did nothing they would be attacked again.

With a hard enough hit they might postpone that reprisal a decade or so.

I didn't argue against a response. That's a strawman.

I argued against a disproportional response and against killing innocent civilians in their thousands.

considering entire families got deleted you can make an argument they are proportional to this point.

A strong argument can also be made for degrading hamas to the point they dont have to worry about them for a decade or so.

a reply to: Irishhaf

It's not a proportional response when you kill thousands of innocent civilians, among them many women and children, in the name of self defense. This isn't an act of self defense but an act of revenge. Anyone can see this.

Ok. You can degrade Hamas and kill many of them if you invade Gaza (that will come at a price though). But you can't defeat this ideology and all you create at the prefect conditions for long term conflict and more deaths and destruction in the future on both sides.

It creates a situation where support for Hamas, or whatever the name of the organisation will be in the future, will increase dramatically.

As one of the longer threads on this issue before ATS's great reset. The following is a long video by Tim Truth that contains a lot of different clips of what is going on in Gaza for the record.

GAZA GENOCIDE: 1000S OF INNOCENTS BRUTALLY MURDERED AMID IDF BOMBS & PSYOPS, US DEPLOYS 2K TROOPS

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: Irishhaf

It's not a proportional response when you kill thousands of innocent civilians, among them many women and children, in the name of self defense. This isn't an act of self defense but an act of revenge. Anyone can see this.

Ok. You can degrade Hamas and kill many of them if you invade Gaza (that will come at a price though). But you can't defeat this ideology and all you create at the prefect conditions for long term conflict and more deaths and destruction in the future on both sides.

It creates a situation where support for Hamas, or whatever the name of the organisation will be in the future, will increase dramatically.

You know this could happen in the U.S., right?

There's an illegal immigrant encampment just north of Houston w/60k+ illegal immigrants squatting.

That land isn't their's, it's private land that's been taken over by the homeless immigrants.

Those immigrants are like candy for terrorists. Any terror group (say, "Hamas", for instance) can come in and support the illegals, fund schools, and set up military operations in the school basements.

Then, these terrorists can start firing missiles into Houston.

You're saying Houston citizens have no right to defend themselves because the missiles are being fired from schools? So, what's Houston to do while it's being attacked from all sides?

You're rooting for the wrong side.

originally posted by: SweetGrapes

originally posted by: Leviathan4
a reply to: Irishhaf

It's not a proportional response when you kill thousands of innocent civilians, among them many women and children, in the name of self defense. This isn't an act of self defense but an act of revenge. Anyone can see this.

Ok. You can degrade Hamas and kill many of them if you invade Gaza (that will come at a price though). But you can't defeat this ideology and all you create at the prefect conditions for long term conflict and more deaths and destruction in the future on both sides.

It creates a situation where support for Hamas, or whatever the name of the organisation will be in the future, will increase dramatically.

You know this could happen in the U.S., right?

There's an illegal immigrant encampment just north of Houston w/60k+ illegal immigrants squatting.

That land isn't their's, it's private land that's been taken over by the homeless immigrants.

Those immigrants are like candy for terrorists. Any terror group (say, "Hamas", for instance) can come in and support the illegals, fund schools, and set up military operations in the school basements.

Then, these terrorists can start firing missiles into Houston.

You're saying Houston citizens have no right to defend themselves because the missiles are being fired from schools? So, what's Houston to do while it's being attacked from all sides?

You're rooting for the wrong side.

No you have misinterpreted me.
I say there is no justification in committing war crimes and that war crimes cannot be answered with war crimes which is the case in the current conflict.

Not I am not rooting for the wrong side because I am not an Arab or a Jew end I don't have sides. I support ceasefire just as every sane person in the world.

Support for ceasefire and criticisms of the Israeli Government and Armed forces that have killed thousands of innocent civilians and committed war crimes, doesn't equate with support for Hamas. It's a terrible argument that has been made many times before and has been refuted continuously.

And I want to be on the right side of history just as I was when the war in Iraq happened, even though I was a little kid at that time.

a reply to: SweetGrapes

There's an illegal immigrant encampment just north of Houston w/60k+ illegal immigrants squatting... Those immigrants are like candy for terrorists

What happens to these people is up to America to decide. If they are left caged up and treated like animals that is what they will become.

If given a chance they could also become valuable members of society. I know immigration issues are tough to deal with and does take years for many to adapt to a new culture. Biden stuffed a lot of things up and has put the nation under a great burden. Take each case on its own merits.

originally posted by: kwaka

What happens to these people is up to America to decide. If they are left caged up and treated like animals that is what they will become.

If given a chance they could also become valuable members of society. I know immigration issues are tough to deal with and does take years for many to adapt to a new culture. Biden stuffed a lot of things up and has put the nation under a great burden. Take each case on its own merits.

What happens??? Send them back home...

My wife's sister has been waiting 25 years to legally come here. I paid for her visa back in 1999. As to "valuable members of society"... they are costing 100s of billions when counting up everything, filling our schools and ERs, eating at the social systems etc. They take jobs and undercut the pay, so Americans wanting to work can't compete. Most do not want to be American and send their money back home paying zero taxes but meager sales taxes while being some of the largest burdens on our social system.

How about sending them all back and having them do it the right way...

a reply to: xtrozero1

Send them back home...

There is a lot there, would start with the ones that screw up first.

originally posted by: kwaka

There is a lot there, would start with the ones that screw up first.

Start busing them back to the border. Mexico is letting this happen too. Those people cross Mexico and are helped along the way. If we pushed this back on Mexico then maybe they would do something like they did in the past. Get 100 school busses with 40 in each, 2 trips a day and that is 60,000 in less than 10 days back in Mexico.

originally posted by: xtrozero1

originally posted by: kwaka

There is a lot there, would start with the ones that screw up first.

Start busing them back to the border. Mexico is letting this happen too. Those people cross Mexico and are helped along the way. If we pushed this back on Mexico then maybe they would do something like they did in the past. Get 100 school busses with 40 in each, 2 trips a day and that is 60,000 in less than 10 days back in Mexico.

Would that be considered an Invasion of Mexico? An act of war? A war crime? Or, maybe an Insurrection?

I say we drop them into the yards of ALL registered Democrats, nationwide.

We'll go by the # registered at each address. If a house has 193 Democrats registered to vote, they get 193 illegal immigrants dropped off, at their front door.

Sounds fair.

lets post, on topics, will bump some threads,

originally posted by: SweetGrapes

Would that be considered an Invasion of Mexico? An act of war? A war crime? Or, maybe an Insurrection?

They just traveled through Mexico to get here and many or actually Mexican, so just putting them back where they came from.

We'll go by the # registered at each address. If a house has 193 Democrats registered to vote, they get 193 illegal immigrants dropped off, at their front door.

Sounds fair.

Dems are all sanctuary cities, well until they start to camp on their front lawns then they call the police who do not come because they tried to defund them. Crazy how what comes around goes around.

a reply to: DatGuyv2

I see you've stopped screaming "free Palestine" after it was revealed they are killing more of their own people due to sheer incompetency. How many of their half-assed rockets failed and killed civilians?

a reply to: InspectorE7

Not as many as Israel has killed and you didnt let me finish...

from the video....
12:10

The British wanted to guarantee a Western presence in the area.
In November 1917, British Foreign Secratery Arthur James Balfour wrote an open letter to Lord Lionel Walter ROTHSCHILD(see video for letter contents 12:23) one of the leaders of the Zionist movement. Balfour wrote :
"Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in coveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and apporves by, the Cabinet.

a reply to: DatGuyv2

24:00

In August 1942, a telegram arrived here saying that Himmler had decided to kill between 3.5 and 4 million people by the end of the year, in specific locations with a gas called prussic acid or cyanide.

It is unclear who sent or received the telegram, it can be seen @24:18 and a portion of it reads :

"received alarming reports stating that, in the fuehrer's headquarters, a plan has been discussed, and is under consideration accordingly to which all Jews in countries occupied or controlled by Germans numbering 5.5 to 4 millions should, after deportation and concentration in the East, be at once exterminated, in order to resolve, once and for all the "jewish question in europe"

This was a full 3 years before common history teaches us that the Americans found these camps in "surprise"

In addition the term "Jewish Question" is often how the world relates to plight of the Palestinian people today, this is foreshadowing for a greater atrocity to befall humanity, and some of you are cheering it on....

a reply to: DatGuyv2

40:50

There were some massacres to send the message that only if people fled would thier lives be spared

This is the same rhetoric we see today from the Israeli Government

TextIn March of 1948 there was an incident in Deir Yassin that caused panic.
Deir Yassin was a small village Aran village with 600 residents, located 5 kilometers from Jerusalem.
It held no strategic importance for the Haganah (Israeli military).
But two offshoot Zionist paramilitary groups, Irgun and Lehi, attacked the village anyway.
The operation on the morning of April 9th (1948) was poorly coordinated.
The Palestinians fought back, killing fove men.
Irgun and Lehi doubled down, seizing house after house, and blowing some up with explosives.
Nearly 200 were killed in the massacre

Deir Yassin Massacre

a reply to: InspectorE7

I see you've stopped screaming "free Palestine" after it was revealed they are killing more of their own people due to sheer incompetency. How many of their half-assed rockets failed and killed civilians?

And here we go again, another advocate for genocide, proud to have instrumentalized the more efficient killing machine in this "war" on about 1.5 million children.

Where are your laser guided weapons then, simply pounding entire residential areas must be too inefficient when this really was about annihilating Hamas?