Trump Committed Fraud By Inflating His Assets, Judge Rules

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: nugget1



Regular Joe’s go to prison all the time for committing fraud. If it can happen to a regular person it definitely should happen to a powerful person.

Don’t you agree?

OJ, CIA, FBI etc. are pulling out all the stops to investigate the Biden crime family. The evidence goes back years to IRS reports, bank reports, whistleblowers coming forward and it gets covered up.

Lets start with a time line-you know, like go after the ones whose statute of limitations is running out, instead of 'Huntering' them.

Lets go after all the insider traders in office. We all know it happens, yet we're supposed to get up in arms because they chose to Martha Stewart an ex POTUS?

If people want to pretend targeting Trump is politically motivated because the DC crooks and RINO's are running scared it will only perpetuate the downward spiral our country is on.

originally posted by: spacedoubt

originally posted by: nugget1
While people are celebrating the attempts to bring Trump down they're missing the bigger picture here, IMO. They keep expanding the net to take him down and sooner or later hope something sticks.

Doesn't anybody recognize abuse of power anymore? Targeted cancelling of any opponent.

Think you'll be safe because you're a 'little person'? Cross the wrong line, challenge corrupt government actions in any way and the 'little' guy won't stand a chance of exonerating themself.

Everything that starts at the top eventually trickles down to the bottom.

Trump has an offensive way of expressing himself. He's too old to be POTUS, IMO. Truth be told, at the present time he's the only option America has to return to prosperity.

Career, corrupt politicians are 100% responsible for the state our county is in, and electing another establishment sweet talker isn't going to improve our chances-or make things better.

People recognize abuse of power.
That’s why he is on trial and indicted.

People recognized Hillary's abuse of power and corruption. They recognize Biden's long history of abuse of power. The notice Pelosi's, McConnell's and many others-along with the fact that there was no trial; not even charges. Just hide the evidence and make the news all about someone else. Those tactics are written about in Rules for Radicals. It's pretty hard NOT to notice how it's being used against the most popular candidate to date.

No doubt he's a professional bullsh#tter. Mind you I wouldn't trust the establishment either.

Comparisons:

Trump: doesn't take a paycheck as president.
The rest of the DC swamp: "earn" several hundred-thousand dollars a year -- but magically all become multi-millionaires after a few years in the swamp.

Trump: (according to this thread) claims to have money that he doesn't.
The rest of the DC swamp: claim not to have the money, by which random oligarchs and foreign nations purchased their souls.

New York Democrats Are Sealing Their Fate...

New York Judge Rules Without Trial, Jury or Verdict, That President Trump Must Dissolve All Business Interests in State

This is John Galt level government targeting. A New York State judge has arbitrarily ruled, no trial – no jury, that President Trump overvalued his real estate holdings in New York, which means he paid too much in taxes, in order to secure financing and loans.

All the banks and lenders did their own due diligence on the financing. All operational loans and business loans were paid back. There were no defaults or banking interests adversely impacted.

There are no victims of what the State calls “fraud,” yet the judge is ruling the Trump organization must dissolve all business interests in the state and exit within 10 days.

New York Attorney General Latisha James campaigned for office with promises to target the Trump Organization and Donald Trump himself.

This is malicious lawfare in the extreme!

More at: theconservativetreehouse.com... s-interests-in-state/

The TDS-afflicted ruling JUDGE and New York AG Latisha James, have now placed themselves on the growing list of individuals who are GUARANTEED to receive "RETRIBUTION" (aka: "payback") for their evilness. New York Pillsbury model, D.A. Alvin Bragg, is already on the list.

It's too bad (for them) their hate has made them act so illogically and with such short-sightedness. 2025 can't come fast enough!

So it seems what I wrote earlier about them potentially being forced to sell is not entirely accurate. They may not even get the chance to sell or decide on the price. It will be done for the Trumps.

In ordering the complete dissolution of the Trump Organization, the judge also ordered that the Organization and all the sister companies under the Trump umbrella will be 'sent into receivership to be under the control of a court-appointed officer.'

The court appointed officer will decide the best and most legal way to dissolve the companies.

ETA: Another interesting fact, the judge fined the Trump's lawyers, four of them, $7,500 each for making frivolous statements in court and wasting time by attempting to re-litigate things already decided. He called it like "being in a time-loop from Groundhog Day." Trump's attorneys are learning that his delay tactics are costing them money personally. Well, they can probably bill him for it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

You guys still cry about Obama. Hell, you guys still cry about Hillary and she didn't even win.

a reply to: Mahogany

What I found interesting, and the Judge did as well, as it's in a footnote of the ruling, Trump stated during his deposition, that none of it really matters because he can "name any price" on MAL and "Saudi Arabia will pay that for it". Huh? They will? Why? Interesting.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

This case predates any of the criminal cases. And the fact that he's losing his companies for committing widespread fraud seems like something is sticking.

You need to understand this is a civil suit; not a criminal one.

If he really committed fraud, it'd be a criminal case. Do you know why people bring civil cases to court? Because civil cases DO NOT require empirical evidence; they also accept hear-say testimony.

Civil court is not evidence based; it's feelings based. Well we "feel" you committed fraud; so we're gonna levy a judgement against you.

Well if I really committed fraud; I'd be tried in criminal court, but hey -- y'all can't prove I committed fraud, so here we are.

In civil cases, the plaintiff has the burden of proving their case by a preponderance of the evidence, which means the plaintiff merely needs to show that the fact in dispute is more likely than not.

A preponderance of evidence is just an acumulation of people saying the same thing. "Merely has to show... it's likely."

Do you understand the evidence standard of civil court? You can gas light and win civil cases. This is why criminal charges do not exist; because criminal cases can't be gaslit; proof it's likely doesn't cut it; you need to prove it happened beyond a shadow of a doubt to get a criminal conviction. They can't do that; that's why they are in civil court. They are trying to take his money to remove his ability to defend himself.

How do you prove I overstated my assets value? Value is subjective; I could have properties appraised by two appraisers and get two different valuations.

A smart business decision would be to use the higher apraisal. I guess that's "fraud" to NY. I don't have to believe an appraisal is correct. They often aren't.

You can be charged with something criminal; be aquitted because of a lack of evidence, and you'll lose the civil case, because you were tried criminally -- despite the fact that you were acquitted. They say it's "Likely, we just couldn't prove it -- summary judgement."

Nobody should be able to be found guilty of anything without evidence, people are liars. If you can't prove I'm guilty, then you're likely just gas lighting; no judgements should be levied based on pitchfork mobs... That's disingenuous at best, and can be weaponized at worst.

In this case; it's weaponized.

a reply to: frogs453

Very interesting.

Remember the high five between Putin and the Saudi prince? I hope there’s serious investigating going on regarding Jared’s 2 billion Saudi deal.

a reply to: knoxie

The committee did start to investigate it late last summer. By January Jared had not provided any of the financial info they requested. The committee had just sent a letter regarding his non compliance. Then Comer took over. Scrapped that investigation and switched it to investigate Hunter.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Stopstealingmycountry

Don't give them fodder bro.

Don't need it as we can see that Trump lives in all your heads....It's actually crazy to the level many of my liberal friends live, eat, and think Trump 24/7. 5 mins after Biden is out of office he will also be out of my head, maybe you all should try it too.

If you honestly think TDS doesn't run equally as clownshow from both the for and against persepctive then i am not sure what you are watching.

There are people on this site that will never hold him accountable or see his flaws.

There are people on this site that hold him accountable too much and only see his flaws.

originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: Threadbare

Another source to add:

A U.S. federal judge on Tuesday ruled that former President Donald Trump—the twice-impeached GOP presidential front-runner facing 91 federal and state criminal charges in four separate cases—committed fraud over a period of years while building his real estate businesses.

www.commondreams.org...

No one is above the Law.

Except the Clinton’s, Obamas, Bushes, and Bidens.

a reply to: spacedoubt

Speak for yourself, just because all you libturds have a big mouth doesn't mean you are at all in the majority..... smh....

originally posted by: Mahogany
So it seems what I wrote earlier about them potentially being forced to sell is not entirely accurate. They may not even get the chance to sell or decide on the price. It will be done for the Trumps.

In ordering the complete dissolution of the Trump Organization, the judge also ordered that the Organization and all the sister companies under the Trump umbrella will be 'sent into receivership to be under the control of a court-appointed officer.'

The court appointed officer will decide the best and most legal way to dissolve the companies.

ETA: Another interesting fact, the judge fined the Trump's lawyers, four of them, $7,500 each for making frivolous statements in court and wasting time by attempting to re-litigate things already decided. He called it like "being in a time-loop from Groundhog Day." Trump's attorneys are learning that his delay tactics are costing them money personally. Well, they can probably bill him for it.

None of that sh!t is going to stand up on appeal.

That’s a clear and absolute abuse of power by the political activist (judge).

What’s even more astounding than them trying that is you losers being perfectly ok with their actions.
Actually F’in cheering it on like the Commies that you are.

What y’all don’t seem to understand is that every single time you target this man with bull#, he gains more support from the American People.

I say keep it up!

originally posted by: Mahogany
So it seems what I wrote earlier about them potentially being forced to sell is not entirely accurate. They may not even get the chance to sell or decide on the price. It will be done for the Trumps.

In ordering the complete dissolution of the Trump Organization, the judge also ordered that the Organization and all the sister companies under the Trump umbrella will be 'sent into receivership to be under the control of a court-appointed officer.'

The court appointed officer will decide the best and most legal way to dissolve the companies.

ETA: Another interesting fact, the judge fined the Trump's lawyers, four of them, $7,500 each for making frivolous statements in court and wasting time by attempting to re-litigate things already decided. He called it like "being in a time-loop from Groundhog Day." Trump's attorneys are learning that his delay tactics are costing them money personally. Well, they can probably bill him for it.

so one judge can rule on this, and there can be no appeals? that seems a bit undemocratic. Is this acceptable to you?

a reply to: Threadbare


Talk about Crying

She still thinks she won - And here she is still talking stolen Elections - something only a Democrat can do apparently

Twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton used an entire "news" segment to discuss her "concerns" about the 2024 election. What she had to say about Vladimir Putin, the 2020 election, Donald Trump, and conservatives is nothing shy of insane.

22 hours ago



a reply to: network dude

6 take-aways

Trump is not out of options.
Mr. Trump has at least two routes left to challenge Justice Engoron. He can appeal the ruling and seek an emergency stay of the trial, a move that Mr. Trump’s lawyers indicated they might pursue.

Even if that does not work, Mr. Trump is awaiting a decision from an appeals court on the lawsuit he filed against Justice Engoron. In it, Mr. Trump argued that the judge had ignored an earlier appeals court ruling that raised the prospect that some evidence against the former president was too dated to be used at trial.

The appeals court is expected to rule as soon as Thursday.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: frogs453

Very interesting.

Remember the high five between Putin and the Saudi prince? I hope there’s serious investigating going on regarding Jared’s 2 billion Saudi deal.

Yea! With the dems owning the DOJ the FBI and the entire IC, you would think they would look into that, but for some reason they don't. Almost as if they did and found nothing there. But don't ever give up, I"m sure soon they will hear your cries, offer you a tissue, and arrest Jared.

a reply to: PurpleFox

Yep.

And, what what does that say about his supporters - he really could shoot someone on fifth Ave and not lose support. In other words, suckers who don’t care they’re being conned by a pompous entitled whiny con man.

It hilariously pathetic.

But, at the very least can we admit he’s not the business genius he claims to be? Lolololol