Children on puberty blockers saw mental health change - new analysis

a reply to: Terpene

Talk therapy is not shoving anything back into the closet.

It doesn't need to be a national debate either.

Everyone on Earth is entitled to their FAMILY. FFS, you don't get to decide that those people over there don't think right, so they shouldn't have kids. People are not breeders for the state. People create families from love . The state does not love your children.

I'm so sorry for your outlook. Pain based?

originally posted by: malte85
a reply to: AlienBorg
Learned something again:

Puberty blockers stop the development of the body. However, they do not change it. If puberty blockers are discontinued, puberty also resumes. Side effects such as mood swings or hot flashes during use are rare and temporary. Possible long-term and also rare side effects such as a change in bone density even after taking the medication are considered a reason not to continue treatment longer than necessary.

Contrary to what is often portrayed, it is enormously difficult for trans* youth to obtain puberty blockers. Doctors prescribe puberty blockers only after a diagnosis and extensive consultation. It often takes months or years to even get an appointment for an initial consultation.

www.lsvd.de...#:~:text=Pubert%C3%A4ts%2DBlocker%20sind%20Medika mente%2C%20die,stoppen%20die%20Entwicklung%20des%20K%C3%B6rper.

Exactly, and all the while they are under psychological treatment/counselling. Not only that, there are very low numbers that still want to transition, but, hey, the outrage peanut gallery feels they can tell others how to live their lives.

a reply to: Terpene

I'm just asking, so i can research the effects. Then maybe make a suggestion to stop taking them.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Pretty clear. Don't fool with kids healthy bodies. Common F'n sense.

I suppose people without any actual experience with gender dysphoric, transgender and pre-transsexual youth can unknowingly make the assumption the kids in question are happy and healthy and will just be fine if we leave them alone but the fact is these kids are not all right and ignoring the problem or doing nothing can lead to tragic outcomes.

How about talk and family therapy for a year? You just leap to extremes.

I'd wager after a year of talking about this professionally with a kid, they will get bored, embarrassed, ineffective for attention getting except for a weekly meeting they hate, and most will move on to something else.

You think parents walk in with their kids and walk out with puberty blockers? Talk about leaping to extremes! Counseling, family therapy and evaluation and testing by a multi-disciplinary team of professionals is where the affirming care approach begins with not pushing a child in any certain direction one of the key tenets of this model.

For those of you so quick to condemn, maybe do some research into what is actually happening and stop focusing on “drugging” kids and “chopping off parts”. The majority of youth that even have the ability to access puberty inhibitors, which is less than 50% of those wanting them, have been under observation and therapy for several years.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

If your being talked down, talk therapy isn't helpful.

I wouldn't let my kid have talk therapy with you for example.

I see what you're trying to justify, and yes I agree talking with professionals and extensive assessment by professionals, including the whole family is the only intelligent approach for chemical interventions.
any irreversible procedure should only be a last resort.

I'm so sorry for your outlook. Pain based?

Projection based? I'm sorry too, and I mean it. Most kids are very unlucky with their parents, or maybe I've been blessed

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Ill refer you to finland, who after years of believing in gender transition especially puberty blockers have reached the conclusion that they are not good for children and will not do anything more than counseling except in extreme cases.

they have much more experience and knowledge in this area than the nitwits in the US that are pursuing the next money maker (I refer you to the Vanderbilt fiasco).

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
Pretty clear. Don't fool with kids healthy bodies. Common F'n sense.

I suppose people without any actual experience with gender dysphoric, transgender and pre-transsexual youth can unknowingly make the assumption the kids in question are happy and healthy and will just be fine if we leave them alone but the fact is these kids are not all right and ignoring the problem or doing nothing can lead to tragic outcomes.

How about talk and family therapy for a year? You just leap to extremes.

I'd wager after a year of talking about this professionally with a kid, they will get bored, embarrassed, ineffective for attention getting except for a weekly meeting they hate, and most will move on to something else.

You think parents walk in with their kids and walk out with puberty blockers? Talk about leaping to extremes! Counseling, family therapy and evaluation and testing by a multi-disciplinary team of professionals is where the affirming care approach begins with not pushing a child in any certain direction one of the key tenets of this model.

For those of you so quick to condemn, maybe do some research into what is actually happening and stop focusing on “drugging” kids and “chopping off parts”. The majority of youth that even have the ability to access puberty inhibitors, which is less than 50% of those wanting them, have been under observation and therapy for several years.

And from what I've read quite a few of them, when they reach adulthood, stop taking them altogether, but then they are still trying to figure out the whys and hows, because it may be that they simply can't afford the therapy.

a reply to: CoyoteAngels

the only way kids will get through this is with talking therapies,as a survivor of csa its was the only way i got through it all, and was why i reached out to help others going through the same painful journey, mostly women.. and i really get how they can come across as trans the wanting to be big and strong, wearing big baggy clothes, not wanting boobs or any signs of femininity, but none where boys just working through pain that more often than not led to a lesbians life.

its the only topic (aside from banning corporal punishment and the poll tax) that i've ever been an activist in terms of protesting for better services for survivors more talking not less..

it really irks me so many put their ideological need to best their political opponents over the welfare of children, its such an easy topic, confused children need to talk it through.. i've used one of the more extremes of proto gays borrowing feminine hygiene products to see if they are really girls as they like boys.. though all end up quickly moving onto being happy gay men who have worked out that initial part of who they are, it really scares me to see young girls wanting to have the bmi of the likes of dylan mulvaney, while others talk of having their breasts removed as a tool for weight loss.

i'm honestly not sure how blind some can be on these topics.. it feels we're back to actively promoting anorexia and its called good..

a reply to: Grenade

There is an incredible tool for honest researchers and it's called mirror, I'm sure you have one.

all your answer are there...

a reply to: Terpene

How would that help you? I'm not on any medication and i only use a mirror for shaving.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Do you think the underlying problem is some kind of predetermined destiny to be the opposite sex, cast down from a higher power straight into the dna of these children?

Or there likely some other psychological trigger going on, likely exacerbated by positive reinforcement of their delusional mental illness?

It's piss poor, libtard parenting, that's the brass tax.

"Of course you can be a princess little "Tommy". Now STFU and go to your room with some makeup and seventeen chemicals in a little pill."

Spend time with your children FFS, stop letting youtube bring them up. Teach them the facts of life! Bring them up to be logical, reasonable, stoic and responsible, not hormone fueled, confused, sexually deviant and selfish.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

Ill refer you to finland, who after years of believing in gender transition especially puberty blockers have reached the conclusion that they are not good for children and will not do anything more than counseling except in extreme cases.

they have much more experience and knowledge in this area than the nitwits in the US that are pursuing the next money maker (I refer you to the Vanderbilt fiasco).

Finland followed the 'Dutch Protocol' and this is where it came from:

The main evidence for this practice came from a longitudinal study of 70 Dutch adolescents who had undergone puberty suppression followed by cross-sex hormones and surgery. Their outcomes shortly after surgery appeared mostly positive: an improved psychological function and reduced gender dysphoria

www.sociology.ox.ac.uk...#:~:text=The%20main%20evidence%20for%20this,function%20and%2 0reduced%20gender%20dysphoria.

Yes, a study of ONLY 70 adolescents. Is it any wonder they got a lot of it wrong?

As for the Vanderbilt probe, they are probing the medical billing portion of it and don't forget there is always the Supreme Court when that state's AG gets it all wrong.

a reply to: Grenade

i only use a mirror for shaving.

Well, then stick to that...

Will you do the courtesy of reporting this little off topic insinuation of yours?
Or is this your way to ask for help?

a reply to: AlienBorg

an mostly unagitated and civilised debate on this topic. here on ats. fascinating.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

except as we have seen in the likes of tavistock that is not what happens when activism takes over, my own gender dysphoric label came from being a survivor who displays classic survivor traits and as such deemed i must be the wrong sex.

we saw these issues manifested during the satanic panic, which is where i got my label and as you had all disciplines working on concert and looking for satanic abuse, gender dysphoria and other identity issues we know the result that they found imaginary ones that resulted in a new syndrome called false memory syndrome.

they will find what they are looking for.. its why i see especially the us and canada risking finding out they have adopted a modern form of lobotomy to permanently fix problems that at best may just need an ear or short time to work through..

like the satanic panic putting csa survivors autistics and proto homosexuals in the same pot risks breaking countries though those countries really wedded to eradicating homosexuality autism and child abuse will continue down this path.. as they'll always be able to justify the wrongness of much of what is happening..

a reply to: Terpene

nor would I you.

So?

Parental discretion. You seem to be the one that feels like it was good for you, family, parents, childhood, but yet you judge others and deny them the same right to parentage childhood and family. Tell me, did your parents see eye to eye with every whim notion or fad that came your way that you fancied because it was cool?

All generations have a fad. Out of the woodwork come those who can gain from it.
There have always been people who wanted to be the opposite sex or gender.
These people exist, but not to the extent the youngsters are claiming in the last few years.

Also if you ask healthy people in tribes, they will give you some hometruths, namely that if you are too busy working hard for survival, you don't have time to winge about wanting to be what you will never be.

Our safe space culture has brought out the confused, attention seeking, bored and mentally ill and parades them as the norm.

The pharmaceutical lobby has picked up on the money maker.

The kids hold you all hostage, as many teens do with the old, if you don't do what I want, I'll kill myself.

In which instance, anyone saying this should be sectioned and kept under observation. Not fed with chemicals which can and will do irreparable damage.

Nobody will ever transition. They can only pretend or appropriate. The rest is words and opinions. I never cared about transvestites. So what my in unkle in law dressed like a woman, he wasn't one and he knew it.

It's the perverts and the involvement of minors which is bad.
But then again anyone rational would agree.
Only those with a negarious agenda would allow both to exist.
And the agenda is very bad indeed. Nothing van change my mind on that.

a reply to: Terpene

I was genuinely interested if you take medication. It is the topic of the thread. Many people do, i wouldn't see you any differently if you were, although might be able to understand your opinions better if that was the case.

You don't want to answer, that's cool. You could just say none. I smoke weed and drink a few times a week, nobodies perfect.

a reply to: nickyw

So during the satanic panic the same thing happend with a small percentage of the population and it wasn't the end of the world?
but with this even smaller percentage its really bad?

The question is what have we learned and why isn't it adapted.
follow the money will reveal a big part of the answer.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Here is a mind blowing question for you: if the person is so unhappy, depressed, in emotional pain and every day is a horrible eternity of unhappiness, why not let them go?

Opposite sex hormones, surgery, followed by a lifetime of hormones, possible cancer and other debilitating side effects is not going to make anyone want to live that truly doesn't want to.