Children on puberty blockers saw mental health change - new analysis

a reply to: AlienBorg

while this iteration goes back to the satanic panic both use the same victorian pseudosciences, which is why its not far removed from petticoating and as heavy on the stereotypes.

its an attempt to make bad kids good by converting them to the opposite sex and its as binary as it gets.

its an unfolding unmitigated disaster that no amount of weasel words can change.

a reply to: Grenade

I think in certain cases it might be an option. How do we assert those cases?

Maybe we should put them in reeduction camps for a year and if they still feel in the wrong body they can go ahead?

Offer, as in "you are depressed? here take some prozac!"

Hell no!

medical personnel should be advised to encourage withholding any medical intervention unless live saving on minors!

Unfortunately it's business as usual, and the USA is just a little behind in regulating it. You'll get there one way or the other.

a reply to: nickyw

its an unfolding unmitigated disaster that no amount of weasel words can change.

What's the percentage of kids we're talking about?

99% drama 1% facts?

a reply to: Grenade

Sure... We are talking about this, are we?

There is plenty that isn't good for the development of humanity but we love free markets over everything.

Failing to acknowledge something as part and parcel of human nature and setting the necessary legal boundaries will give opportunist the opportunity to take advantage of legal loopholes.

There is an easy way out, but suppression and denial isn't it.

Good luck

Take a look at the post I responded to.

100% saw their physical health deteriorate.

Artificially induced chemical imbalances aren’t good for developing children.

Anyone who claims different shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a child.

What question are you talking about?

Context trumps triggered... Can't help yourself can you?

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: AlienBorg

Do you really need peer reviewed papers or pre-prints to determine this is a harmful drug?

That's uhhhh...... look i hate to break it to you buddy but that's what peer reviewed papers are for. It's called the scientific method and i know it's name is mud around here at the moment but if you looked at it objectively you would find that the vast, VAST majority of scientists and doctors who abide by it are firmly in agreement that gender affirming care is safe, important, and in many cases, necessary.

No you missed the point completely.

I ve asked you whether you think you need peer reviewed papers or any papers at all to establish that a drug which is given to serious sex offenders to chemically castrate them is suitable to be given to kids who have gender dysphoria or are unsure about their gender and sexuality.

There is no such thing as 'gender affirming care'. It's just powerful and harmful drugs and hormones together with butchering of body parts.

Btw I have authored plenty of them...

a reply to: AlienBorg

Unlikely you will get a straight answer.

More projection i guess...

In case you missed my question.

But let me ask... How was it made illegal if not by politics?

Very curious about your straight answer.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Grenade

Sure... We are talking about this, are we?

There is plenty that isn't good for the development of humanity but we love free markets over everything.

Failing to acknowledge something as part and parcel of human nature and setting the necessary legal boundaries will give opportunist the opportunity to take advantage of legal loopholes.

There is an easy way out, but suppression and denial isn't it.

Good luck

Take a look at the post I responded to.

100% saw their physical health deteriorate.

Artificially induced chemical imbalances aren’t good for developing children.

Anyone who claims different shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a child.

What question are you talking about?

Context trumps triggered... Can't help yourself can you?

So do you think is good to give Lupron to kids? It's used to chemically castrate serious sex offenders btw. But it was branded as a 'puberty blocker'.

The article I ve linked shows that if politics and activism are not around then 'gender affirming care' becomes a very harmful process.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Unlikely you will get a straight answer.

More projection i guess...

In case you missed my question.

But let me ask... How was it made illegal if not by politics?

Very curious about your straight answer.

You should answer how it was allowed all this time. That's how it goes. How did 'gender affirming care' found its way in our society.

Same as how transwomen found their way in female sports and female only spaces.

Politics it's the short answer.

I wonder, during the course of all the "affirming care", do they actually explain to everyone that you can't really "change genders", just the appearance of a change. You will always and forever be the gender you were born with, even if you grow your hair long and lop off your dick. It seems cruel to offer a lie to kids as a cure.

a reply to: Terpene

treating autism, child abuse and other childhood issues by trying to change the sex of the child will lead to life long issues/addictions/criminality, most of which will fully develop by the time the person is in their mid 20s, which is where the bulk of suicides will occur, so it's not a case of killing them now its killing them later.

i came at this in my mid 20s during the mid 1990s after my first marriage failed due to the after effects of childhood abuse, the effects of sexual abuse make a child not only not wish to be themselves but also not be the sex that led to the abuse, hence my own gender dysphoric label, its a lazy label that fixes nothing but masks everything.

proto homosexuals go through a similar journey to find themselves, i knew a few a school who tried feminine hygiene products to understand themselves, are they boys or girls? most grew up to be happy gay men not transvestites or transexuals, trying to change their sex would have destroyed them.

what the west is adopting is a victorian tool to fix the different, and no matter what you say the outcomes and damage is already being locked in and no amount of weasel words can change the outcome now as a sex change does not fix homosexuality nor does it fix autism nor end child abuse..

the true scale of issues will arise when the first cohort hits their mid 20s after funnelling so many down the only fans path it'll be an unmitigated disaster...

a reply to: AlienBorg

Same as how transwomen found their way in female sports and female only spaces.

Politics it's the short answer.

what are you saying here?

All the trans women don't exist and only do it for politics?

You fail to understand the issue completely. I made my stance clear here.

medical personnel should be advised to encourage withholding any medical intervention unless live saving on minors!

And here

Unfortunately it's business as usual, and the USA is just a little behind in regulating it. You'll get there one way or the other.

Just because trans is new and incomprehensible to you, doesn't make it so.
it's been around alot longer than the political ruse.

Now the recent pharmaceutical interest in the phenomenon is where the real issue and danger resides me thinks...
Lots of unregulated sectors to make money and politics is the only way to protect your kids from the free market.

The way a country words their laws tells alot about it.

a reply to: nickyw

I'm sorry to hear that

I agree, the general approach to psychological ailment in minors is fundamentaly flawed and is a major contributing factor to the 20 till 25 years old suicide peak.

This will add to it no doubt. We could also take it as a chance and right some long standing wrongs... But that's not what seems to happen, so nothing will happen at all...

We reap what we sow.

originally posted by: network dude
I wonder, during the course of all the "affirming care", do they actually explain to everyone that you can't really "change genders", just the appearance of a change. You will always and forever be the gender you were born with, even if you grow your hair long and lop off your dick. It seems cruel to offer a lie to kids as a cure.

Not even that!
In most cases appearance doesn't change.

a reply to: AlienBorg

How was it made illegal if not by politics?

So your straight answer is...

You should answer how it was allowed all this time. That's how it goes. How did 'gender affirming care' found its way in our society.

Same as how transwomen found their way in female sports and female only spaces.

Politics it's the short answer

Lol... What a joke....

I guess the short answer is projection.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

Same as how transwomen found their way in female sports and female only spaces.

Politics it's the short answer.

what are you saying here?

All the trans women don't exist and only do it for politics?

You fail to understand the issue completely. I made my stance clear here.

medical personnel should be advised to encourage withholding any medical intervention unless live saving on minors!

And here

Unfortunately it's business as usual, and the USA is just a little behind in regulating it. You'll get there one way or the other.

Just because trans is new and incomprehensible to you, doesn't make it so.
it's been around alot longer than the political ruse.

Now the recent pharmaceutical interest in the phenomenon is where the real issue and danger resides me thinks...
Lots of unregulated sectors to make money and politics is the only way to protect your kids from the free market.

The way a country words their laws tells alot about it.

Yes, transwomen are not biologically defined and hence as far as science is concerned they don't exist. It's men who pretend to be women.

Trans is quite comprehensible to all of us who are not gender ideologues or trans activists.

And the use of 'puberty blockers' is quite harmful as we all know.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlienBorg

How was it made illegal if not by politics?

So your straight answer is...

You should answer how it was allowed all this time. That's how it goes. How did 'gender affirming care' found its way in our society.

Same as how transwomen found their way in female sports and female only spaces.

Politics it's the short answer

Lol... What a joke....

I guess the short answer is projection.

I have already given you the answer.

A wrong political decision was corrected by science. No evidence on benefits of these harmful drugs.

a reply to: AlienBorg


Any interference with the healthy natural development of a human being is a criminal act against humanity.

Chemical castration should be a crime when pushed on children.

Plain and simple.

Our #1 anti-trans activist/crusader strikes again! Yay!

Stop politicizing private medical decisions between parents and doctors. If you children aren't trans then why do you feel the need to tell other parents how to raise their children?

One tiny not peer reviewed study with dubious conclusions does not refute decades of study. Although there may be some positive mental health benefits using puberty inhibitors simply by the fact a child may feel [i]something is being done to help and their situation is being addressed, one of their primary functions is to reduce or eliminate mental health from getting worse as a transgender child's fears of unwanted pubertal development is very real and can be quite terrifying.

There seems to be this notion that trans kids are the new cool kids celebrated by their peers for their bravery etc. but the fact is most don't feel safe in school, most report bullying and abuse and with the Republican party in the back pocket of Christian Nationalists and fundamental religious extremists now targeting trans youth to engage their voters because they aren't doing it with their policies, the faux culture war they have stoked by creating a moral panic has put kids and families in severe emotional and economic distress. Families and kids are being uprooted and forced to move to states that haven’t passed intrusive and overreaching laws. Grassroots organizations are now popping up to help families relocate and if people really cared about kids, they wouldn’t be putting them in this situation.

I have studied the trans phenomenon for decades. I have known multiple transgender people including several now in their mid 20s who had suppressed puberty and I can tell you that individually tailored age appropriate care for the treatment of gender dysphoria works and the benefits far outweigh the risks and it has my full support as well as every major medical organization in the country.

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Pu bertal Suppression for Transgender Youth and Risk of Suicidal Ideation

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Inside The Cottage Industry Of ‘Experts’ Paid To Defend Anti-Trans Laws

Doctors Agree: Gender-Affirming Care is Life-Saving Care

The new study has not been in a peer-reviewed journal yet. The authors say they felt there was an urgency in getting the information into the public domain

This study may never pass the peer review, let's wait and see shall we?

For a child who "deteriorated", it could mean moving from being psychologically well and not needing treatment for their mental health, to meeting criteria for a psychiatric diagnosis such as depression or anxiety. Whereas a child who "improved" could move from needing mental health treatment to being considered mentally well.

However, what neither the original research paper, nor the re-analysis, can do is tell us why these young people fared so differently.

It appears the re-analysis also can NOT explain the WHY, so it appears just the statistical percentages may change.

What is needed here is further clinical research with larger groups following the children-to-adult over longer periods of time, and the are doing that now, but the data is not out yet.

a reply to: AlienBorg

No evidence on benefits of these harmful drugs.

There is plenty, you just choose to be ignorant about it...

How's that denying of ignorance coming along?