Liberal Logic That Just Makes You Shake Your Head In Reply

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth

I wouldn't say it was invented on the left at all. Again, in the US I would be considered a moderate. Someone in the middle. Trump has proven to be extremely obnoxious, non professional, and was considered a clown on the world scale.

This statement is so incorrect it is nothing more than gaslighting. Every leader in the world wanted to have a picture with him, sit down with him, and talk. Huge gains in the Middle East, no new wars, Actually walked across to NK by himself. You seem to focus all on his bad Tweets and outside of the media and Woke liberals no one cares.

- Many MAGAs promote White Supremacy. Not all, but many

This is so BS that I think you must be on serious drugs to believe this. White Supremacy died out decades ago with maybe a few trailer park trash still thinking it to blame someone other than themselves for their own failures.

- Not respecting the results of a free and fair election. They tried to overthrow the peaceful transition of power. Doesn't matter how bitter you are, if your side loses, they lose. You'll get another chance in 4 years.
- They choose to ignore reality, facts and science. Climate change would be a great example.

Once again you are only looking at liberal talking points that are mostly wrong and very surface levels crap. You act like Trump has been the first to challenge an election, and do explain how the government was going to be overthrown by unarmed people walking around in the capital taking selfies for a few hours?

Countries need less extremism, not more, on both sides of the equation. Both sides need a lot more moderates to bring the county together. Extremism, again on both sides, only divides.

One word.... Trudeau

a reply to: Xtrozero

But I'm not wrong. Want to me to start listing times where Trump was laughed at by other world leaders? We recently spent a few weeks in the UK. Know what? They STILL hate him there. But if telling yourself that the world loved him, despite the evidence showing the contrary, that's your right.

Nothing to do with liberal talking points. He was responsible for his own actions and his own words. That's on him. He said the things I said he did. And no he definitely was not the 1st to challenge an election. But he was the first, to take it as far as he did, cause violence and broke how many laws? Sounds like quite a few at last count based on the indictments.

By the way, after ZERO evidence actually supported his theory, why didn't he back down? Because what is he now 0-87 in court cases to prove he was right about the elections.

Trudeau is far from an extremist. I don't think I'd vote for him again, he's done a few things I don't like. But to call him an extremist is laughable?

As for the truck drivers, they made their own decisions. Decisions come with consequences.

You don't like Trudeau for the simple reason that your idealogies don't align with the lefties. And for the record the Liberals are a middle of the road party. There are still 2 parties that are way left of the Libs here. But being a extreme right winger you hate him because he doesn't align with your beliefs.

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

Check out this link if you don't believe me. How the world views Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump.

pro.morningconsult.com...

a reply to: CanadianLoudMouth

You really should question polling.



...everytime.

Surveys conducted in October, November and December of 2022 among representative samples of 1,000 adults in each country, with unweighted margins of error of +/-3 percentage points.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth

I wouldn't say it was invented on the left at all. Again, in the US I would be considered a moderate. Someone in the middle. Trump has proven to be extremely obnoxious, non professional, and was considered a clown on the world scale.

This statement is so incorrect it is nothing more than gaslighting. Every leader in the world wanted to have a picture with him, sit down with him, and talk. Huge gains in the Middle East, no new wars, Actually walked across to NK by himself. You seem to focus all on his bad Tweets and outside of the media and Woke liberals no one cares.

- Many MAGAs promote White Supremacy. Not all, but many

This is so BS that I think you must be on serious drugs to believe this. White Supremacy died out decades ago with maybe a few trailer park trash still thinking it to blame someone other than themselves for their own failures.

- Not respecting the results of a free and fair election. They tried to overthrow the peaceful transition of power. Doesn't matter how bitter you are, if your side loses, they lose. You'll get another chance in 4 years.
- They choose to ignore reality, facts and science. Climate change would be a great example.

Once again you are only looking at liberal talking points that are mostly wrong and very surface levels crap. You act like Trump has been the first to challenge an election, and do explain how the government was going to be overthrown by unarmed people walking around in the capital taking selfies for a few hours?

Countries need less extremism, not more, on both sides of the equation. Both sides need a lot more moderates to bring the county together. Extremism, again on both sides, only divides.

One word.... Trudeau

if anything they
are just bigots.
like when white rich people see me.

i say, hey! i'm white too!
gimme your money or the dog dies.

lol.

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Xtrozero
There are hordes of people who are ready to jump
off a cliff if Trump survives the next year.

Yeah my retired parents said they would move to Canada if Trump got elected. They never moved to Canada

originally posted by: Threadbare
And yet the facts show that it's a very seldom used law.

Lying to ATF on gun-purchase form yields few prosecutions, data shows

Funny... So now that you scoffed at a crackhead lying on a federal form to get a weapon, explain why we need more gun control.

Please, use both sides of your mouth....

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth
a reply to: Xtrozero

But I'm not wrong. Want to me to start listing times where Trump was laughed at by other world leaders? We recently spent a few weeks in the UK. Know what? They STILL hate him there. But if telling yourself that the world loved him, despite the evidence showing the contrary, that's your right.

Nothing to do with liberal talking points. He was responsible for his own actions and his own words. That's on him. He said the things I said he did. And no he definitely was not the 1st to challenge an election. But he was the first, to take it as far as he did, cause violence and broke how many laws? Sounds like quite a few at last count based on the indictments.

By the way, after ZERO evidence actually supported his theory, why didn't he back down? Because what is he now 0-87 in court cases to prove he was right about the elections.

Trudeau is far from an extremist. I don't think I'd vote for him again, he's done a few things I don't like. But to call him an extremist is laughable?

As for the truck drivers, they made their own decisions. Decisions come with consequences.

You don't like Trudeau for the simple reason that your idealogies don't align with the lefties. And for the record the Liberals are a middle of the road party. There are still 2 parties that are way left of the Libs here. But being a extreme right winger you hate him because he doesn't align with your beliefs.

They? Who is 'they'? Our lefty media?

I don't 'love' Trump but I certainly don't hate him and I definitely respect how the guy ran the USA

Biden otoh?

Joke doesn't even come close, if you think the world was laughing at Trump, you have no idea

He's a total embarrassment

originally posted by: WraithOfEva777

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth
a reply to: Xtrozero

But I'm not wrong. Want to me to start listing times where Trump was laughed at by other world leaders? We recently spent a few weeks in the UK. Know what? They STILL hate him there. But if telling yourself that the world loved him, despite the evidence showing the contrary, that's your right.

Nothing to do with liberal talking points. He was responsible for his own actions and his own words. That's on him. He said the things I said he did. And no he definitely was not the 1st to challenge an election. But he was the first, to take it as far as he did, cause violence and broke how many laws? Sounds like quite a few at last count based on the indictments.

By the way, after ZERO evidence actually supported his theory, why didn't he back down? Because what is he now 0-87 in court cases to prove he was right about the elections.

Trudeau is far from an extremist. I don't think I'd vote for him again, he's done a few things I don't like. But to call him an extremist is laughable?

As for the truck drivers, they made their own decisions. Decisions come with consequences.

You don't like Trudeau for the simple reason that your idealogies don't align with the lefties. And for the record the Liberals are a middle of the road party. There are still 2 parties that are way left of the Libs here. But being a extreme right winger you hate him because he doesn't align with your beliefs.

They? Who is 'they'? Our lefty media?

I don't 'love' Trump but I certainly don't hate him and I definitely respect how the guy ran the USA

Biden otoh?

Joke doesn't even come close, if you think the world was laughing at Trump, you have no idea

He's a total embarrassment

Check the link I've already provided. The numbers show otherwise.

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth

But I'm not wrong. Want to me to start listing times where Trump was laughed at by other world leaders? We recently spent a few weeks in the UK. Know what? They STILL hate him there. But if telling yourself that the world loved him, despite the evidence showing the contrary, that's your right.

The circle you run in is narrow, you need to get out and get away from whatever US liberal BS you read. Trump was a hell of a lot more respected than Biden or Obama, so your point is not a point. I didn't say the world loved him, just saying they respected him way more than you say. The fact of the matter is even your own President pushed his way through a dozen leaders to get a handshake picture with him. Just stop it.

Nothing to do with liberal talking points. He was responsible for his own actions and his own words. That's on him. He said the things I said he did. And no he definitely was not the 1st to challenge an election. But he was the first, to take it as far as he did, cause violence and broke how many laws? Sounds like quite a few at last count based on the indictments.

Let's just say a billion laws... that's about how much it matters... If you cannot understand that the court system has turned into a political weapon then we have little to talk about.

Trudeau is far from an extremist. I don't think I'd vote for him again, he's done a few things I don't like. But to call him an extremist is laughable?

What was extremist about Trump? What did he do that was so extreme? Trudeau is a full-blown Authoritarian...

As for the truck drivers, they made their own decisions. Decisions come with consequences.

So you are a full-blown Authoritarian too, got it...

But being a extreme right winger you hate him because he doesn't align with your beliefs.

Why would I hate him? You should be hating his totalitarian rule. I really do not care, as you said... you voted him in so live with it.

I think we need to start seeing this as a media war that it clearly is.

If the alt-right is such a tiny group that arguably barely even exists, then it stands to reason that the same is probably true of this monolithic "left" you keep referring to.

The only reason things keep getting more and more divided, is because controversy drives ratings, and people like you accept it as truly representative of the way society really is. People on the left do this too. Now they have people making wild assumptions about BROAD SWATHES of the population. Just stop believing the media. When I talk to people IRL, most of them aren't like this. It's basically not real.
Political division is basically the new racism in this country.
The difference between "right" and "left" could be ONE ISSUE that you have a different opinion on.

a reply to: TheValeyard

So in your attempt to normalize DEEP corruption, you forgot to mention who is in power, what institutions they are running and where they are taking orders from.

...because it's clearly not we the people no matter how you wish to slice it.

Explain how I attempted to "normalize deep corruption", or forgot to mention who is in power, or insinuated that we the people were in control? You can't, because I didn't. It would just be word salad.

You are so deparate to write me off as your enemy because of one little buzzword, that it's crossed into actual psychosis.
You are not in reality right now, my friend. IDK where you are.

a reply to: JinMI

Want the uncomfortable truth?
Whichever Republican or Democrat candidate wins, was most likely pushed into power by the very same people.
That's why they want the pendulum to keep swinging back and forth.
It's a neverending loop of "problem, reaction, solution".

a reply to: JinMI

a reply to: TheValeyard

Explain how I attempted to "normalize deep corruption", or forgot to mention who is in power, or insinuated that we the people were in control? You can't, because I didn't. It would just be word salad.

But I can, because you did:

If the alt-right is such a tiny group that arguably barely even exists, then it stands to reason that the same is probably true of this monolithic "left" you keep referring to.

You can try to compare and contrast all day, doesn't make what I said not true because the power dynamic is clearly visible and being utilized.

You are so deparate to write me off as your enemy because of one little buzzword, that it's crossed into actual psychosis.
You are not in reality right now, my friend. IDK where you are.

Enemy? I don't even know you.

Yet you seem to assign all these things to me without knowing me, so I can chalk that up to sheer projection...

So your claim was that me saying that the extremist political groups "alt-right" and "far left" are actually pretty small, is "normalizing deep corruption", then that's still an error in my view. Probably time to look at some statistics. That's on you though.

Where's the control? You trying to say democrats have an unfair amount of control?
Idk. Maybe. Wait a few years, and they'll be saying the same thing about republicans.
SENATE MAJORITY IS REPUBLICAN. House is majority Democrat. The president is (D) but many argue that the senate has more functional power than congress. What, is Biden just going round signing executive orders left and right? LOL. Well he isn't.

Power dynamic? CNN says Fox has a Republican bias. Dude, just calm down.
I was just trying to caution you and others to try not to be so divisive.
That shouldn't be contentious.


a reply to: JinMI

a reply to: TheValeyard

SENATE MAJORITY IS REPUBLICAN. House is majority Democrat

No....no it's not.

Also:

As of September 18, 2023, President Joe Biden (D) had signed 121 executive orders, 154 presidential memoranda, 484 proclamations, and 99 notices.

Link

I guess I know how to treat your opinions going forward....


Welcome to ATS>

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: TheValeyard

SENATE MAJORITY IS REPUBLICAN. House is majority Democrat

No....no it's not.

Also:

As of September 18, 2023, President Joe Biden (D) had signed 121 executive orders, 154 presidential memoranda, 484 proclamations, and 99 notices.

Link

I guess I know how to treat your opinions going forward....


Welcome to ATS>

It’s amazing how some people talk so much and know so little.

originally posted by: TheValeyard

You are so deparate to write me off as your enemy because of one little buzzword, that it's crossed into actual psychosis.
You are not in reality right now, my friend. IDK where you are.

Actions speak louder than words right, so which side is pushing all the action? If the left wasn't so damn extreme in all these actions the right would not be pushing back.

How do you heal when the left doesn't want to heal and just wants to win at all costs?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: CanadianLoudMouth

But I'm not wrong. Want to me to start listing times where Trump was laughed at by other world leaders? We recently spent a few weeks in the UK. Know what? They STILL hate him there. But if telling yourself that the world loved him, despite the evidence showing the contrary, that's your right.

The circle you run in is narrow, you need to get out and get away from whatever US liberal BS you read. Trump was a hell of a lot more respected than Biden or Obama, so your point is not a point. I didn't say the world loved him, just saying they respected him way more than you say. The fact of the matter is even your own President pushed his way through a dozen leaders to get a handshake picture with him. Just stop it.

Nothing to do with liberal talking points. He was responsible for his own actions and his own words. That's on him. He said the things I said he did. And no he definitely was not the 1st to challenge an election. But he was the first, to take it as far as he did, cause violence and broke how many laws? Sounds like quite a few at last count based on the indictments.

Let's just say a billion laws... that's about how much it matters... If you cannot understand that the court system has turned into a political weapon then we have little to talk about.

Trudeau is far from an extremist. I don't think I'd vote for him again, he's done a few things I don't like. But to call him an extremist is laughable?

What was extremist about Trump? What did he do that was so extreme? Trudeau is a full-blown Authoritarian...

As for the truck drivers, they made their own decisions. Decisions come with consequences.

So you are a full-blown Authoritarian too, got it...

But being a extreme right winger you hate him because he doesn't align with your beliefs.

Why would I hate him? You should be hating his totalitarian rule. I really do not care, as you said... you voted him in so live with it.

I read news from multiple sources always trying to see both sides of a story. Both left and right new sources.

As much as you try and convince yourself, the numbers say otherwise. If you start looking into who was more liked.....both Obama and Biden rank way above Trump. I'm sorry but unless you can produce some data showing your side, it's simply not true. Most Europeans still hate Trump, and he's been out of office for 2 years now. Latest data from the UK (yes I know not the entire EU) shows that only 19% of people have a favourable opinion of him. Obama, on the other hand had a 67% favourable rating across the entire EU when he left office. So, unless you have data, you are simply trying to convince yourself of something that simply does not line with reality.

Courts turned into a political weapon - this is literally the excuse everyone uses when courts do not agree with their opinions.

As much as I won't be voting for Trudeau again, he is far from an authoritarian. People have always had the right to choose. Even the truck drivers. They just couldn't accept the consequences. You ALWAYS have the freedom to choose. That does not give you freedom from consequence.