Evidence of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes

a reply to: JinMI

How exactly does quoting a member of Poroshenko's administration change the fact that the EU was considering withholding over a billion dollars from Ukraine because they were worried about corruption related to Shokin over a month before Biden's visit?

a reply to: ElitePlebeian

Yes. He brought classified information to the table. Information he gained from working at the White House.

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: JinMI

How exactly does quoting a member of Poroshenko's administration change the fact that the EU was considering withholding over a billion dollars from Ukraine because they were worried about corruption related to Shokin over a month before Biden's visit?

Do you see it?

Can you even see it?

Lets break this down.

See the question I have is can you show me international efforts to remove Shokin, as that is the MSM talking point used to justify Joes CFR video of the quid pro quo.

You keep posting things originating in Ukraine over the contention around Shokins office and decision. Not Shokins firing itself.


If you hold this belief, why is it so hard for you to source it?

Joe is a pile of crap
As are his supporters

a reply to: JinMI

The EU Spokesperson and the EU Ambassadoe to Ukraine are both Ukrainian?

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: burntheships

Schumer was just on the news saying the Republicans are making this all up. I'm LMAO!

The bamn people have no shame

originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: JinMI

The EU Spokesperson and the EU Ambassadoe to Ukraine are both Ukrainian?

Where does it say they wished to have Shokin fired again?


Ffs.

Why is this so hard for you?

Arent you even a little concerned that this position you hold is so hard for you to source?

a reply to: JinMI

Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015

en.wikipedia.org...

FEBRUARY 10 2016
Christine Lagarde, the IMF’s managing director, said on Wednesday that Ukraine needed to make a “substantial new effort” to invigorate reforms, warning that without such a push “it is hard to see how [a $40bn IMF-led rescue of the economy] can continue and be successful”.

www.ft.com...

Shokin had tendered his resignation on February 16 after President Petro Poroshenko asked him and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk to step down.

www.rferl.org...

Do you see it yet?
Sounds to me like Christine Lagarde told Poroshenko, "Nice little country you have there, I sure hope you can keep it."

FLASHBACK

Leaked Tape in 2014 Showed State Department’s Victoria Nuland Saying “F*** the EU” then Plotting Ukraine Coup Using Biden’s Help

Victoria Nuland is currently serving as Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs in the Biden – Obama Administration but she was with the State Department under Obama as well. She was instrumental in the affairs in Ukraine at that time. We’ve written about Nuland in the past, especially when it relates to Ukraine. Recently when Nuland was before the Senate no one asked her about her past actions with the Obama gang.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

That talking point just doesn't add up when compared to
the actual facts. It was known at the time that Hunter Biden
role with Burisma was actually hindering anti corruption efforts.

One email, written on Nov. 22, 2016, by former U.S. embassy official George Kent, was particularly chilling. It directly contradicted mainstream media reports in 2020 and public testimony by U.S. officials that “insisted Hunter Biden’s lucrative job with the allegedly corrupt Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings … had no impact on U.S. efforts to fight corruption in that country.”

Reality:

State Department officials in Ukraine told Washington “that Hunter Biden’s business dealings in Ukraine ‘undercut’ U.S. efforts to fight corruption in the former Soviet republic.”

Kent included this guidance: “The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine.”

Kent added: “Ukrainians heard one message from us and then saw another set of behavior, with the (Biden) family association with a known corrupt figure whose company was known for not playing by the rules in the oil/gas sector.”

Hunter Biden’s blatant corruption and hypocrisy had and still have real world strategic and national security costs. If defending Ukraine is a U.S. security interest, American participation in corruption undermines our security efforts. Hunter Biden was hindering Ukraine’s warfighting and corruption-fighting effort.

“The real issue to my mind was that someone in Washington needed to engage VP Biden quietly and say that his son Hunter’s presence on the Burisma board undercut the anti-corruption message the VP and we were advancing in Ukraine.”

This is not a conspiracy theory. The Kent email is a fact that was hidden from the American people and is still ignored by benighted and politically corrupted media.

Second Source:

career State Department official, George Kent, has described Zlochevsky as an “odious oligarch.” He testified that a top Ukrainian official told him of a $7 million bribe Zlochevsky allegedly paid to other Ukrainian officials in 2014 to end a corruption inquiry, according to a report by Senate Republicans. But Kent testified to congressional investigators during the Democratic-led 2019 impeachment inquiry that he was rebuffed by the vice president’s office when he tried to raise concerns that Hunter Biden’s hiring could be seen as influence-buying.

www.politico.com...

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I didn't see Shokins name in Leguarde's statement....


Why can't you find a single source for this closely held belief???

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Third source.

Key Findings

In early 2015 the former Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, Ukraine, George Kent, raised concerns to officials in Vice President Joe Biden’s office about the perception of a conflict of interest with respect to Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board. Kent’s concerns went unaddressed, and in September 2016, he emphasized in an email to his colleagues,

“Furthermore, the presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board was very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”  In October 2015, senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board enabled Russian disinformation efforts and risked undermining U.S. policy in Ukraine.

www.hsgac.senate.gov...

So it seems that all along, several knowledgeable people
in The State Department were concerned that Hunter Biden
was actually contributing to the corruption, and he was
hindering the efforts, and undermining U.S. policy.

This isn't new news, just news that was buried.
So then if makes perfect sense to see Joe Biden's
direct hand in Shokin's firing.

"I have said repeatedly in my previous interviews that [then-Ukrainian President Petro] Poroshenko fired me at the insistence of the then-Vice President Biden because I was investigating Burisma," Shokin said during an interview with Fox News' Brian Kilmeade.


"[Poroshenko] understood — and so did Vice President Biden — that had I continued to oversee the Burisma investigation, we would have found the facts about the corrupt activities that they were engaging in. That included both Hunter Biden and Devon Archer and others."

www.foxnews.com...

No way around it. Shokin was investigating Burisma,
and there were already concerns within the State
Department that Hunter Biden's paid position in
Burisma was a conflict of U.S. Policy.

a reply to: burntheships

So it seems that all along, several knowledgeable people
in The State Department were concerned that Hunter Biden
was actually contributing to the corruption

That's not what your quote says though. It doesn't say anything about suspicions of Hunter or VP Biden contributing to the corruption.

senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board enabled Russian disinformation efforts and risked undermining U.S. policy in Ukraine.

Well, that certainly turned out to be true!

No way around it. Shokin was investigating Burisma,

So says Shokin...LOL The guy that got sacked for NOT prosecuting corruption, the guy that the international community whose corruption they said was so concerning they were threatening to withhold all that money!

Shokin's words are worthless.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Lets pretend you're right. I mean R E A L L Y pretend.


So Shokin is corrupt, gets axed because the rest of the world says so. Then what?

Burisma/Z gets investigated, arraigned, charged and convicted...right? RIGHT?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If it was a DMV test you would fail.

Selectivly skipping the context of the
articles and reports.

Those are official reports Sookie, not just opinions.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I didn't see Shokins name in Leguarde's statement....


Why can't you find a single source for this closely held belief???

And, only 6 days after her message to Poroshenko, and voilà Poroshenko has his resignation!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Sookiechacha

I didn't see Shokins name in Leguarde's statement....


Why can't you find a single source for this closely held belief???

And, only 6 days after her message to Poroshenko, and voilà Poroshenko has his resignation!

I don't know who you are talking to but it's not to me.

I asked specifically for this international effort to fire Shokin.

So far, you and others have provided zero, although you have tried.


I understand, as it doesn't exist, the likelyhood of this happening. So, why do you still believe it?

a reply to: JinMI

Then what?

Burisma/Z gets investigated, arraigned, charged and convicted...right? RIGHT

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

www.reuters.com...

a reply to: JinMI

I asked specifically for this international effort to fire Shokin.

I've sourced that for ya. But you don't like mainstream sources.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

HAHAHAHAHHA!!!


Why do you think they hired Hunter!~


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Lap it up Sookie, keep lapping it up.


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